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June 4, 2006, 4:38 pm PDT
 Hi, As the title suggests we need to read the bible. Yes homosexuallity is a sin. Ok that being said so is lying, murder , rape, stealing etc and the list goes on. here in lies the problem we are missing the problem. Sin is not the reason any one will or will not go to heaven. "for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God." Romans 3:23. the reason someone will or will not go to heaven is whether or not they chose Jesus as their savior. that was the reason he came to die to be a payment for our sins the only requirement is that we freely accept this gift. Yes we can get into all sorts of legalism about teaching and membership but these issues take us off the real Question of has that person truly accepted Christ and if they have it is than issue between them and God and he already sees them as righteous and blameless by the covering of Jesus sacrifice for them on the cross. Satan loves it when we get involved in these meaningless discussions and concentrate an the worldly aspects of our existence and forget about the spiritual end of things. "for we do not wrestle against flesh and blood , but against principalities, against powers,against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places"Ephesians 6:12 we need to quit warring amongst ourselves and take faith in the on who has already defeated Satan on our behalf and trust in him and not our own works. The most important decision you make in your life is what you do with Jesus. |
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June 4, 2006, 6:01 pm PDT
Quote From: tulseyjoe There is absolutely no scripture in the Old Testament nor the New Testament which literally mentions what we in modern times would consider to be sexual activity by those who are exclusively homosexual. In the 3 chapters of the Bible which literally mention same-gender sexual activity, the situation is the pagan worship of fertility gods and/or goddesses by heterosexuals who have gone to a pagan temple or other place of worship to make a sacrifice of male "seed" to the false gods to insure more human offspring by those heterosexuals in relationship with women.
One must read Leviticus chapters 18 through 20 in complete context where the Israelites are told not to follow the cultural/religious practices of the Canaanites which includes the worship of Asherah, aka Astarte, the Canaanite fertility goddess, and her male co-hort, Ba'al, aka Milcom or Molech (both words mean "king"). A male holy (Kodesh) person serving the goddess or god in that situation was called a "sodomite" elsewhere in the bible. "Kodesh" the word mistranslated as "sodomite" (in other Bible books) is literally a "holy" (person, place, or thing) in the Hebrew Language.
Often this holy person representing the goddess Asherah would dress up in female drag and the male (definitely hetersosexual) would have sex with the male holy person and in the worshipper's mind and spirit, it was as if he was having sex with the goddess herself and not with a male at all.
The only other place in the Bible where same-gender sexual activity is condemned is in Romans Chapter 1, In that chapter, the context where that takes place is also in a pagan fertility temple.
To some ignorant right-wing Bible-thumpers, there is only one sin in that chapter; but, the real truth is that at the end of the chapter there is a whole list of other sins which those "thumpers" are guilty of themselves. But, they act like those don't exist.
Added note here: I did graduate work in theology at Oral Roberts University in the latter 1970s. The Roberts family and the university is in denial of the fact that Oral and Evelyn Roberts' first born son, Ronald Oral Roberts, left the closet after I went to ORU and he openly admitted to several people I knew that he was gay. Troy Perry, founder of the MCC denomination, wrote about Ronald in one of his books. A former local MCC pastor here in Tulsa told me that Ron and she were friends and that he definitely was gay. you say there is no mention of homosexuallity . How about Genesis 19, 1st Corinthians 6:9-10. the problem is that it is a sin like any other and that people don't want it to be a sin because of bad teachin they think tha they will go to hell. that real problem is not sin that will send you to heaven or hell but your answer to the question of accepting Jesus as your savior. If you haven't done that it doesn't matter how "good" you have been heaven won't be your final destination. "Jesus said to him, I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the father except through me." John14:6 he was speaking to Thomas at the time. I pray that your eyes will be opened to the truth of the word and not be decieved by satan's lies and treachery as he is the real enemy. |
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