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October 29, 2007, 2:38 pm PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

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I think the entire thing is rediculous. The mother should be ashamed of herself! Unfortunately its the child that ends up getting hurt the most, however i could only imagine how devistating it must have been to find out that the women you loved betray your trust, and duped you into fathering a child that was concieved during an affair. The biological father should be hunted down and made aware that he has a child. The biological father should be held financially responsible. However the man who raised the child should be held emotionally responsible for the child. Meaning he should continue to love and care for the child emotionally, but should NOT be held financially responsible.

How rediculous is this notion to begin with. Why should someone be punished for anothers descretions. If you cheat and become pregnant, you owe it to your spouse and yourself to be honest from the beginning. But more so you OWE IT TO YOUR CHILD to tell the truth! No matter how ashamed or guilty you feel, it can only get worse when the truth reaches the surface. And by then its too late!

You know what? I can not help feeling sorry for the  The biological father too. What if this man became unable to father children after this for some reason? It seems a great crime to keep this from him. My X (while having an affair) convinced me to get "fixed".  Then questions were raised when I caught her cheating about it not being the first time. I am simply too afraid to get tests done. I can't afford to have the procedure reversed (and it's not even close to 100% reversable anyway, i think it's 50% to 60%?). But deep down inside, I know I would want to have more children if I found out my son or daughter was not my biological child. I would love them no less, but I would still want to have more children too.

 

 

 
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October 30, 2007, 2:48 pm PDT

If you are Wealthy Just take a Baby? Even get Child Support?

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2 years after 2 children were born, 2 different women left my son a message and served him a summons that they needed his DNA.

 

For these 2 years, these women repeatedly denied my Son was the Father of these children and in fact he questoned these women repeatedly, because of the strong resemblance, they kept saying another man was their Father.

 

My son was taken to court, tested and after these beautiful children were already 2 1/2 years old, found he was indeed the Father of both children.  My son and our family feel cheated out of knowing these babies, they have Granparents that aren't theirs and now they are devestated, they have Grandparents they had never met that missed out on the most important loving, bonding time, in their life, and now they are so confused.  

 

The court ruled that my son was to pay 2 1/2 years back child support on both children or go to jail. I had to come up with thousands of dollars very quickly because he was deemed a deadbeat Dad even though these women obviously KNEW there was the possibiity that my Son was the childrens Father.

 

There was no recourse. There has to be justice, this is devestating to so many Families.

 

 I have recently lost my only son to a motorcycle accident and that is  why I am speaking out for him. He did get to see them a few times after we found out, but these children barely got to know their REAL Father before he died. The Mothers brought the chldren to the Funeral parlor where they were told that was their Father  lying in a coffin, what a terrible thing they have done to these children. 

 

These woman have now run right to social security to collect the benefit, which they will receive  a good amount of money monthly. I don't begrudge that they will receive help, I am happy for them and will help however I can, they are my Grandchildren.

 

I was angry that My son and I were cheated from knowing about these most beautiful children for those years.

 

Something has to be done and shame on the Attorney for saying what she is doing is right. How can she live with herself?

 

Wow. I feel for you. This is exactly what people like that lady lawyer (i can't recall her name) are fighting for. They are throwing out biological parents importance and rights. In Canada just recently a girl  broke up with her boyfriend, moved away. She was with child. She signed the child up for adoption (she didn't have to say who the father was, due to lieing and saying there was abuse). The father heard about it and imediatly wanted the option to raise his child. The adoption agency stalled the case long enough that the courts said "in the best interest of the child" the baby should stay with the adoptive parents and NOT the biological father. They even took child support from him.

 

As I said in another post. We are very close to wealthy people just taking children away because of women like that lawyer.

 

This sound almost too crazy to believe?

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/saskatchewan/story/2007/01/29/custody.html

 

http://glennsacks.com/blog/?page_id=916

 

HOW ABOUT A SHOW ABOUT THIS STUFF?

 

DIDN'T WANT TO BOTHER HITTING THE LINK? HERE IS THE JUDGES REASON VIA NEWS.

 

"It is clear that they present an environment that will best provide for his health, education, emotional well-being, opportunity for training and economic and intellectual pursuits," Smith said.

 

 

 

 

 
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October 30, 2007, 2:52 pm PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

Quote From: fromthesquare

I guess that Gloria Allred touched a lot of nerves.  You make a very valid point.  For years we have dogged after dead beat dads.  This appears to be the other side of the coin.  It is equally immoral to me.   If it is true that 30% of births involve paternity fraud (which seems high) then certainly for the sake of the children we should not allow fraud to cause the pain it caused here.  Legislators will need to work on that.  If Dr. Phil has a follow up maybe he should pick a different attorney.  You think? 

Kathy

You have to be real careful about throwing that "dead beat dads" out there. It's thrown around way way way too much. Everyone is a dead beat dad according to many groups.  It's to the point that it's incredibly offensive to many people. The only real dead beat, is someone who doesn't support their children at all. Walks out. If a father is trying to do his best to help co-parent and does what he can financially, he is not a dead beat.  Unfortunatly they have labelled everyone as dead beats.
 
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September 1, 2008, 4:08 pm PDT

09/01 Custody Chaos

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this tape needs to go to the judge who is hearing this case and he needs to restrict Johns visitation. I do not blame Melissa for hiding. John is crazy. I have a friend that ran his house as a military house and to this day his kids refuse to see him or have anything to do for him.Is that what you want John? I think Melissa concerns for her safety and the childrens safety real. john seems to me very unstable. what are we going to wait till he has enough and then kills Melissa.

How can you judge how stable he is from that show? The whole family needs to be looked at.  That grandmother seems to be more unstable then any of them.

 

Even if he isn't a perfect parent, he should learn. Just because he isn't perfect doesn't mean he should not get to see his kids 50% of the time.  If they start taking kids away from anyone who isn't a perfect parent, well, i doubt many of us will still have kids.

 

"kills Melissa" well they should all get some counselling anyway, as it is concerning that he still apparently loves his x wife.

 

 
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September 1, 2008, 4:12 pm PDT

09/01 Custody Chaos

I wish DR Phil went into more history for these people when it's possible. It seemed to me that he sat back and just let them gang up on John.  I mean, she isn't working because she has to drive them to school? IF she lived closer that wouldn't be a problem. It's an excuse.  I found it interesting that they continously attacked him with opinions and outragious accusations (turning the granny pantie comment into a sexual thing was rediculas). At every turn they did this.

 

He simply pointed out facts in his case. She doesn't work and she chooses not to. Facts. He also owned up to everything that he agreed with. 

 

If I were the judge, i would seriously take all that into consideration.

 

Love to see these folks on again some time and see a great deal more shows like this on! 

 
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September 13, 2008, 8:27 am PDT

09/12 The N-Word Debate

Great show. I have to say, I am very impressed that someone has the guts to discuss the subject.

 

I'd also like to say that the comedian whom was speaking offended me (although I am not black).

 

She gave examples of how she would use the N word. It very clearly gave insight into how she thinks. What is reveals is that she sees color first, then the person. That is the kind of thinking that caused the very oppression she that many on the show were complaining about. When we can get past foolish color

issue then we will see people for people.

 

So it is offensive to me to hear someone say the sorts of things she said. The kids on her lawn, or with her partner. I don't know anyone who would ever say that or think that in those situation. If they were black, white, or purple, they would not say those things.

 

I also see this in the media constantly. If they are not being derogatory towards one group of people or another it's the one character in a film who loves to point out there people are white and people are black going on about what white people do and so on.  It's in too much of the media.

 

The above it just my opinion, but I get offended. I feel that If I were to meet these people, they would judge me based on my skin rather then who I am.

 

 
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September 13, 2008, 11:28 am PDT

09/12 The N-Word Debate

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The reason this word is still used is because it is acceptable somewhere.  If we want to eliminate the word, it must not be used at all, by anyone.  I for one would never use the word, my parents taught me back in the 50's never to use the word.  My parents taught me not to judge others based on anything other than their character.  I believe my parents taught me well.  I am "white."

 

I abhor the N word, along with many other words I frequently hear in society.  Why these words are used to get a point across is beyond me. 

 

We can't change history .  Slaves were brought to this country, and they were treated poorly.  Early Americans used slaves in ways slaves had never been used in other countries at the time.  Wthy was this allowed to go on at all?  Because it was deemed at the Vatican that blacks (Africans) did not have souls and that is why they could be used and abused like animals.  Why is that piece of history so obsure?  I don't blame my race for bringing slaves to America, I blame religion. 

 

 As for how I got to America?  I was born here, the same as black Americans were born here and are American citizens.  I had nothing to do with my ancestors decision to make the trip to America.  It was the luck of the draw, I suppose.  My ancestors came from Denmark, and had they stayed in Denmark, I would have been Danish instead.  My ancestors did not arrive untl after the Civil War, so I'm quite sure they had nothing to do with bringing slaves to America.

 

This is where the debate becomes offensive to me.  I had nothing to do with bringing slaves to America, and my ancestors did not have anything to do with the slave issue.  I believe slavery was a horrible thing, I cringe to think people were actually treated in the way slaves were treated.  This is a piece of history that cannot be ignored.  It should be studied and it should never be repeated.

 

Back to the issue.  Name calling by anyone is hurtful.  If we want to live in a peaceful society, name calling must end.  Hurtful words are hurtful.  There is no justification in perpetuating this behavior by anyone. The language in rap songs is the main reason I do not listen to rap music.  I like the beat, I don't like the words.

 

It would be wonderful if this debate could end forever and humans could move on.  It seems it would benefit the world in general if we could work towards peace.

 

 

 

 

 

Nicely said.

 

I'll say again, until everyone can see people first and stop seeing in black and white, this will go on.

I continue to see horried examples of people pointing out color first.  The folks on that panel (at least some of them) clearly indicated when they talk to people, first they see color, then they see a person. It's a real shame, as it's that thinking that allows racism to continue.

 

Many people were opressed and abused in history, Check out some history of how the Acadians were treated in Canada, or the Irish for that matter. Not taken in as slaved, just killed off in some cases.  We all need to start looking at people as people, and stop playing this color game. Using the N word only contributes to seeing color.

 

This is a little off topic, but I lived in a black community for  6 years a while back, and I exerpienced some pretty dread things (although I enjoyed learning about different cultures). I once got refused service at a restaraunt because i was white only a 20 minute drive from my own house.  Racism can exist in anyones heart and the more you think it's ok for you to use this vile word, the more you allow Racism to grow.

 

The second you mutter the word, you let everyone know that you see in black./white in my opinion.

 

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