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April 30, 2008, 9:33 pm PDT

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He has been ABUSVE to the baby's mom, lived in a half way house, can't drive, has DWI's (more than one)He has admitted that he can't afford the baby and has already said his mom can help him---It seems there is ALOT more to it than being a single dad! Just because hemade a baby with an 18 yr old girl (15 yrs younger than him) does not make him a father! This man obviously has issues and this baby deserves so much better! She has a loving family-----Give this baby a chance in life.

No, there is no proof that he was " abusive " to her other than her word, and that of hers and her family is already shown to be worthless, given the abuse of his parent6al rights and the lies that they have, and continue to commit. Her father's claim that he raped the daughter, when the daughter said, sitting right next to LYIN' Dad, that he didn't, is proof enough of their immorality in the area of truth telling.
So, if we take away the parental rights of all people with a DWI, how many welfare moms do you think will still have custody of their kids ? I'll repeat what both Dr. Phil and Mr, feit of the National Center for Men well pointed out, that NO ONE who ISN'T a Family Court Judge has ANY say over whether or not Bryce, or Esther are fit parents. Anyone who wants to make a claim of unfitness from watching a TV show, only dosplays their own unfitness to judge... anything.
Oh, and the child is NOT with " her loving family "... They GOT RID of the child of her promiscuity, that her control freak dad wasn't able to deal with.
The baby deserves to know her father... the ONE parent who DIDN'T throw her away.

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April 30, 2008, 11:30 pm PDT

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Really? Since when is putting a baby up for adoption in a loving home with 2 parents "getting rid of" or "throwing away" a baby? Last time I checked putting a baby up for adoption was a selfless sacrifice. You should be ashamed to cheapen what adoption really is about.

BTW -the family court judges did have their say in this situation thats why he doesn't have custody...HELLO...why wasn't that pointed out?

It isn't that they guy has 1 DUI he has a HISTORY of drug and alcohol abuse problems. I do not think that she or her family went about the adoption the right way but that doesn't make this guy a better candidate to parent this baby.

Let's all be happy the baby is being raised by other people.

Really. Every time that a child is put up for adoption, it IS a getting-rid-of-the-child deal. There may be good reasons to so, in SOME cases, but this ISN'T one of them. The controlling maternal grandfather refuses to have anything to do with having an out of wedlock child in his home, and he resorted to slanderous LIES about the father, told in front of his daughter denying them, as a part of his trying to justify his sick desires.
I have no need to be ashamed for telling the truth about this case, au contraire, you should be ashamed for trying to slander a man who wants to be a father, while denying the abuses and lies of those trying to deny Bryce his Equal Rights.
I'll repeat what Dr. Phil and Mr. Feit of the National Center for Men rightly said: UNLESS one is an Oregon Family Court Judge, dealing with a specific case of the fitness of either of thse parents, " opinions " about
Bryce's are nothing moe than slanderous gossip. Its interesting that her past wasn't mentioned...
And, a man who WANTS the child IS a better candidate to make decisions about a child that the other parent THREW AWAY.
No, lets be happy when Fathers are given Equal Rights to mothers. Until then, its right to be angry at *misandrous sexist injustice*. I can be happy that the child is not in the hands of the skanky mother and the LYING/control freak maternal grandmonster.

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April 30, 2008, 11:36 pm PDT

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I married my son's father. He was in the military so we made our own home.

Then, by your standards, the person who did the right thing was Bryce, in trying to get with Esther to make a family for the child, but it was Ether who ducked out on being responsible for what SHE alone chose, to
have the baby without making a family with Bryce.
That just adds to the list of Esther's and her control freak dad's evil pathologies.
If Esther was serious about dealing with it, without Bryce's knowledge, then she should have used her legal right to abort the fetus. After all, why bother keeping abortion legal if it's not going to be used...

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April 30, 2008, 11:45 pm PDT

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He does not have a home of his own...he is living with his mother. And, no, it wasn't Esther's father who said the paternal grandmother would be raising this child....it was the father himself!

I agree with you....and have said repeatedly.....that BOTH of these parents are selfish....that's a no brainer.

She doesn't have a home of her own, either. So what ? The dad being in the same home as his mother, the child's paternal grandmother, would be better than him living alone in a bachelor apartment. This way,
the child has two blood relatives in the same home as the child. Ask The Waltons if thats not a good idea.
The father said that his mother would do " a lot " of the raising of the child. So what ? Hes being honest about the fact that two people doing the parenting is *better than one* person doing it.
No, you are the no brainer; Esther was and is selfish, her control freak father is selfish, but Bryce is a stand up man who wants to do the right thing, as best that he can. That makes him The Good Guy in this matter.

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April 30, 2008, 11:59 pm PDT

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Thank You for saying it so well!!!

Mom and her lying parents disgust me and should be shut out. They are far from able to judge anyone, and no one watching the show is in a position to be clear about what is right for the baby or the father but...

ONE THING IS CRYSTAL CLEAR; She and her family do not want the baby, and he and his Mother do. On the face of it, it is a no brainer!!!

You're welcome. I have been a guy speaking out for Equal Rights for men, and this case is right up that exact alley.
You are also quite right about Esther and her controlling parents. They have a pretty awful track record on this matter, so they have no standing to criticise anyone else, and no one has a right to judge Bryce as a
parent, except a legal authority with that area of jurisdiction. Until and unless such an authority deems him unfit ( And, even then, its iffy; Even Judge Judy has been clear that family courts are hugely biased against men, so I wouldn't consider a no from one to be The Last Word about a man's fitness; maybe when and if
such courts become Equal, then their decisions would be respectable by both sexes. ), no one else's
claims on the subject are worth a plugged nickle.
It is clear; hes the bio father, and he wants the child, the bio mother doesn't, so if fair was fair, he gets the child.
But, and heres the Big But, folks; if that happened.... Esther might have to pay Bryce Child Support. I'd lay some odds that the moron chyk lawyer who herself, didn't know the appropriate register law, knew that, and told Esther and her control freak parents that... So, if thats the case, it IS money why Esther dumped the kid with local friends... Because Esther *won't pay* for the support of a child SHE ALONE made.
Thats... Evil. Esther IS a dead beat mom.

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