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January 10, 2009, 7:28 am PST

Excited, Suprised! Exgay on Dr. Phil!

I'm so happy to see Dr. Nicolosi and Stanton on the Dr. Phil show. I can't wait to see this. I'm not sure how it will go because typically, popular opinion is against exgays.  But I'm here to show my support. I hope that the prejudices against exgays and those of us who know that change is indeed possible aren't disrespected just because it is not a popular view these days.

I discovered reorientation therapy in 2003 and it has changed my life. I'm so much happier than i was before. I feel that I'm growing into my manhood.  It is such a relief especially when you have supportive friends to help you on the journey!  For those who want to pursue an "alternative lifestyle" that is their decision, but don't forget to support exgays as well. We do exist and we are not going away! If you support diversity, then support exgays too.

No amount of lies by opponents that exgays are not real will make change, for at least some, any less possible!  Change is possible. I have witnessed it in my own life!  Some say we are just bisexual. But taht is not true! During all my youth i was never attracted to females!

We are NOT stupid! We know who we are, and we know we have changed.  It is so distressing to listen to someone try to convince us that we've not changed. It is like someone trying to convince you that you are insane or crazy!  How would you like for someone to talk to you like that? We come from all walks of life. Some exgays are doctors, lawyers, etc. I'm a computer programmer for over 8 years now.

True some opponents feel that exgays are an insult to them.  I don't deny what i believe to be the truth about homosexuality. Yet if a person wants to pursue a particular way of life, that is his wish but please don't stop people who want change.

Though the previews weren't welcoming. i hope the overall show is more respectful than what I've seen in the past.  Best wishes!

(I am not in any way implying that people choose to be gay. That is another insult and it is a misapplication of what exgays believe and stand for. People don't choose to have homosexual inclinations. He can and does choose afterwards what type of life he will live and whether or not he will at least pursue a change in those inclinations. Exgays choose to change not only their behavior but also their inclinations!  Many of us succeed.  Some don't. But that is the same as with anything a person battles with. Ex-ex-gays prove that ex-gays are false just as much as ex-ex-smoker, who tried to quit but began smoking again, prove that ex-smokers are fake. Exgays exist and we are not going away!)

My hope is that this show will open the doorway for more RESPECTFUL discussion.
 
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January 12, 2009, 8:32 pm PST

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cash8812, I do applaud your support and open-mindedness. I can see that this is a difficult thing to do. It is certainly delicate. People are not lab rats and should not be treated as such. I know from my own problem that anything that is done the person has to be willing to go along with it. It can only be harmful if a person is forced. All that person sees adn feels is rejection and a lack of love.  One can offer suggestions and if he is willing to go along with it fine.  But after a certain age, there simply isn't much that can be done unless he is willing to.


Nevertheless, the idea of years of hormone treatment and body mutilation is not pleasant to watch either. Honest, LOVING discusses are the best options once a person reaches a certain age.

I wish you and your family the best!
 
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January 12, 2009, 8:56 pm PST

01/13 Little Boy Lost


fringold, I understand that you don't see the correlation. Yet, i do feel that same-sex or same-gender attraction is a mild form of gender identity disorder (GID). It is not as obvious but from my own experience I know for a fact there are mild similarities. In fact many of  us believe that can be an extreme form of SSA. 

I'll tell you my own story.  I've always identified as a boy as far as i know. But I've aways felt estranged from boys. I never really understood them either.  I spent a lot of time with girls and identified and felt more comfortable with girls. Many guys with ssa feel the same. Some are so engaged with girls that they take on more and more of their mannerisms. During my teen years, I rejected my whole body. True everyone feels skirmish about their bodies.  Like Peter Pan i did not want to grow up! I didnt  want to become a man!  I found men shameful, disgusting and inferior. Thus i was rejecting my own gender. I had a sarcastic remark about anything manly. I had no respect for it. It could be as small as giving each other a Hi-5!

I'm 30 now and I've been spending the last few years of my life repairing misconceptions, shame, wounds and barriers i have towards myself and my gender. It has really taken a lot of work.

I don't know a whole lot about GID. Fortunately i don't have it. But I feel that I'm just on the more masculine side of the spectrum.  There are many guys who lie much closer to GID than i do who still identify as men. Then you have those who did not when htey were younger, but later gradually adapted to their gender. Not all people with
GID stay that way.

Lesbianism is different from male homosexuality, yet there are many similarities. Someof the same principles apply just slightly different in some cases.

Best wishes.
 
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January 13, 2009, 9:15 pm PST

Homosexual CAN CHANGE!!!! I am PROOF!

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I am so disappointed and outraged when watching this show! I AM SORRY BUT HOMOSEXUALITY CANT BE CURED!!!! Yes I AM TRANSGENDER! YES I AM DIFFERENT!...But you know what America? Everyone is different...If this world was ALL the same boring people, how would life be fun!? America, I am sadden by your disgrace to your fellow human friends. Weren't you ever taught, "TO TREAT PEOPLE THE WAY YOU WANT TO BE TREATED", No matter if you are BLACK or WHITE...GAY or TRANSGENDERED! EVERYONE is taught certain moral and life treatments to others (and theirselfs.)

Get a clue! If I am TRANSGENDERED---WHAT DOES IT MATTER TO YOU!!!??? [99% of people on this board will never see me, talk to me or will ever experience knowing me in the real life world. Seriously...What is it to any of you. I want to be me! Let me be me...And let you be you! Like the phrase goes , "You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink".

I am not racist
---Mean or disgraceful to this but you can let the U.S. have an African American Elect-President? But you can't let GAYS/LESBIANS and TRANSGENDERS get married!? Wow...I love the president and I love him even more that he has respect for us non-"normal" people.
America! Also get a clue I am NOT TRANSGENDERED! There should NEVER be a word TRANSGENDERD! 

...You know why? Because I am nothing less then a woman! I am a woman...And you cannot put me in any term to try to cover me up! Let the world shine! Don't let America try to throw you to the side and blanket you to make you invisble! Cause coming out proud and strong will perish those who dare go against their other human beings...

God said in a phrase
, "There will ALWAYS be war", well guess what America? There will be war...Non-violent but still none the less a war! A heavy one that is worth fighting for! Never give in---Never give up!

To those other human beings who are not one of "us"
or as others try to call us, "Its", "Trannys", "Things", "Monsters", "Creatures" and other vulgar terms...But yet still love, care and shine for us...we love you and respect you for that!

Finally, America...Like another phrase goes, "Try living in another persons shoes, before you judge them", what if "hetrosexuality" was "not normal", "bad", "a sin" and other nasty terms---And being what people call, "gay", "lesbian, "bisexual" and "transsexuals", that being any of those four as normal but a man and a woman was not "normal".

You wouldn't like that! YOU wouldn't want that to happen to you---YOU! Would think that is unfair and fight for what you think is right---So instead of judging others and damaging them...how about living in their shoes for a change and get a taste of your own meds, we got to take EVERY SINGLE DAY OF OUR LIFES! EVERY SECOND! OF EVERY MOMENT! OF EVERY BREATH! OF EVERY YEAR! OF OUR LIFES!

...Try it see how you feel!

I understand your position. I respect your viewpoint but I don't know about this statement "homosexuality can't be cured!" 

I'm an exgay. I've had success with change. Simply because you've never met others who have changed doesn't mean change is impossible.

I'm an exgay. I have changed!  These issues are very complicated.They do require more than a simple explanation. But just because they can't be explained in simple sound bites doesn't mean they are not valid or REAL!

Believe me, i understand your frustration. But you can't speak for the whole race of people just like i can't. 
 
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January 13, 2009, 9:19 pm PST

Whatever!

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Yes. Its well established that conversion therapy is an utter failure and hurts its victims.


It is WELL ESTABLISHED??? SINCE WHEN???? Yes there is prejudices against change therapy but your comments can't be substantiated.  I'm a so-called VICTIM!  And I LOVE NICOLOSI!  He changed my life!
 
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January 13, 2009, 9:36 pm PST

Thanks for this comment!

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I have 3 girls.  About 18 months ago my youngest daughter (age 3) said she would grow up one day and be a daddy instead of a mommy.  She only played with "boy" things.  After hearing Dr. Nicolosi on a radio program, I read his book, "A  Parents Guide to Preventing Homosexuality".  I realized this was not a "defect" in my child, but an error in my parenting.  It has been a year since we started implementing the things Dr. Nicolosi suggested and I am so pleased with the results.  I love my daughter unconditionally and  I know the best for her is to be all that God designed her to be.   If your child struggles with GID, please read Dr. Nicolosi's book!

I am so shocked at how closed minded people are about change. They have allowed TV to tell them what to think. I appreciate your comments. I too have been greatly helped by Dr. Nicolosi. These people sling their insults around at Nicolosi as if they are BONAFIDE FACT! THere are many people who have changed! I too read this book. It DOES NOT blame parents. Itsimply tells parents what to look for and how they might respond.
 
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January 13, 2009, 9:47 pm PST

Two GREAT Experts Nicolosi and Stanton

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Dr. Phil I watch you everyday and never have I been so shocked by your guest "experts".The way those two doctors spoke about Toni and her transgender child was garbage.Thankfully the other two doctors were TRUE experts and showed some human kindness and understanding.


Just because a doctor goes along with a popular opinion doesn't  make him an expert. Suppose this was the 1920 and someone said, "I can't believe those two 'experts' are claiming those NEGROS are equivalent to us!"

It takes a lot of guts to be in Nicolosi's position fighting for those of us who have had success in change!

The real experts even if they didn't get to say much of anything at all were Nicolosi and Stanton!

The proof is not in how many fail but in how many succeed! Then the question is WHY? There are thousands of success stories, the media just CENSURES THEM!
 
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January 13, 2009, 9:57 pm PST

Nicolosi is not saying parents are the CAUSE!

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I am unbelievable angry right now!! I can't believe that those two gentlemen would believe that being 'trans-gender', a lesbian, or gay in not natural and that you, as a parent can guide them away from that!! And another thing, as a single mother, I am outraged that they would say a boy being too close to their mother makes them gay or trans-gender in some way! That is just crazy!!

I'm sorry but if a child is gay or trans-gender, I can't possibly see how that is the fault of the parent!

My son is 17 and we are close, and has has very little contact with his father through out his life, and he's straight. So I think those two gentlemen theory is a load of nonsense!!


Read his book, Nicolosi is in no way saying that parents are the sole cause of their child's gender issues. It is obvious that sometimes PARENTS are the cause. They shape a child's life in many ways. Why can't they shape a child's view of his own gender!  MY PARENTS SHAPED MY VIEW!  Did they do it on purpose? Was it ENTIRELY their fault i turned out the way i did? Nicolosi is not saying that! He only says that they MAY contribute to it. He also believes other things POSSIBLY contribute as well. He then offers POSSIBLE SOLUTIONS to help the child feel better about his gender. IS that so hard to understand?
 
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January 13, 2009, 10:12 pm PST

What Nicolosi IS SAYING...

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You know i read all these post about people playing with boy or girl toys and being gay when they were older.

I must be different.   I am 24 years old, been in a dress 1 time.  Have NEVER put on make-up.  NEVER wore high heels, NEVER played with barbies. 

I wear hoodies and jeans, I hunt and fish, i still play transformers and star wars with my son.  I like video games, and sports.

IM NOT GAY!  Nor have i ever thought I was gay and my MOTHER raised me.  I am married and have a child. 

I think the more the parent pushes one way or another the child is going to rebel, thats what kids do.

 My mom bought me the toys I wanted and never once pushed me to be more girly, to wear make up or dresses. 

How bout we let our kids be who they want to be and stop pushing to act your gender??  stop pushing trucks on boys and barbies on girls and maybe who wouldnt be having this discussion.


Again, Nicolosi is not saying that a child knows the difference between a Barbie doll and a He-Man or GI Joe doll!  He is simply avocating that he child be introduced to his or her gender role. This is just plain common sense. Come on guys!  Every parent does it. "No that's for girls!"  Some people have a disorder,so they need a little more help. That is all he is saying.

I can't say that all people can change. I can only say that Nicolosi has helped me.
 
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January 13, 2009, 10:23 pm PST

I disagree with Dr. Phil but Want to Thank him!


Dr. Phil, I know you follow the popular view that change is NOT possible and that people are BORN gay and with Gender Identity Disorder. I TOTALLY DISAGREE WITH YOU. But I really, really want to say thanks for giving us even a small amount of time on your show.  I started therapy in 2003. I have read many of Nicolosi's books.  His books sounded like my life story! I was totally amazed at what Nicolosi had to say. It has COMPLETELY, COMPLETELY changed my life! I am SO MUCH MORE HAPPY than i was before.

I disagree with your views. Your bias did show. But I DO GREATLY APPRECIATE THE EFFORT! You could have just portrayed your own view and had experts that only you agreed with. It is your show, but you went against popular opinion and gave our side a chance to speak. YES, YOU COULD HAVE DONE MORE! But this will at least allow some who are interested to investigate!  At least they know we exist!
 

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