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June 12, 2006, 8:02 am PDT

Right to be Wrong

Quote From: powers009

And that is your right to do so just as it is my right to vote my conscious. Just as I don't approve of some of the laws already on the books when given the opportunity I vote against them. I am given the right to vote as I see fit just as you are too and when the majority speaks that is the way the law is written even though some may personally oppose it.
OK, you have the right to be wrong. And I have the right to tell you that your ideas are mistaken and potentially devastating to those who have done nothing to harm you.
 
June 13, 2006, 8:20 am PDT

Because God said so...

Quote From: jayde287

Yes, but saying you'll take my word for it is just like saying you don't believe me. It's a condescending way to tell me I'm lying while you're trying to make it look like you're not saying that. 

  

And why do I need "healing"? I am not broken. I am a strong, independant, loving, nurturing woman. And I don't see anything wrong with that! 

  

  

It all boils down to the fact that the anti-gay crusade is based on a prejudice that no one is willing to own up to. They can't tell you why they consider same sex relationships to be wrong, and they never come up with any evidence that a person hurts anyone by being gay. All I have ever seen them do is hide behind the word of God. Their only argument is "because God said so". They never have the integrity to admit that THEY feel uncomfortable with "homosexuality", so they conveniently defer their own judgement to God, as they proclaim it to be a sin. How convenient for them. You hit the nail on the head when you called them on that. 

 
June 13, 2006, 8:51 am PDT

Unnatural Heterosexual

Quote From: hazel_eyes

  

why is normal better than abnormal?  why is natural better? 

  

definition of unnatural per American Heritage Dictionary; 

  

In violation of a natural law.  

  1. Inconsistent with an individual pattern or custom.
  2. Deviating from a behavioral or social norm: an unnatural attachment.
  3. Contrived or constrained; artificial:
  4. In violation of natural feelings; inhuman.

Websters Dictionary definition of unnatural; 

  

1 : not being in accordance with nature or consistent with a normal course of events
2 a : not being in accordance with normal human feelings or behavior : PERVERSE b : lacking ease and naturalness : CONTRIVED <her manner was forced and unnatural> c : inconsistent with what is reasonable or expected <an unnatural alliance>
 

  

the anus was not made for sex.  It can damage the sphincter muscle, its unclean because its loaded with bacteria, it can be painful for most people, a tear can leave it open to terrible infection, the vigorous thrusting that may occur during anal intercourse can tear the mucous membrane which can develop into an anal abscess, create a fissure that needs surgical repair, hemorrhoids (piles) could result from vigorous anal sex, and so on. 

  

my argument never failed, only your willingness to accept the obvious. 

I hope that other heterosexuals, like myself on this forum, find this caricature of gay sex offensive. I believe that the vast majority of us heteros have done every unnatural act that is being attributed same sex partners. So let's get graphic. I have had anal sex with women. I have had oral sex as well. I've also used a condom which is against my Catholic upbringing. I have also masterbated, and have had vaginal sex with a couple women who have stimulated their own clitoris during coitis. Geez, you would think that most heteros are abnormal by this standard. Now this is the crux of the matter... these evangelists are just as judgemental about the proper way for us heteros to engage in sex, as they are about homosexuality,  and I bet some of them would love to re-enforce sodomy laws that are on the books (but never enforced). 

  

Another irony is evident from this post. Lesbians are among the few people who have never had anal sex . They are also less likely to get or transmit AIDS. By that standard, I should think that they are among the least unnatural of us all. 

  

  

 
June 13, 2006, 8:59 am PDT

Honest Response

Quote From: kamara

I can't believe what i'm hearing!! Christian or not - it doesn't matter!! No person should be GAY. It is totally wrong. Although in many places it has come acceptable it is still toatally gross and should  NOT be happening. If every one was gay then our future would be screwed!! Its not right and never will be!! 
This is one of the most honest responses yet for the anti-gay crusade. At least we have a person who admits to finding gay sex "gross", without hiding behind the word of God. I wish others would be as upfront about their personal prjudices. Then there would be no doubt about the bigotry involved.
 
June 13, 2006, 9:13 am PDT

End of the natural family.

Quote From: powers009

Sin is an issue period. I know that it seems to be an issue very much highlighted by the media and by some people also. It could be because when a child says they are homosexual the family sees it as an end to the life they had hoped for their child IE grandchildren. I know they can adopt and adoption is great but it is still not their biological child. Also I know about artificial insemination but there is still lack of a father here. And many of you will probably say what is so good about a father and I say to that if you have had a good father then you tell me. Homosexuality is just seen as the end to natural family.
Look how this issue is framed in terms of what is considered "natural". This is another smoke screen for personal prejudice, just like the issue of "sin" has been. What if an only son decides to become a priest? There goes the family lineage. My dad got remarried at the age of 80 to a woman in her 60s (he likes younger women). Now that marriage is about as "fruitful" as any gay marriage would be. Does that make his relationship unnatural? If I got married to a menopausal woman, would that be be an unnatural family? I also had a vasectomy, so I suppose any heterosexual relationship I get into will be the end of the natural family for me.
 
June 13, 2006, 10:47 am PDT

Lighten Up

Quote From: hazel_eyes

  

i was honest with my feelings of it being unnatural and strange, but was also blasted for being honest with my feelings.  cant win for losing on this board. 

Lighten up. None of us can openly proclaim our true feelings & thoughts on a controversial topic,  in a public forum,  without being blasted for airing our views.
 
June 13, 2006, 8:38 pm PDT

Gay stereotype

Quote From: purplepain

This isn't purely about sexual relief. It's about partnering and companionship and making a family. Most homosexuals will tell you that those things are also not fulfilled in a heterosexual relationship.
This is an excellent point. It addresses the predominant gay stereotype of promiscuity. It is also a way to dehumanize same sex couples by ignoring that there could be something else between them beside sex for its own sake. And it is exactly what is implied whenever the term, "gay lifestyle", is used. I can't emphasize that too much. Whenever I hear someone talk about the "gay lifestyle" I know that they are just using an innocent euphemism for irresponsible sexual promiscuity, without having to say what they really mean.
 
June 14, 2006, 8:50 am PDT

Who is God?

Quote From: ykz_pilot

It's too bad you don't put more emphasis on what God says on the subject, instead of homosexual propoganda.  If you reject the Bible, and what Jesus taught, then fine.  Do what you will, but to claim to be a Christian and reject the teachings of Jesus because you want to continue to live a life of sin is hypocrisy. 

  

Jesus spoke often on the family.  Always in the context of a man and a woman.  Always enforced this monogamy for life.  He spoke often about the perversions of sex (outside of marriage) and the God ordained marriage not the farce done in the name of He who called homosexuality a perversion.   

  

Throughout scripture New Testament and the Original Testament ... homosexuality is condemned and since God is the same yesterday today, and forever - it always will be to those who are Godly people. 

  

Many people live perverted sexual lives.  Premarital sex is just as evil as homosexual sex or beasiality or pedophelia.  They are equally harmful and outside of God's plan for His children.  Of course you don't hear single people claiming people who disagree with their choices are "forniphobic".  The reason people made up the meaningless term homophobic is because they don't want people to disagree with them.  It is sheer politics.  Claiming a lie does not make truth. 

  

Look at the many people who have conquered the sexual addiction of homosexuality.  Look at Dack Rambo, the actor.  He was saved, and after experiencing a relationship with Jesus, he repented of his homosexual choices (his words), started "Dack Rambo Ministries" in an effort to help people out of the bondage of homosexuality.  He died of AIDS, but he is now in Glory.  Not because he was a good person, but because he was born from above, and he repented of his sin.  He is a true role model for people caught in the homosexual bondage.  Also, look to other organizations that free people, and are run by ex-homosexuals.  Look to "Love Won Out" and Exodus International.   

  

God loves all men, and all women.  Those who claim to love Him but reject His teaching are, as scripture said, liars.  He doesn't ask you to be perfect.  He asks you to "go and sin no more".  And most importantly ... scrpture is clear that if you CONDONE sin, that you are guilty of it yourself.  So all those people who say that a woman has the right to choose to kill her baby, they are guilty of killing that baby themselves.  There are no sidelines to stand on.   

  

Those who think you can be a "non-practicing" homosexual are misled.  Your temptations do NOT define who you are.  If that were the case then almost every man on the planet would have to call himself a non-practicing adulterer or non-practicing fornicator, or non-practicing rapist.  Nonsense. 

  

God calls His children to Holiness.  Not pervertedness.  

  

   

And here we have yet another long-winded sermon about what God thinks and what God wants us to do. And the only justification people have for telling us what the word of God is, comes from an ancient book written by people who thought the sun revolved around the earth, and that God made Adam by breathing into a handful of mud. Why should anyone with any common sense take the writtings of such a book so literally, that it trumps their own heart? This is a clueless response to an incredibly heart wrenching personal story. How can one take such a cold-hearted attitude and euphemistically refer to it as the will of God? If there is any validity to Christianity, it must speak through the heart - not through the superstitions of an ancient collection of scriptures. 

  

BTW, I will not waste time & energy commenting on the disgusting attitude displayed by comparing gay relationships to bestiality, pedophilia, fornication, sexual addiction or perversion. It is impossible to argue with this level of ignorance, especially after having read a heartfelt account of a loving relationship that was supported by a loving family, instead of being demonized or met with the chill of social isolation, as I have seen with so many gay couples. 

 

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