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October 19, 2007, 2:44 pm PDT

10/19 Suing for Love

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Are you Charles wife?  This man is every woman's nightmare.  Relationships should alwys remain private, even when they end.  What good does it do to assassinate someone's character?  Makes Charles seem like a little kid on a play ground.  I was totally disgusted with him and what he did.  He had no right to do what he did.  Whatever happened in they're relationship had nothing to do with her family, friends or her work.  And he must have been nuts for saying she had Aids, he had to have known it was something that could be proven with simple blood tests, what a fool he has made himself look like.  This is the kind of guy that every woman should be wary of, remember his face ladies, if he comes on to you, run, run as fast as you can.  Jealousy can be a very sick and demented disease.  Wow can't believe what he did.

I wouldn't be suprised if charlies diary was completely correct about her. I know a few ladies who don't look manipulative and who look like proper ladies but during certain times in their life had plenty of "cheating" affairs. My own mother used to leave me at the house while she went out drinking with her boy friends and she seems a great deal like bonnie.  I would describe my mother is seasonal bipolar too (where she used to get depressed and get stir crazy over the winter and be almost un-bearable to live with).

 

I can imagine there is lots of bias in a personal diary in the document he wrote, but i do not doubt it was truthful.  I am NOT suprised a court judged against him for writing it too, if she is a great liar and the jury didn't even bother reading the document.

 
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October 19, 2007, 2:48 pm PDT

10/19 Suing for Love

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Are you Charles wife?  This man is every woman's nightmare.  Relationships should alwys remain private, even when they end.  What good does it do to assassinate someone's character?  Makes Charles seem like a little kid on a play ground.  I was totally disgusted with him and what he did.  He had no right to do what he did.  Whatever happened in they're relationship had nothing to do with her family, friends or her work.  And he must have been nuts for saying she had Aids, he had to have known it was something that could be proven with simple blood tests, what a fool he has made himself look like.  This is the kind of guy that every woman should be wary of, remember his face ladies, if he comes on to you, run, run as fast as you can.  Jealousy can be a very sick and demented disease.  Wow can't believe what he did.

It was not clear that he mass produced the document and sent it to everyone.  He may have sent it to her and the school when asked. I wish they had of went into a bit more detail about that on the show.  How many copies did he send it to. Who did he send it to.

 

as far as aids, I believe he said her boyfriend had aids and she has been "exposed" to HIV.  I don't agree with sending the note everywhere but if she was that disgusting of a person she deserves to be exposed. She also sent out those flyers too (which they even showed in the show). I doubt all those people are lieing although one never knows. I caught my X cheating and she lied right up unto the point I played the tapes of her lieing to all her friends and talking to her boyfriend on the phone about their afair. Some people lie lie and lie, and then lie some more. 

 

It would have been great had they have played the security camera feed of her threatening that lady with a bat. She probably still would have denied it.

 
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October 19, 2007, 2:52 pm PDT

10/19 Suing for Love

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If my husband had an affair I'd be too busy making HIS life miserable to worry about the other woman!!! 

 

Just my two cents.  : )

 

 

haha.. why is this ok to say yet when a man does it, it's horrid?

 

THis is like on Ophra today when the wife said she tried to knock out her husbands teeth after she caught him and the audience all cheered and clap for her. Are you KIDDING ME! Nothing gives a woman or man the right to strike you. Do you think if a man said he slapped his wife when she caught her the audience would cheer? No? Don't tell me it's because a man is bigger. THat is a cop out. Striking someone has little to do with size.

 
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October 20, 2007, 10:39 am PDT

10/19 Suing for Love

Quote From: sensible1

It's all about commitment!!!!!  [Assuming people married each other for right reasons.  Marriage has ups and downs, good days and bad, good years and bad, surprises--both good and bad, and so on.  The newness wears off.  Romance wanes.  The physical flame flickers.  Weeds set in.  And so on.  A man or woman may still love each other, but go into an affair for various reasons.  Commitment will see a couple through it all, especially if they commit not only to the marriage and to each other, but commit to being happy--not just remaining married.   Remember: no one can make someone else happy; no one can provide everything another needs or wants, emotionally.  Learn to be happy and content.  The grass is not really greener on the other side of the fence--there will be problems there too, sometimes the same ones.  Again, its all about commitment!

I have to agree somewhat. You do have to choose to be happy and work at it, but ever person had needs and it is my opinion that the main reason people stray is these needs not being fulfilled. This doesn't mean once in a while, but over a long period of time having your needs not met. Each person has different needs. When I got married our minister went over all this stuff and explained it very clearly and I have to agree.  My last girl friend cheated on me, but I was not completely faultless. I worked too much, and did't pay enough attention to her. So some other guy came in and did and before I knew it, I had lost my children and my to be wife and of course the house and everything in it. I did get to part with all the bills though (that was great :) ).  Anyway I learned my lesson and I don't think my wife will ever stray unless i ignore her.

 

That being said,there is a point where you are not pumping out the "LOVE" hormone and people can be influenced by outside parties.  I think men in general can be TAKEN by a women no matter what if she takes the time to keep working on him.  It's hard to imagine a situation where the man couldn't get away, but eventually a man will give in.. I am sure DR Phil would too if he were unable to escape and she kept working on him.

 
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October 20, 2007, 11:09 am PDT

10/19 Suing for Love

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Its too bad that Dr Phil must remain so professional on this show, but if I could see through this guy, I know Dr Phil did.  He showed to be an arrogant immature child and his ex wife was just as deceived.  I also expected the same response from the kids.  Neighbours, well, you can only go by what you see and many killers were known in their neighbourhoods as 'nice guys'.  I am sorry Charles, but you really need help.  I am not saying Bonnie was perfect, but the diary was way overboard....subject to paranoia.  It is sad that someone can get away with that, even though the courts gave Bonnie a victory, I don't think she would ever see the money.  Bonnie, you can get freedom from this if you forgive and then move on.  Material things will not make the hurt go away.  Get this guy out of your life completely.

I think both were a little loonie, but i believe charlie. If Dr Phil wanted to really show the trueth, he could have dug into the store security camera or looked for the aid's section in the papers.  Charles may need help but bonnie needs to help more.  He is just a stuborn immature guy and I think he knew he wouldn't get a fair shake in court or on Dr Phil.  He did act foolish though, but I believe him. I know a few people like bonnie. 

I wish Dr. Phil had actually gotten to the TRUTH.  So what he kept a diary. It wasn't even clear in the show if he distributed it to piles of people or just a few.  Nothing was answered.  You can't say he must be wrong because a jury said he was wrong, because the courts are FAR from flawless. The poor guy didn't even have a lawyer.

It's funny, but some of the things said in the show remind me of what my parents said about each other when I was a kid. My mother walking hand in hand with her lawyer into court. My father not having a lawyer. The judge had decided the case before my father got a chance to speak.  I was sent with my mother,  mean while she was just like Charlie claims Bonnie was. She had REAL mood swings based on wheather. She would get stressed out and just leave me alone and when she remarried my step father had to deal with those crazy mood swings every winter. By the end of the winter you had to walk on egg shells.

Anyway I wish the truth had come out  AND both parties moved on, but I believe charlie just based on my own experience with some people.  I'd love to be proven wrong though. Some will just lie and lie and lie no matter how much proof you have and women get away with MURDER and just about everything else in western society.

 
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October 20, 2007, 11:15 am PDT

10/19 Suing for Love

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Yeah, that guys is totally crazy. His body was pushed way back in the chair, and when he answered Dr. Phil, he looked up to the ceiling the whole time. He's dangerous. I worked in law firms for years, slander is when people say things that are not true about you that ruin your life or destroy your reputation and character, and libel is when someone puts the stuff in writing. Libel is obviously much easier to prove than slander, because it is right there in writing. The fact that she didn't have AIDS and he put in writing and distributed to other people that she did, she was well within her rights to sue him. She would have been awarded a much larger judgement had she had a better lawyer, if her and him were wealthy the judgement would have been in the 100,000s. But, the guy is a loser, totally broke. I think she is concerned he may try to kill her. The guy is spun and I am glad Dr. Phil had him on the show, at least they have something on tape in case anything happens to the women. This is a legal matter, completely different than the women wanting to sue when their husbands want another woman.

His body language was childish. I know a few grown men like that, especially if you put them in a situation they think they can't possibly get a fiar shake in. 

 

I seem to recall from the show that he said her boyfriend had aids and she had been exposed to HIV which wasn't a lie. He could have been telling the truth about every little thing in that book.

 

I know a guy who recorded his wifes affair and was going to mail that to her church. Had it not been recorded and he simply wrote down that he caught her it would be LIBEL? It could be the truth.

Either way the guy seriously acted imature. I don't know how I would act up on stage like that myself. I would probably turn beat red and lock up and look like a lune myself.

 
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October 20, 2007, 11:20 am PDT

10/19 Suing for Love

Quote From: goodlifent90

I think Dr. Phil sounded biased against Charles. When he spoke to him or about him, he sounded harsh. He did not use the same tone of voice with Bonnie.

i think the journal was Charles own way of keeping in touch with his life; some people do that when they have poor memories. If that is the case, of course he probably wrote things that a judge wouldn't like ot hear. It was very strange that Charles looked up at the ceiling when Dr. Phil asked him certain questions but that just indicated to me that he had a difficult time with certain aspects of the relationship and situation. I thought Bonnie was more bizarre looking/acting than Charles.  It would have been more interesting if Dr. Phil had questioned Bonnie more intensively. I don't care what the judge or Dr. Phil thought of Charles. I think he had been abused by Bonnie through the lawsuit and I think he should get a good lawyer and counter sue or appeal the previous decision. His writings were his and he did not publish them.

Good post. I agree.

 

I have noticed Dr. Phil is almost always hard and negative towards men on his show. I don't know if this comes from his fans being mostly women or what. Even shows where a guy is up there and he is obviously the victum, I can not help but wonder had the genders been reversed what would happen.

 
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October 20, 2007, 11:24 am PDT

10/19 Suing for Love

Quote From: sensible1

Ref Dawn and the suing for alienation of affection.

 

Women , you place too much blame or accountability on the other woman/women, thus excusing their weak, wussy, unfaithful husband.  You're in denial--he's definitely guilty too!!

 

SUE IF:

 

1) It is absolutely beyond a resonable doubt that she came on to your husband, enticed him, chased him, etc.--first.  In other words if she initiated the affair, and while knowing of his marital status.

 

2) The other woman is hateful, harrasses you and/or your family, calls you, continues to call him if he tells her to stop, threatens to expose the affair to his parents, boss, pastor, stalks you, etc.  Ref stalking or harrassing, call the police so you have a police report to take to court with you.  Get a restraint order if necessary.

 

3)  Especially if he divorces you and marries the other woman!!!  You can get at him where it hurts--his finances--through her.  BTW, during the divorce, get a good lawyer, so you and your children are not left high and dry financially.  If you have been married for many years, or even if you have no children, he still owes you.  Suing her will get him, and she'll think twice before she goes with another married man, especially in a state that has that law on the books.

 

'Nuff said...

3)  Especially if he divorces you and marries the other woman!!!  You can get at him where it hurts--his finances--through her.  BTW, during the divorce, get a good lawyer, so you and your children are not left high and dry financially.  If you have been married for many years, or even if you have no children, he still owes you.  Suing her will get him, and she'll think twice before she goes with another married man, especially in a state that has that law on the books.

 

This crap right here has to stop. It has to stop being promoted on TV, Radio and everywhere else.  Vengful women going after money is way too acceptable. Women beating men is way too acceptable in this society. You can not be trusted to be rational in a break up after a statement like this. You are an abuser of the family law system and an abuser in general.

 
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October 20, 2007, 11:37 am PDT

Spanking?

I am a bit confused by people getting upset about spanking. I personally have spanked and would spank again if it was a very very serious thing that could not be tolerated even once.  I have only done it a few times. I use the corner constantly and that seems to do the trick (although In my situation where they get none at their moms, they seem to hate coming to my house and being put in the courner constantly).

 

In nature animals always use external force to disipline.  I think it's the very simplest form of disipline and should not be taken away from parents as a tool. YES i agree there are better ways, but if it comes down to parents having no disipline in the house and spanking I take spanking. I know plenty of kids growing up who had NONE and did the most horrid things when I was visiting. Saying the f word to their parents and so on. Where as I was spanked, and I respected (possibly feared my mother) but I don't love her any less. She worked with what she knew, and I am glad she gave me displine. She did tend to go a bit overboared, but was a single mom and they tend to go overboard more anyway.

 

Anyway I don't think people should absolutly wipe out spanking as a form of disipline. It works in nature. It's the simplest form of it and it's better then nothing which is what a great deal of kids are getting now.  I am all for educating parents on how to do it other ways though!  I don't get why in HIGH SCHOOL there isn't a manditory parenting class. I really wish I had known a few things when I had my daughter not that I ever had to spank her. Just my boy a few times.

 
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October 20, 2007, 11:42 am PDT

Co-Parenting

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My 5 year old son often does not want to visit his father.  There is no legal visitation order in place we just usually set up a time.  My question is do I force him to go?  He ends up having fun while he is there and he had no good reasons as to why he doesn't want to go.  I usually leave it up to his father as to if he wants to force him to go since he is the one that will have to deal with it.  Any other ideas how to handle this?

Oh that is sad.  I think children of that age should not have a choice until they are maybe about 12 or so.

I learned in the for the sake of the children course that children often say one thing to one parent and another to the other. So perhaps your son is saying this because he doesn't want to hurt your feelings?

 

Why doesn't he want to go? Does he rationalize a reason or is it that there are no toys and stuff at his dads? I think your son deserves to have a relationship with his father. My X let my kids NOT come to see me a few times and it just about breaks my heart, and then when I do have them and got ot ake them home they cry and say they don't want to go home and that just about breaks my heart.  Anyway my opinion is that you should sent your son to spend time with his father until he is of an older age. 

 

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