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December 24, 2006, 4:44 am PST

Self-Loathing/ Controlling Bully

I was in a workplace bullying situation several months ago.  What I came to realize about this individual is that he was self-loathing, manipulative, controlling, and a know-it-all. I started to get fed up with his work habits and I started to argue back with him.  Well what I figured out is that it is probably the worst thing to argue with a self-loathing individual because they are the kind of people who like to place blame on others and if you argue with them they will see themselves as the victim and you as the perpetrator and they will hold whatever issue you have with them against you.  I ended up yelling at my bully and almost getting into a physical altercation with him because he just wouldn't leave me alone.  After this incident, I walked out on the job.  I realize now that walking out on the job was probably the worse thing that I could have done because it gave the bully ample oppurtunity to say whatever he wanted to about me to other employees and people in management.

 
December 24, 2006, 5:14 am PST

I wrote a letter like this...

Quote From: preraph

I'm going to share with you a letter that I wrote complaining about a bully.  I'm changing all the names.  Now, this was a big company with proper rules in place to deal with this sort of thing, but it all depends on who you have to report to.  The person I wrote the letter to was then my supervisor, and I can tell you he was not happy I wrote it and didn't follow up to tell me what, if anything, would be done.  Me and my partner, who is the one I call Andy, tape-recorded the meeting with him, also.  You should know that one thing that made me so mad about this Rainman incident was that my partner Andy actually was sort of slow, so there wasn't one thing funny about the bully's comments.  While my supervisor did as little as possible and no changes were made, he soon left the company and as fate would have it, the bully's supervisor became my boss.  I believe it was at that time that something was done about it, but I was never sure why, if he just then saw the complaint or if he met me and knew I wasn't a wingnut.  At any rate, they kept the Bully away from me entirely for a full year and I believe they probably sent him to anger management, because he never hardly spoke with me again, which was fine with me.  They didn't, however, fire him, which is stupid.  Anyway, the letter is self explanatory. 

  

Dear Supervisor, 

  

 

          I have a serious problem with Technician "Napoleon Complex" which I think you should know about since it undoubtedly either has affected other first-line staff or will affect them in the future. 

          I remember that during our training, you told us that basically the technicians were not under your control and to be nice to them.  That is why I haven’t spoken up until now about this problem, but I feel must say something now because I don’t think anyone should be expected to put up with this sort of behavior.  I can’t imagine why a respectable institution such as Bank Delux has tolerated his behavior this long. 

          To sum it up, Napoleon has an anger-management problem.  He frequently gets very angry and yells loudly at myself and my partner Andy.  During his yelling episodes, he gets up in your face, makes very insulting comments in a nonhumorous tone, slams things around,  goes on prolonged personal philosophical tirades about “harnassing the power,” and sometimes outright lies.  If you don’t bow down right away and hang your head in submission, his tirade escalates.  After the first couple of episodes of this behavior, I made some discreet inquiries and found out that Napoleon has a reputation for his anger and was told that his anger has turned to violence in the past.  His bad temper is common knowledge. 

A few weeks ago, Napoleon was showing us how to do something, and as he lectured while we stood quietly listening, his anger escalated until he was yelling and waving his arms around and finally said in a very nasty tone, “I guess I’m going to have to get a chalk board and draw you two a picture.”  We were fairly new at that point and admittedly didn’t  know everything.  However, I remember his nasty insult coming out of the blue, unprovoked by any physical or verbal action on our part.  It was just the comment that ended his tirade, and I felt that we had very little to do with it at all.   

Napoleon routinely yells that he has shown us a certain procedure before.  Sometimes he has, and sometimes he hasn’t at all.  I will say that when Napoleon is “explaining” procedures while yelling and displaying his anger and hurling insults, it is very difficult to concentrate on what he’s saying because his behavior is so overwhelming and out of context compared to the subject matter. 

April 5, we arrived at #111 on a printer default.  Upon arrival, I noticed that one of the printer covers was lying loose in the machine, as well as two of the four screws from the printer head cover.  We worked on clearing the jam and got it to run a few receipts, but it broke again, at which time we disassembled it, put it back together and tried it again; but it still jammed.  We cleared the jams again, put the printer mask back on as a last-ditch effort, knowing it would probably not stay, and then I went inside the branch to answer a page.  When I returned, Andy had tried to run the printer and it was again jammed up and Napoleon had arrived to work on another machine inside the branch.   

I told him about the printer cover and screws being off.  He told us we knocked it off and that’s why the machine was jamming.  I told him that wasn’t true, that it was off when we arrived (and of course, the machine was already jamming before we were paged out on it, so it was a ridiculous accusation anyway).  Napoleon went on an at least 30-minute tirade about us not knowing how to clear a printer jam.  He went through the steps again, yelling the entire time.  He forbade me to agree with him as he was yelling by saying “uh-huh,” “okay,” or “right,” which I was only doing to let him know I was listening, like anyone would do, and also in hopes that knowing I was listening would calm him down.  He made a lot of personally insulting remarks about my saying “okay” and “right,” such as “See, your partner here is standing there nodding her head and saying yeah, okay, but she’s obviously not listening because I’ve shown you both how to do this a million times.”  Then, still yelling, he launched into what can only be called a strange philosophical tirade about harnassing power, which seemed basically to serve to illustrate that he had harnassed it and we hadn’t.  As I say, this episode went on for quite some time.  At some point during his loud critique of our abilities, he referred to us as “Rainman,”  the idiot savant from the movie “Rainman.”  It was not done in a joking tone.  It was in the context of  “y’all stand there like Rainman…” 

During this incident, I simply stood quietly and agreed with him when possible and until I was told to quit and had offered the information about the printer cover and screws.  When he said we had broken the printer by knocking off the printer cover, I did tell him that was not true.  Andy was very quiet. 

During Napoleon's “demonstration,” he did not do anything to the printer that we hadn’t done prior to his arrival, although there’s no contest that he did it better and faster.  Afterwards, I phoned to put us in travel for our next call.  Napoleon told us to stay there and help him work on the machine inside.  About 30 minutes later, while we were working on it, 111’s printer jammed again and Napoleon's Toadie [a different tech who sucked up to Napoleon arrived to work on it.  Napoleon told Toadie that I had gone and knocked the printer cover off after me twice telling him it was like that upon arrival.  It was about 1700 when I left 111.  A little after 1800, 111 was paged out again on the same printer fault.  It had jammed again.  Toadie said he didn’t know what was wrong with it, that he needed to replace the printer.  We were yelled at and insulted by Napoleon for 30 minutes about not fixing a printer that neither of the techs were able to fix either. 

In addition to these incidents with me (and other less dramatic but still uncalled-for behavior), I have twice seen Napoleon be confrontational with bank customers wanting inside the branch after hours, telling them in pointed or curt tones that the bank was closed when no face-to-face interaction was necessary.  

I know Bank Delux needs technicians and that they certainly need an experienced tech a lot worse than they need me, but I can’t help but think that they would have better luck hanging onto its first-line people if they weren’t asked to submit and tolerate Napoleon’s reprehensible conduct.  In my 30 years of work experience, I have never worked anywhere that condoned this sort of behavior.  I have witnessed an isolated outburst or two in my years (everyone has a bad day every now and then), but never have I seen any company ask employees to tolerate verbal abuse on an ongoing basis.   

I was hoping that someone else would speak up about this before I felt I had to so that I wouldn’t be perceived as a complainer, but this situation is so extreme that I don’t feel I should try to wait it out.  I am simply unwilling to quietly subject myself to another day of bullying.    

I have provided extra copies of this letter for you to distribute to Napoleon’s supervisor and other appropriate personnel.  Please advise me of what actions you will take or any further action you need for me to take to resolve this matter.  Don’t ask me to confront Napoleon on these issues outside the presence of you or some other supervisor because he is too out of control.  Sorry to trouble you with this unpleasant business. 

  

 

  

to my former employer about my bully.  I ended up walking out on the job because of the bully and off course he stayed. I ended up writing the letter because I couldn't stop thinking about the incidences that had happened between myself and the bully.  The only problem is that I wish that I had been as detailed as you were in your letter.  I described some instances which had occured but after I had mailed the letter, I realized that I should have written more.
 
January 12, 2007, 8:56 pm PST

Don't Debate...Just Document

Quote From: squid_ling

Well done for speaking out. I have been in similar situations and spoke out too which is so difficult. It seems this kind of behaviour happens in the workplace wherever in the world you are. I worked in the UK and it happened there and it seems crazy to let it slide.

 

Of course the best thing I ever did was to get a much better nicer job with wonderful people who have integrity and are considerate and fun loving. My new job is working for ( would you believe it ) an investment bank which is the most supportive and wonderful environment for me. I have learnt so much more in this role and it is because I am not constantly worried about being beaten up emotionally. I find people can't believe that I would ever have been bullied and make a point of explaining to others who might be looking for work not to work for company X which I found so terrible.  Word of mouth spreads, there is another girl who works for my new company who also quit under similar circumstances at the same place because of bullying. These things do eventually get found out.

 

I hope everyone else on the site finds a good role and a culture where tolerance and diversity are evident. Some people might want to take legal action but I just wanted to walk away and get my life back which I now have, I know now when I interview with someone that I need to ask lots more questions and DO! Good luck everyone and stay strong. Everyone has individual talents and skills which can be brought out if they work in the right place.

Yeah I spoke out but not in the right way.  Thats what I have been finding out since doing research on workplace bullying.  I am the kind of person who will say something and I end up looking like the villain in the process.   And the worst thing to do in a confrontation is to use "you" statements instead of "I" statements because it puts the person on the defensive and makes them look like the victim.  What I really should have done was just kept my mouth shut and started to document all of this individual's behavior instead of getting into a heated debate with him.  Never get into a debate with a bully because they will try to make you feel guilty for pointing their behavior out to them.  Especially the narcissistic and self-loathing types. Just document, documet, document. 
 
April 27, 2007, 4:57 pm PDT

Been in what I consider an Obsessive Relationship

The relationship I was in was just a working relationship  not a romantic one.  It was between myself and a guy at work.  At first our working relationship was good but after awhile I realized that there was something off about him.  I started to observe his behavior and personality traits and I realized that he was "creepy" and "controlling" on the job but in subtle, hard to spot ways, which is more often the case than overtly controlling behavior.  This guy seemed like he was fixated on me because I was always nice to him and never really contradicted him.  He sort of idealized me until it got to the point where I just didn't want to deal with him anymore. One of the warning signs about this individual was his nervousness and anxiety issues.  Sure everyone has feelings and emotions, but this guy's emotions just seemed strange and inappropriate for the working environment.  I also realized that he didn't have any control in his own life so when he came to work, he wanted to be in control but he achieved that kind of control in underhanded ways, which most people would fail to recognize.  As soon as Dr. Phil described Jeffrey as a person who is riddled with anxiety, I thought about this individual at my former workplace. 

 
October 3, 2007, 4:39 pm PDT

My mother and I don't get along

Whenever I see the shows about mothers and daughters who don't get along, I feel like I am watching my own story sometimes.  I don't get along with my mother all that well. We didn't get along even when I was very young.  My mother had me when she was in her late teens and she has always been an abusive parent.  When I was younger, she would physically and verbally abuse me even when I was into my late teens. I didn't even have anyone I could talk to because my father was hardly around and other family members have an old school mentality about parenting so they didn't grasp the fact that my mother was abusing me even though by all standards, she was.  I don't agree wth people who say that parents should be respeced regardless of how they have treated their children. No way do I agree with that. Some people lose their right to have respect by being abusive. Yeah,the child of an abusive parent may forgive but that doesn't mean that they should keep the abusive parent in their life.  I am 24 years old and I hardly speak to my mother because it's impossible to have a meaningful conversation with her.  She demands to be heard so it just ends up being a one way conversation with her telling me how I should live my life.  I figured at this age that maybe it would be more open communication but she always has to be in control and she is very impatient which is one of the reasons why she is so abusive.  I live a good distance away from her now so we mainly keep in touch by phone, but the communciation is limited and I end up telling her what she wants to hear so that I wont have to listen to her berate me.  My sister has a much better relationship with her but my mother truly adores my brother, who is the youngest
 
February 14, 2008, 2:07 pm PST

Severe Case of Narcissism

It's clear that this guy has a severe, pathological case of Narcissism.  He will do and say anything to put himself in a good light.  He really does believe the lies that he tells, the story about his educational background and his wealth, says it all.  Even when Dr. Phil called him out on it, he was stll trying to lie because it didn't matter to him.  The guy is a nutcase and I can see why his wife was so emotional. Anyone would be overly emotional when having to deal with someone like him, because it makes a sane person feel like they are going to go crazy.  And you can never say anything to stand up to them since they are never in the wrong about anything.  Even the guy's mother said that his father wasn't dead, as he had claimed, and the guy still didn't back down from that position.  It is a wonder how Dr. Phil kept his composure through it all.  It definately is scary to be around someone like this guy because they are master manipulators and they like to play on people's sympathy as well.  He has his friends fooled into thinking that he is basically on his last breath.  Give me a break.  And they seem like they are still likely to believe him even though Dr. Phil basically uncovered that he is lying about alot of stuff.
 
February 15, 2008, 3:35 pm PST

The Couple is Very Stubborn, Unwilling to Change

I was very angry while viewing this episode of the show. I mean, anyone could tell that this guy is not in a right frame of mind. They have seven kids to raise and you mean to tell me, that he has not yet realized that he needs to stop with the entrepreneurial stuff and actually get a stable job, that pays a weekly paycheck. He could get a job at a fast food joint, as long as he has a job. It's not even like he has a huge mortgage to pay every month. An 800 dollar mortgage is what most people would hope for. A job that pays atleast 8.00 an hour could atleast get them by with the mortgage until he finds a job that pays more. But he isn't interested in doing that. What he wants to do is do everything his own way and defend himself against whatever he considers to be a personal attack against his choices and beliefs. He hasn't been succesful in almost any of his business ventures and when Dr. Phil points this out to him, instead of realizing that, he says that he might not have been succesful recently, but way back in 1988, he had a succesful business. Well, 1988 isn't 2008 buddy and you haven't made a decent income in quite a few years. And the worst thing is that even after knowing how their financial state is, they still are having more kids. The mother is a stay-at-home mom, but she could have easily gone out to try to find a job. At first I thought that they didn't beleive in women working, but at one point I beleive Dr. Phil asked her if she was going to work at some point and I think she said yes. She could have tried to find a decent job before having this latest baby. I mean she has a degree in Communications, which means that she could be a professional right now. But off course they weren't thinking of that, instead she is counting on her husband to get them out of this situation. And then when her mother and step-father are trying to show their concern, she makes it out to be like they are judging her family harshly. Well maybe you do need to be judged so that you can start making different decisions. Sometimes people judge you when they see you acting like a fool. I mean off course your parents are going to be worried about your financial stability, specifically because there are kids involved. If it was just him and her and there were no kids, then that would be a different story. I actually hope that the kids do get taken away because the standard at which they are living would be considered neglectful and abandonment in a way. And off course these people have to know that their kids aren't happy with the living conditions. Having no heat and no hot water would make anyone miserable. I remember at one point, my parents were going through hard times and they couldnt afford to pay for oil, so we didn't have hot water for about a month. And that was torture enough. We had to heat up water in cooking pots and then pour it into the tub. That wasn't exactly fun, especially on those mornings when you wake up and the house is freezing and you want to be able to atleast take a nice hot bath. So I definately feel sorry for these kids who are going through alot worse than I ever experienced.  


 

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