Messages By: joyjoybink

Are you the angry one? There is NO excuse for that kind of anger being vented on kids. Sorry, but there just is not. If you're the angry one & you have kids, are you mistreating them? If so, GET HELP! Michelle has NO right to do that to those kids. There are NO children that should have to go through that! EVER! If you're angry like that, find a way to get help! PLEASE! That's not a "normal" way to live. I know there's no real normal, but you know what I mean. No one should be that angry. If they are, they desperately need to find a way to get some help. Were you abused? Were you badly treated? You sound like you need therapy if you honestly feel more sorry for the mother than you do those innocent little girls. God help you!  

If you're living with someone who has that kind of anger, report it! Tell someone! I'm now quite afraid that you're angry & you have children. And I'm scared to death for your kids! This anger is NOT right! Yes, Michelle needs help. Perhaps you do too...either to get over the anger or to get AWAY from the one with this anger. Which one are you? Are you the angry one? Or are you being abused? Please get help either way!  

Well, my mom & nearly ALL of her 12 brothers & sisters...& my grandma were all abused by my grandfather. He didn't drink; he just went into rages. He beat my grandma all the time, even when she was pregnant. They were poor; they had 13 children! My mom is a fraternal twin. She was beaten, she was slapped hard across the mouth, her brother was thrown against a wall. I had an uncle who was born with cerebral palsy, probably cause Papaw beat Mamaw when she was pregnant with Uncle Bobby. That DID start making my papaw change. He knew he was to blame for Uncle Bobby being born that way. I believe he was. Papaw is dead now; Mamaw died before he did & he had to take care of Uncle Bobby until Bobby died at age 46 (crippled & mentally handicapped--died of a massive heart attack). God led me to go to Papaw's deathbed (I'm not kidding!) & talk to him before he died. I asked Papaw if he'd prayed to Jesus & asked Jesus into his heart & he said yes. Papaw's kids all still loved him; they were relieved to find that out.  

I am SO thankful my mom was so sick of being abused that she never abused me or my older brother! :) We had a wonderful home life! :) Dad was a gentle, sweet man. I realize how incredibly fortunate & blessed I have been. I don't take it for granted. But my husband & I never were able to have kids. But I saw my aunt (Papaw's youngest, who did NOT get abused) verbally abuse her children & her husband slap the oldest around. I was too young & too scared to do anything about it (I was their babysitter).

If anyone who is reading this is abusing their children, even verbally, please STOP IT! My mom DID! If she could, anyone can! Her mother was beaten, Mom was beaten, but I WAS NOT! The cycle can be broken! And Mom did all this in the late 50s & early 60s, etc., before there was so much help available or light shed on this subject.

You can get help! If you need it, please ask for help...usually, your local mental health counseling center will let you pay according to how much you make. That's how my cousin got help. It's on a sliding scale. Don't abuse your kids! Children are a gift from God that I've never been given. Please don't let the abuse go on one more day!  

Joy  

Hello again. There is NO excuse for abuse. PERIOD. If you have anger like this you need to get some very sereious help! If, as you say, people don't enjoy being this way, then why continue to feel this way? Shouldn't you be getting help? Shouldn't you be in counseling? It certainly sounds like it. Obviously you don't understand that being that angry is not good! You're already starting to call people names on this board. Why? No one on here is a jerk. You're not either. Michelle is a seriously troubled person who desperately needs help. You sound like you do too! PLEASE go to mental health services? Write Dr. Phil? Do something. Please don't stay this way. It's not the way you're meant to go through life. My mom was abused when she was young too. She broke the cycle. You can too! Please get help, OK? I'm seriously worried about you. Nothing on the outside matters...it's what's inside.  

I'm really sorry that you feel you have nothing going for you. Each & every person has a reason & purpose to be on this earth. Have you read any of Dr. Phil's books? Perhaps you should. You have worth & you need to learn to find a way to treat yourself how you should've been treated as a child. I'm sorry you were abused. But there is no excuse at all for carrying the "tradition" forward. You'll have a lot of trouble throughout your life if you don't get some help for this anger. I don't mean to lecture, honestly. I've had trouble with my self-worth due to some past emotional abuse from my husband. I know that's not even close to what you've been through. But when we're adults we have a choice to how we want to be & live in this world.

You sound like you want to defend your anger instead of get help. Why? No one is judging you. But Michelle put herself on TV. She wrote to Dr. Phil, so she should expect people to have their opinions. It's extremely difficult for most people to watch children being treated that way & not feel very angry at the woman who is putting them through such torture! She desperately needs help. I pray she gets it. And I pray that you do too. Did you honestly not feel anything for those children? That's not a good sign! Please think about it. Would you do the same thing to kids if you had them? Please get some help! I really want you to talk to someone. Will you at least think about it? I can't imagine going through life with that much anger. What a rotten way to live. You deserve better than that! So does Michelle, but until she gets better (much better!) she can't be around those kids! They're young & unable to defend themselves against such a large bully. Are you a bully? Do you want to keep being a victim, or choose to get help? It's up to you. I pray you get help.

Joy  

To what2do:

You said you were abused as a child, but that you feel sorrier for Michelle than for her kids, even though the children were hyperventilating, throwing up, & obviously terrified of Michelle. Now you're upset because I or someone responded to one of your messages; you thought the person was a smart aleck. That's not it. It sounds like you're extremely quick to take offense. You said yourself that you're as angry as Michelle. Do you really want to continue to live that way??  

You also said you love the Dr. Phil show. If you do, then you know what he'd say to you: You choose how to be in this world. He told Michelle she'd chosen this character of being an angry tough woman & nobody gets in her way. Is that what you've chosen? I realize you've been abused, but many other people have too (like my mom) & they aren't angry the rest of their lives. Mom overcame hers (without therapy, by the way). What would Dr. Phil ask you to do? What would he think & say? If you love his show, you should know that no one is trying to be a smart aleck to you. I'm worried aboout you, frankly.

You've been abused & you honestly do not feel sorry for Michelle's children, even though you've been through it too? :( Those little girls are only 7 & 11. Don't you feel any empathy for them since you went through some of the same kind of abuse? Isn't it time to get some help? Aren't you exhausted from all the anger? You don't have to keep living this way. You really don't. I hope you find a really good therapist to help you. You know that Dr. Phil says you can change what you want to. Why don't you? I'll keep you in my thoughts & prayers. If you want to give me a first name, that'd be fine. If you're angry at me, that's too bad. I didn't say anything to you to make you angry. The first time I replied to you I didn't know if you were a parent or not...& I was frightened for your kids if you had any. A natural response since you're the ONLY one I've seen on the board who is DEFENDING being angry & not feeling bad for those little girls. Flashing red lights went off when I read your posts. Please get some help? I hope you do!   Joy  

Of course I know that it's more what we do with our feelings than what our emotions are. But I was quite simply worried about Michelle being controlled by her anger. I know people who have chosen to be victims. Michelle has. And she's taking it out on her kids & that's very WRONG! And living with that much anger in your life has to be exhausting. We decide how our lives are by how we react to what happens to us. We can be angry, hold it in, & then get sick...or take it out on other people. I've seen that. Or we can react differently & be much healthier.

Even the Bible says, "Be angry, but  don't sin." Being filled with anger is anguish. I know. I've lived with someone who's been that way. Someone who's always in turmoil & thinks his/her lot in life is worse than anyone else's. That's sad to watch a person just be a victim when so many other people are so much worse off. The person I know who's angry grew up in an incredibly critical household. The person has no self-worth & nothing I can say or do seems to help. That gets frustrating.  

Just to let you know, as Dr. Phil would say, I didn't just drop off the turnip truck yesterday. LOL :) I'm in my mid-forties. I may misspeak myself at times & I don't mind being corrected. But I have a feeling you're probably younger than I am. :-) That's OK. No problem. I was also writing when I was upset. DID you even see the show? If you didn't, then you don't know how emotional it was for so many people who saw those little girls being tormented by their own mother. So sad. Michelle's anger is destructive & dangerous. She needs help! Nice to meet you.

Joy  

So, you've more than made your point...over & over & over again! What DID you expect people to respond with? That was pretty hard to watch...AND Michelle wasn't asking for help as much as defending it, especially at first! It wasn't until Dr. Phil sort of started getting through to her that she even began to really cry for real. No, I'm not in their house, but Dr. Phil didn't say ONE word about her having an odd disorder or mental illness or anything like that. He researches these cases VERY well & he presented it as Michelle's CHOICE to act this way. He said as much on the show. SO, YES, I'm glad Michelle wrote for help. But she needed to realize WAY sooner on the show that she is TORMENTING those precious little girls! I don't know why you're defending them so much. I hope you're not abusive to your children, if you have any. Get real, as Dr. Phil says. Even HE was hard on her! Did you expect anything less than what you've read on the boards? Gimme a break. She is literally making her girls PHYSICALLY ILL! If there were any chance she had an odd, rare disorder, I'm fairly sure Dr. Phil would've found that out before he presented the show as he did. He didn't even bring that up. She's ADDICTED to being angry! And it has to stop! Those girls can't take ONE more day of it! So, you've more than made your point & upset & offended people who have been abused as well. I'd say you've made a pretty good day's work of it, so maybe you could lay off everyone now? That'd be nice. Thank you. I'm not angry at you--just the way you keep going into way-out stuff for excuses for Michelle. She knew by being on national TV that she'd be the subject of these boards. That's the way it works. Period. I hope she does get help! Have a lovely evening!   Joy   

Here come the group's members, with their programmed, brainwashed, devoid-of-emotion statements of how "wonderful" their lives are. What a bunch of sadly misled people! And then one of them says that only a "few bitter people" are ruining their reputation? Doesn't sound like this "Family" really cares much about what happens to their supposed "brothers & sisters," does it?

Don't the ones of you who DO have some sense & aren't brainwashed think that these members sound weirdly absent of emotion? They sound flat & unfeeling...& their only agenda is to the "Family" as a whole. I don't see any real sympathy or caring for what these poor kids have gone through! And there have obviously been MANY suicides & rapes & lots of sexual abuse. And their "founder" Berg hates Jews! Jesus was born as a Jew on earth! I have a feeling Berg did one too many drugs. Burnt up too many brain cells. What a weird sicko! How dare they use the name of God in their original organization! God has nothing to do with the things these people have done! Jesus said that it would be better for a person that "offends" (hurts, abuses) ANY child if a stone was tied around his/her neck & that person be drowned in the sea! And Jesus preached love, but not to people who used "religion" & God as an excuse for their perverted actions!  

I also pray that somehow God will bring this "religion" to its knees literally...that as many members as possible can find TRUE salvation & get out of this hideous cult! "Family" members, your statements actually sound very disturbing & show that you have indeed been programmed. You'll say whatever you think you have to so your "Family" will be protected. Pathetic. User Vandari was right--here you are, telling us how wonderful your family is. So pitiful. And how in the world does ONE woman have 8 children age 5 & under? Obviously they aren't all hers...hmm, makes me think there really is too much sex going on...& obviously inappropriate sex. The people on the show are simply representative of how many people were abused in this cult. You can be sure there are many others.

"Family" members, just know that God is watching what is happening. He loves you, but you can't get away with abuse in His name. At some point, either here on earth or after you die, you will be judged by God. He LOVES children...I just pray that you can wake up & ask forgiveness & the people who have been abusers go to the police & turn themselves in. You're all so pathetic. I'm so glad I didn't get caught up in anything like that! So blessed that I had wonderful & true Christian parents. I never wanted to travel the world; I never wanted to be parted from my parents...I loved them too much to not live with them (until I got married). Sorry, but your comments just don't ring true or genuine. If any of you hates Jews, then you're not in God's will, because He loves Jews & every people group! I have a suspicion that none of you know the Bible well at all. Sad. Berg was a sicko! Karen doesn't sound much better. Hurricane Katrina is judgment against people who have put the "Family" down? Give me a break. That's a horrible thing to say! You poor misled people. I pray you get help.  

Joy  

I don't think we can take any of these "member" statements as true. They've been brainwashed their whole lives! I feel sorry for you, Lori, I really do. You can't be objective & see what's true. I went to a church for a while in which the leader was preaching things that WERE NOT of God or the Bible! Thank God, my mom, I, & our friends knew enough to leave that church!

Even IF your "Family" only has one bad belief, that of Berg's that hates Jews (Jesus was a Jew! Hello?), that alone should be enough to make you want to leave that sick group! Any bigotry is wrong! But that's not all they've done. Sorry, you sound programmed & brainwashed to me. Flat, unemotional. You sound like a robot saying what you've been taught to say. I have to wonder if you really can think for yourself. MANY children have been abused, raped, & tormented! Dr. Phil doesn't make up stuff. These victims of abuse & rape (& there are more than a few & YOU KNOW IT!) aren't making this up! WHY did Ricky, Berg's son, kill someone else & himself? Berg was a SICK, TWISTED, PERVERTED person! You can't build truth on lies & hate. Sorry, but your statements are just PR for your group...I don't believe anything any of you say. It's truly sad to see that you've been so badly brainwashed that you can't see what's going on around you...& that you truly don't seem to care what has & IS happening (I have no doubt) to children! Shame on you! Grow up & ask God (the REAL One!) to give you the wisdom to see what's going on around you! My heart aches for all who have been tortured, raped, & abused because of what Berg started. What about Berg's book "Davidito"? You can't refute what is TRUE. A few people! Sorry, but I'm not buying your pathetic statements. There have been too many people's lives ruined by your horrid cult! Wake up & look around you! If you condone what's happened & continues to happen, you're as bad as those who have abused children. Sorry, that's how I see it & I believe that's how Jesus Himself sees it. But He does love you & wants to pull you out of that sick organization. You all sound so flat & unemotional that it's disturbing to read. It's obvious that you have no clue how horrid your organization is. Awful & sick! Poor Lori. You need professional help AWAY from the "Family." If that's what a family is (and thank God it's usually not!) I would NEVER want to belong! Praying for all of you & that the abusers get judgment here (by repenting to Jesus & turning themselves into the police) instead of after they die.  

Lori, you're in a sick group that has a wretched heritage. So sad. Sorry, but I don't buy your statement. I don't believe it. You're giving us propaganda because that's what you've been taught to do. Pitiful. May the true God help you.

Praying for you,  

Joy