Messages By: susan876

Some families appear alright but the spouses are slaming each other and the children are in

depression ,drink and are ill from hitting. Violence causes a lot of rage, hate people who do

spouses and scream. (At all levels) I've been attacked so much by sadistic ones that standing up is important. Absolutes in that area prevent escaletions to overkill.

If you know its bad with a lot of groups for generations it's important to stand against violence.

The other side is more aggressive. They attack more, not on this site necessarily. Details

incite people . The rare group is probably the occasional smack group. It's addictive.

To personally support all opinions is to take no stand, or provide a forum for all. The

other group can't be changed anyway. Your being who you are isn't a attack on them

except when they attack you continually and you reply. How about that study that excluded

most of the people I've encountered for years. Wasn't much point. There are a lot of sadistic books

out. Trip into deep water and drive insane hitting. cults-speed users-extreme religions-I hope

its not a large group.I haven't found violence parents that responsible myself-too many.

Prevented Medical care for Power etc.  Most of us have hit once but that isn't the main Pro spank

group. 

parents don't spank because their child is difficult but by their upbringing.

Those from spankers often can't be satisfied and drum up a wild child.

My uncles and aunts were hit with sticks and some with fists. One hit

her husband with a bat and was so mean her children ranaway and one became

a sadio-masic suicide. One ranaway became a drunk and commited suicide.

One periodically bloodlyed up hers who became a druggie child molester.

Another raped and one icepick killed someone. They were affection starved

from violence and and driven to violent behavior by spankings. A lot were destroyed emotionally

and mentally for years. At all levels of violence for three generations they were drove crazy by it.

I've never seen occasional hitters or control from it. Friends and neighbors who

were like that had kids who lost half their brain to drugs. Several hundred people

spouse bashed raved and then drugged kids they ruined. One of the soninlaws

hits up and down his kids backbone with his fist.A lot of it was within so called

common treatment of children from prospankers.

 It is addictive for displacing rage and the hell with the child.

I really don't understand you either(mixed messages). I spent years trying to recover from

so called spankings. Generations with less Hitting screamed and did spousal and their children

were crazy and drank from depression, from so called spanking. At all levels violence destroys people because

it shuts out positive and affection and trust. Children 1 to 5 Are hit a lot and prevented expressing

emotions because they weren't allowed to survive that way. By 4 a lot of children are destroyed in various ways.  At all levels I saw no good just bad. Do you mean a smack or hitting with objects?

I also saw a lot of much worse. Some do better than others but  and there are too many to promote it. I only trust non-violence. I know spanking reguarly destroys people in bad ways. Accumulated

destriction emotionally and mentally and pain for years. You shut it out. Sometimes because

you are treated better other times because of rage -power-revenge on the next generation.

So we are different, I only agree, that non violent parents occasionly smack rarely. The others within the law,

systematically,destroy people  mentally and pretend it isn't harmful. We have very little common ground. I see people attacking others as too easy while their groups are beyond belief.

What you consider abuse is a large group out there and is not legislated against. I think people should speak out against violence it zips too other levels and people from it are not the most

controlled people.

I believe what those here consider abusers ,is perhaps the larger group out there and there is no legislation. And that you also consider children more indestructive than they are. I also saw

it regularly ruin the adult  lifes and the next groups, too often, to believe in overlooking it.

You just have too stand for survival and making good people,  without using you as a bad example.

Too many ruthless from violence. I also realize that people come from different places and

don't always see what goes on or the impact. I am being attacked by the abusers a lot now.

I realize that this site supports all groups and sometimes doesn't know who they really are.

I am too detailed  only wishing to provide examples, why It is important to be nonviolent. It

can be depressing and you would wish to discount it so I'll try not to come on too much.

I put two many messages because I couldn't find them for a while. Are you parents on here

or Dr Phil's staff? Any on here who are opposed to spankings but polite to those who are for?

I am being bullied by abusers(who like screaming from kids)and try to stuff hitting to those

who have seen too much sadism and creaps made by it. I consider it responsible to be against

it and say why in detail. (Depressing I know)But people need support those who know it is bad and

others, are just told it improves children's behavior and not about the real control problems

and destruction from it. Agreeing with everyone is wishy washy. There is a place for anti-spank also.

I personally realize ,that is hard for anyone to survive at all, with the violence legal and illegal

out there. Children aren't for displacing rage and absorbing all that violence. Well

if you don't respond, I Think I won't I've said too much for a  get along type forum.

I'm being attacked by a sadistic group who I stood up to here. You obviously consider  

beating with hard objects til children scream to be spankings. I saw people who didn't  

hit that hard destroy people and ruin them. A lot of people too. So you are either ignorant  

of large groups of people or are sadists wh rationalize the real impact ,now or in the future.  

I'm 60 and never saw any control from it just the Adult lives ruined and entirely often.   

Have some of you changed your views or are you different ones now.  Lying about the  

impact harms a lot of people. People have actially criminally neglected and left children  

with felons a lot in the last few years. They could do better there but violence is not what you  

pretend. It is mostly destroying children mentally or brutalizing physically.  They need  

drugs after you tramatize them and prevent communication of emotional statis.   

This may be a get a long board but your group in the real world are sadists. When they   

get drunk they hit on people including spouses with boards. They are Powermad manic harrassers.  

I never found a level that was fit to do. Shame on you for lying in such tramatizing areas.   

The creaps actially discuss how to scare kids out of their mind for perfect control.( to drugs or crime). Well if this group is promoting violence as harmless they like to beat people for pleasure  

so it isn't my group. No human feeling group be dammed!   

All of the children over the years I dealt with, who were disciplined by spanking behaved  

like the people's above. I found it made permanent wild children. The parents would criticize  

others for having better sense while theirs became meaner and they would blame their behavior    

on treating them to well, to protect violence's reputation. So I don't assume children are treated  

nonviolently if they misbehave.  

Discipling children is important but a lot are ruined by people hitting them and making   

relentless out of control ones, that they ignore because they haven't any control left.  

I know many who stuffed it to others and drugged theirs later over three generations.   

The rougher treated the more unmanagable they became. It does mean you don't control  

them but I don't always assume it is treating to well.  

I AM COMING ON STRONG BUT SO MANY HITLER DEMON SPOUSE-BASHERS WERE  

MADE WITH CRIMINAL CONTEMPT FOR ALL LIFE ON EARTH, BY VIOLENCE, THAT RESPECTING  

THEM IS CONTEMPT FOR DECENT PEOPLE, WHO MEAN NO HARM TO OTHERS. IT  

MAKES IT AWFULLY HARD TO SURVIVE IF YOUR NOT A MONSTER. THAT WAS AT ORANGE  

AND RED LEVELS. TOO MANY FOR ME TOO PROMOTE VIOLENCE. WHY AREN'T THERE ANY  

NONVIOLENCE PEOPLE ON THIS SITE AND WHY DO YOU ASSUME CHILDREN WHO ARE  

BAD ARE TREATED NON-VIOLENTLY. I NEVER FOUND THAT TO BE TRUE. PEOPLE RUINED  

THEM AND THEN IGNORED EVERYTHING THEY DID PRETENDING THEY WERE TREATED  

TO WELL. THE ADULTS ATE THEIR SPOUSES AND ALWAYS BASHED THEM, WERE SCREAMERS  

AND BULLED CHILDREN WHO BEHAVED, AS WIMPS. VIOLENCE IS NOT ONLY OVERRATED  

BUT A HORRIBLE VICE. THE ADULTS HAD RAGE PROBLEMS THAT RUINED EVERYONE. NIGHTMARE