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January 13, 2009, 9:37 am PST

10/29 Gender Confused Children

Quote From: freakycat125

I find so many aspects of this subject absolutely confusing and illogical. I really have to admit I do not understand... despite the fact I have read about, and even know homosexual and transgender people. I hope no one will be offended if I ask a few questions.

 

1. What do clothes have to do with Gender? I mean clothing is cultural, and it varies in different countries and through out history. The early Roman men wore short skirt like garments... and sometimes the Greeks wore nothing at all... I am certain Jesus didn't own a pair of pants, because they weren't invented yet in his day. Bras, Pants, and underwear are basically modern inventions. Therefore it could not be a biological, instinctive or inborn need for someone male or female to wear women's underwear. Fruther natural born women do not wear dresses very often at all, Most women don't wear nearly as much make-up, or worry about their hair and clothing as much as trans gender people. Honestly most women don't dress that differently from men. So why is clothing so much of an issue with these confused gender people?

 

2. What difference does it make really what gender you are? I mean sexual preference sure, people like what they like I guess. I am a woman who is attracted to men, It would not occur to me to even think of being with a woman, so I suppose that if a man felt the same way for some reason, then it would be hard to change.... but gender for the sake of gender only... like wanting to be the opposite sex just because you feel like a man or a woman? What is the point of that? For example why would a man change his gender to female, and then be a lesbian? Why would he bother to change his gender... and apart from sexual preference, what difference does it make if you are male or female? WEll other than the difference in economic opportunities. It seems to me a man getting a sex change cuts his paycheck in half, and volunteers to recieve condesending attitudes, and descrimination... even if he successfully convinced people he was a real woman. Why would anyone want to be a woman if they were not born one?

 

3. Why do interests, toys and hobbies have to be gender specific? Plenty of little girls like to climb trees, and play with toy trucks. I remember in kindergarten they made the little girls play with dolls and the boys play with trucks. I used to take trucks away from little boys every time the teacher left the room, cause dolls got boring after a while. I don't think that made me a guy... I think assuming gender is based in toy preference makes any sense at all. Fruther I still think trading recipies, and a lot of other feme activities are boring. I don't think that makes me a guy either, just a woman who would rather be in a room full of men listening to them talk, than in a room full of women listening to them talk. On the other hand, some men like being around mostly women, and listening to them talk about clothes, and hair. Some men like to cook. That doesn't make them gay, or women... it might just  mean they like women a lot? Could I be right on this? How are toys and hobbies gender related anyway? People enjoy what they enjoy. Why can't people do whatever they want to do regardless of gender?  

 

4. What is wrong with just letting people wear what they want, and play with whatever toys they want, and just not attaching a gender to it? Trying to pass for the opposite sex is another matter, but if men just think our clothing is more intersting, why not make silk shirts in pastel colors for men, Women already enjoy the right to wear jeans, and slacks. Why not just have clothes, instead of women's clothes and men's clothes?

 

5. I've heard gender confused men say they felt like women... but how do they know what it feels like to be a woman in the first place. I actually asked a few, who described that feeling to me, and I can honestly say, I never felt that way in my life. I asked around to my female friends, and they don't feel that way either. It seems to me that women take their gender for granted, They don't go around singing, "I feel pretty." If  someone was to ask me how it feels to be a woman, I'd probably describe the pain of minstral cramps,  cause I figure that is the only thing I or any other woman feels that is any different from what a man feels.

 

6. If a person had a transgender operation, what are the odds of a straight, normal, hetherosexual person wanting to date them or marry them? How could they tell people they date that they are transexual without getting gay bashed? Is it really fair for them to try to pass as women, and pick up men, when in fact most men will only be repulsed when they find out, and it might even cause them to doubt their own masculinity?

 

7. Don't you think that all this talk about gay and transgender on TV causes more and more people to become gender confused? I have heard people say that young people need to consider their sexual preference... in my day we didnt' consider anything of the sort. It was just assumed, but a small precentage of people were still gay. I think if someone is gay they would know it without thought or discussion.

 

8. Being molested or raped brings on a lot of confusing, self loathing, and general distress. Is there any link between having gay sex, whether willingly or unwillingly before the age of concent, and being gender confused? Couldn't being forced or coerced into gay sex make a man think he is gay or transgender?

 

Again I am not trying to be offensive, these are just things I wonder about, and am afraid to ask people I know...could anyone explain any of this to me? 

"What difference does it make really what gender you are? I mean sexual preference sure, people like what they like I guess. I am a woman who is attracted to men, It would not occur to me to even think of being with a woman, so I suppose that if a man felt the same way for some reason, then it would be hard to change.... but gender for the sake of gender only... like wanting to be the opposite sex just because you feel like a man or a woman? What is the point of that? For example why would a man change his gender to female, and then be a lesbian? Why would he bother to change his gender... and apart from sexual preference, what difference does it make if you are male or female? WEll other than the difference in economic opportunities. It seems to me a man getting a sex change cuts his paycheck in half, and volunteers to recieve condesending attitudes, and descrimination... even if he successfully convinced people he was a real woman. Why would anyone want to be a woman if they were not born one"

 
I couldn't even force myself to finish reading your post after this last "question". I understand if you have some confusion, its understandable.  But to say that you KNOW transgendered people, and to not have any idea how CHANGING YOUR SEX could make a dfference inhow they FEEL?

My boyfriend is a woman with GID, and I refer to him ONLY as a male. I am not a lesbian, I have never been attracted to a woman, not that I feel there would be anything wrong with this if  i WAS.   He will be havinng the surgery to become a man, and I support him 110%.  His family has a hard time accepting this though. But try to put yourself in the shoes of a transgendered person.  Transgendered people, who feel and relate to the opposite sex as being THEIR sex, are usually DISGUTED with their genitals. They don't feel like they belong there. Now imagine, you are a woman, and INSIDE, you are a man. Simple things to us, like shopping for clothes, Doctors appointments, or USING A PUBLIC WASHROOM... can you imagine how much harder those things BECOME? 

So for these men and women who are placed in the wrong bodies at birth, and YES i believe that it IS possible for this to happen, a sex change will make ALL the difference in the world. YOu said yourself, that you are attracted to who you are attracted to. So My b/f is attracted to women....  that can't be changed. But he doesn't and has NEVER felt complete in the body he has been given. So what?...  to you, the answer would be "just be a lesbian?" Sometimes things aren;t that simple. People are who they are. Why would it be so bad for someone to have a sex change to feel WHOLE and be happy with their lives, probably for the first TIME in thier lives... but it is acceptable for people to go around getting breast implants and nose jobs and plastic surgeries just to feel a BIT better about themselves?
 
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January 13, 2009, 9:42 am PST

10/29 Gender Confused Children

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I have 2 sons and I am really close to them as well as their father. I would have never let them turn into girls. And the mom on there was really a turn off and rude to your other guests. And of course the lesbian on the show is going to agree ....that that is way they were born. And where are the all the dads when this stuff happens. It seems it is always divorced moms this happens to. And it really bothered me that she said over and over that she wasnt close to her child. Maybe she should have been and this might not have happend.
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OK.... so you have 2 sons and one day. one of your sons, who you are "really close to" approaches you and says he is unhappy with his life, and is on the verge of suicide. The only way your son can feel happy with himself and his life, is to become a female.

Can you HONESTLY say "no I can't let you". Somtimes it IS a matter of life and death.
 

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