Message Boards

Messages By:

November 9, 2005, 1:24 pm PST

11/09 Next Generation of Moochers

Quote From: baw91984

I have a 24 year old boyfriend that still lives with mom and dad and is supported by them. We have a child together and haven't had our own place yet. I am still a student as i am a lot younger then my boyfriend. He dropped out of college and didn't work for the longest time and his parents supported him. His parents think that a women should make everything happen and that men should just be able to enjoy their lives. Any suggestions on how to get my boyfriend to get us our own place?

Why are you still with him?  He's a 2d-generation loser.  Get yourself and your child out of there as fast as you can! 

 
November 9, 2005, 2:01 pm PST

my story

OK, slackers and bleeding hearts, here's how it works.  Rather than just telling you to "get a clue", I have highlighted the clues in red so I KNOW you will get them. 

  

I lived with my folks while I was going to junior college (18-20 yrs old) -- no dorms so that was my only option.  After I graduated from junior college, Instead of going on to finish up my degree at a four-year college then, I stayed where I was and started working full-time.  My mother, who was nobody's fool,  immediately started charging me rent.  I lived with them for 2 more years.  When I was 22 I CLUE #1 moved to another city about 60  miles away,  and CLUE #2 took the first job I was offered.  (I was so naive that I just didn't understand why it didn't pay as much as the job I had left.)  It was a dead-end job, but  it CLUE #3 paid the rent.  I  CLUE #4 lived with roommates, some of them less than ideal,  to make ends meet.  After two years in the dead-end job, I decided to go back to college and finish my degree.  I did that without moving back home, by CLUE #5 working 30 hours a week as a full-time student and taking on student loans.  2 years later I graduated from college, then went to professional school, getting married in the meantime.  Yes, I spent the first 10 years of my work life paying off my student loans (and my husband's) but we did it independently because it CLUE #6 NEVER EVER CROSSED MY MIND FOR ONE MINUTE THAT MOVING BACK IN WITH MY PARENTS WAS AN OPTION.   

  

So excuuuuse me if my empathy for these moochers done swole up and busted.  I did it on my own -- my parents helped me find my first apartment, helped me move a couple of times, handed me down things like dishes, appliances,  even a coffee pot, welcomed me home when I visited on weekends -- but the subject of moving back home never came up, from me or them.  It's called ADULTHOOD. 

 
November 10, 2005, 7:29 am PST

11/09 Next Generation of Moochers

Quote From: twnty1inwi

 I agree to a point.. Yes they pay for the house, and heat.. and I don't use water at home, I haven't showered away from work for the last year, since I work 6-7 days a week.... But the way I see it also, is that wether I was there or not, they would have to pay the house payment and heat payment... and when I am home I'm sleeping most of the time, so it's not like im a neusance around the house.
One of  your earlier posts refered to a "$2000 house payment" that you couldn't afford if you moved out.  Good grief!  Our house payment is half of that for a 4-BR 2-story 2K sq. ft. family home in a notoriously high-property-tax area, and the payment includes taxes and insurance.  Maybe I'm living on another planet, but I think if you look carefully you can find lodging for considerably less that $2000!
 
November 10, 2005, 11:38 am PST

11/09 Next Generation of Moochers

Quote From: kovucat8

 I watched part of the Dr. Phil show the other day (wanted to see the whole thing, but the station pre-emptied part of it for the bombing in the middle east), and I must say that I don't like being called a moocher just because I am an adult and living with my parents.  As peepinbud said today isn't the same as it was 20, even 10 years ago.  I will relate my story.  I graduated from highschool in 1997 and went straight to university.  Received all A's and graduated with honors in 2001.  I then went on to vet school, which I just graduated from this past June.  I have absolutely no money (8 years of school with not working can do that to you) so I had to move back into my parent's home (not that I wanted to).
It has been 7 months now and I still haven't found a job (due to being a new grad and having no experience as well as living in a very competitive area).  So I am right now 27 years old and having to rely on my parents for everything since I don't even have 10 bucks in my bank account.
If giving the choice right now, I would leave, but I can't until I get a job and start making some money.

And before anybody says just to get any job, it doesn't really work that way.  My education makes it impossible for me to get hired anywhere except for what I trained for.  Places don't want somebody that will continue to look for work, but rather somebody that will stick around for years.

So before you make judegments on some people, maybe you should look into the circumstances they have in their life.  Yes, some people have it easy and find a high paying job right away, but not everyone is that lucky, especially in this day and age, when there are more workers than ever.

How did you get through 8 years of college without working? Even if you had a full ride scholarship because of your academics, what did you do for spending money?  My oldest is a senior in college and works 20 hours a week for her spending money, and she's footing the bill (loans and money from her summer job) for the small portion of her tuition that isn't covered by scholarships and gift aid.  She's also on the dean's list and does practicum in her field 2 days a week.  8 years of college without working?  That's a totally foreign concept at our house. Both my kids have worked since they were 13 or 14. 

  

Are you telling me that you're 26, owner of an advanced degree, being totally supported by your parents, and you're not even working at a convenience store or sacking groceries??  When I got out of law school I couldn't find a job in the field for several months either, so I signed up with a temporary service and did all kinds of office work -- typing, switchboard, whatever paid the rent -- while my JD sat at home gathering dust.  That's how I took care of the "not even 10 bucks in my bank account" problem.  I then took the first job I was offered in my field, which was part-time and paid only slightly better than unemployment compensation.  But it opened doors for me and eventually led to the job I have today and have had for the last 17 years. 

  

If the area you live in is so competitive with respect to finding a job, why not look  -- notice I didn't say "move" -- somewhere else?   First you go look, then you find a job, THEN you move.  That's what I did 32 years ago, and yes, it does still work that way if you really don't want to live with your parents..   

  

If you don't want to be called a moocher, quit whining, go out and get a job of some kind, and support yourself.  You're 26 years old, for heaven's sake.  How are you going to explain this to your kids (if you ever do move out and move on, that is)?? 

  

  

 
November 10, 2005, 11:51 am PST

11/09 Next Generation of Moochers

JudyBlue, you go, girl!!  Too many of the posts I've read on here are from people who are chronologically adults but haven't outgrown than adolescent "I am the sun, the center of the universe" mindset that tells them they deserve only the best and if they can get someone else to provide it, so much the better.   

  

I had to make a conscious decision to move out of my parents' house when I was 22 and take the concrete steps I've described in earlier posts.    Inertia IS a powerful force and will always provide you with reasons not to get off the gravy train.  My parents didn't push me out but they certainly didn't discourage me when I said I was going! And when I did move out, they didn't throw money at me -- after all, I had been working full time for almost 2 years and they expected me to be responsible for my own rent and utility deposits, etc.  They expected me to live on what I earned at my new job and to figure out for myself how to do that.  In so doing, they did me much bigger favors that living at home even paying a teensy bit of "rent"  would have done for me.   

 
November 10, 2005, 12:19 pm PST

11/09 Next Generation of Moochers

Quote From: wayners27

I am a step parent to a 25 yr old, who has juveinile diabetes he has been in trouble with the law and has event spent 18 months in prison and has a mental Illness. he has lived with us(his mom) for the last yr. in that time he has time to see many girl friends and had a job for about a month until he had to much fun one night and could not function to go to work, ans since he had been undependable they laid him off and since has not attempted to get another job, and mooches off us, I speak to my wife that he needs to move out but she does not do anything, He does have a mean and angry side that we are both afraid of.  he has allot of time to spend with friends that will drive him around but not work for pay bills, clean house and he is a slob.  what is a step dad to do?? 

Wayne, I don't know where you live but if your stepson has mental and physical problems there are services out there available to him.  Give him a deadline -- he has "X" amount of time to get into counseling, get a job, and  find a place of his own, in that order.  At the end of that amount of time, out he goes, no exceptions.  It would be nice if your wife would go along with this but if she won't, she must not keep you from enforcing it.   

  

It may require you & your wife to get counseling as well, to find out why you're "owned" by a 25-year-old ex-con "with a mean and angry side [you]'re both afraid of."  If you're afraid of him , why live with him? 

 
November 10, 2005, 2:29 pm PST

11/09 Next Generation of Moochers

Quote From: cacky46

Our 25 yr old son moved back home in March, after living away from home for three years. After he graduated from high school, he attended four colleges in two states in five years, and didn't manage to graduate from college. To make a long story short, after paying for his college for all those years, we gave him enough money in January 2005 for him to complete his degree.  He had been working for the past 9 months, and was trying to establish residency out of state, and was going to finiish the following fall semester.  We told him we were not going to pay for anymore college (five years more than enough).  Rather than save the money, he spent it.  So, in March, he broke up with his girlfriend called us and asked if he could come home.  Of course, we said yes, he quit his job and moved back home.  We had just built and moved into a new home. thinking that our two children were now out of the house (we have a 20 yr old daughter who is in college).  

  

 Our son is very intelligent and has ADHD. He doesn't understand why we won't pay for any more college education.  He states that he is not going to pay for it himself.  We live in a small town and good jobs with benefits are scarce.  He got a job at a dept store, but soon quit it and got into construction.  He gets paid cash and on an irregular basis.  He spends his money as quick as he gets it and saves none.  I asked him to bring me the money he received and let me budget for him.  He has agreed to do so, but he says he spends $30 per day on food.  So far, we have not asked him to pay toward expenses, but he has been contributing for food and he does tithe 10% to the church.  He likes living beyond his means, and we know we are guilty of enabling him.  

  

Of course, he wants to stay home, he works all day, comes home, goes to his room and either watches TV or plays X-box.  I am helping hiim save some money out of his pay.  We have discussed loaning him money to buy a reasonably priced house with interest and his response is that he didn't think that family should charge interest.  I think he expects us to buy him a place to live. I have asked him what his plans are and he want s to stay at home and be a family.  I think that is just an excuse, because he goes out with his buddies and we hardly see him.  He doesn't help around the house unless I ask him.  When I ask him to clean his bathroom and his room, he cleans it , but not the way I would clean.  After watching the show Wednesday,  we are thinking about talking to him about finding a place for him to live, and pay for the rent for three months. 

  

Any suggestions aabout how to transition our son out of the house would be greatly appreciated.     

  

Holy cats! "He likes living beyond his means."  Well, DUH, Sherlock.   "Transition" your son out of the house?  If you wanted him gone, he'd be gone by now.  Pack his things, put them on the porch of your "newly built house", and change the locks.  That's how you "transition"  -- or "kick" -- him out of the house.
 
November 10, 2005, 2:41 pm PST

11/09 Next Generation of Moochers

Quote From: peepinbud

 Vet school is difficult. It is the same as med school. I have a SIL who tried to work during med school and had to drop out three times. It doesnt work. If this person has dedicated this many years to this education and resources, then they should not throw it all away to work at a fast food restaurant. I know people who have HIDDEN their degrees to get fast food work or work down at the local factory. You are put in that position.

I worked all the grunt jobs, cleaning toilets, fast food, and they didnt do one thing but make me POORER and dig my hole deeper into ruined health. I worked from the time I was 10 [newspaper route......but all I learned was a future of low paying grunt work. And I did some of these jobs after a teaching lay-off. If I had been given a little bit of time, and been able to collect my resources, and gotten help from relatives perhaps things would have been different. People can lose their health from poverty.

I dont agree that ANY job is worth it. Somehow a person with a veterinarian degree going to go sling hamburgers 40 hours a week for the next 5 years isnt the answer.

I do think they should consider moving, even if overseas if needbe. But then if theres no money thats difficult also.




Peepinbud, he was only in vet school for 4 years.  The other 4 were undergrad.  What prevented him from working during that time? And what did he do during the summers? 

  

He's claiming it's OK to continue to let his parents support him because "he doesn't have $10 bucks in the bank."  Nobody's asking him to make a career out of fast food -- just to get off his duff and get some money coming in so he can contribute to his parents' expenses in supporting him. I punched a switchboard with a law degree moldering at home a lot longer than I wanted to, but I did it because "I didn't have $10 bucks in the bank" and it was my responsibility as an ADULT to remedy that problem, not my parents'. 

  

And if you would trouble yourself to read what I wrote, I did tell him to find a job first in a new area, THEN move. I know it can be done because I did it. Of course it's expensive to move.  But if his parents are willing to provide for his every need without a dime in reimbursement now, when he's not even trying to work, I'm sure they'd help out a little with moving expenses to get him to where his job is.  By the way, I paid my own moving expenses.  

  

I agree with the previous post-er that adults living with their parents who are paying board/rent, cleaning,  and generally not being slackers are not moochers if they have a goal and are taking concrete steps to carry out their plans to reach that goal.  It's the ones being totally supported by their parents and still whining "Poor, poor pitiful me" need to be gently but firmly removed into the real world. 

 
November 28, 2005, 1:25 pm PST

11/28 Conception Deception

Quote From: maxxdmom

Mary, 

  

I don't know if you read here. I hope that this message finds its way to you.  First of all my heart goes out to you, I know exactly how you feel.  I have 4 kids.. the first were 12, 14, 16 and I was a single parent to them, having divorced their dead beat dad after our 12 year marriage.  The picture you see is of me and my latest edition, a product of my boyfriend's deception. He, like your husband, pulled out too (yeah right).  I begged him not to get me pregnant, I just could not handle another child.  Yet, knowing my history and that I had struggled to raise my first three kids without their father and his child support, I don't think my boyfriend really cared about my feelings and he knew I would not have an abortion, because my ex had forced me to have one, and it destroyed me and our marriage. 

  

 Well I am still with my boyfriend and we co-parent our son, and he half ass attempts to parent my other kids, though they are self sufficent now that the years have passed.  I didn't get married, he wanted to, and he might have thought it would be the result of this pregnancy, since he is not a us citizen and from europe on a green card. Maybe that was his plan to get to stay in this country. It was also an attempt to keep me in his clutches, for like you, I too had many suitors to pick from! 

  

Mary I don't want to go on about my situation when you are obviously hurting and confused.  but you have 4 beautiful boys who love their mother very much and whether you stay with your husband or not, you will get through this and I am certain as my kids have been for me, your children will be your rock to survive what ever the lord puts in front of you.  Also remember, life comes full circle, there may be a time when your kids will care for you when you are older..  

  

If I can raise three children on a little education and salary just above poverty level, anyone can. We went without alot of things, but there was never a moment when my kids did not feel love and valued for their opinions.  These kids have turned out to be marvelous.. my daughter is in college with a 4.0 GPA and on scholarship, and my son is already a dept manager.  the youngest is also very intelligent and giving and can read at 2nd grade level.  As long as you show your children Love Mary, you might do without, but you will have what you really need. 

  

Peace and love, 

Michelle 

Ummm, OK, let's review.  You were a single parent to 3 teenage children and you get pregnant with a fourth one, trusting a man you have no intention of marrying to be your birth control for you.   

  

WHAT'S WRONG WITH THIS PICTURE?? 

 
November 28, 2005, 1:28 pm PST

11/28 Conception Deception

Quote From: maxxdmom

A relationship evolves and sometimes grows from holding hands and kissing to then having sex. I waited for sex with my s/o for 3 months after dating, I had sex for sex sake.not for a baby.  I was not looking for a husband. I too was caught off guard and was well feeling the love. Sometimes our bodies tell us that sex will feel good, and it does and it is for pleasure not conception. 

  

To assume someone is on sleeping pills and not just a sound sleeper, is a little judgemental.  Maybe there were drinks involved, or maybe the husband is just not well endowed.  Who knows, but he admitted that he thought he could get away with it which is clearly deceptive. 

  

Peace and Love, 

Michelle 

"I had sex for sex sake, not for a baby."  And your form of birth control was . . . ??? 

  

In the words of the Dixie Chicks, "There's your trouble, there's your trouble, there's your trouble. . . " 

 

First Page | Previous Page | 1 | Next Page | Last Page
Return to Message Board