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December 21, 2007, 8:49 am PST

Splendor in the Grass

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I'm clapping for you and know exactly where you are coming from.

I'maturity has no definate age.

And I will go out on a limb here and say it's a lot easier to pick a mate if you're not 30 years old with a long list of criteria.:)

40 years and counting:)

   What are you supposed to do when you are 16 years old and you are already dating Mr. Right?  As odd as it sounds, it happens and it is a nightmare.  I am not talking about dating some immature teenage boy.  I am talking about someone very special, a "one in a hundred thousand."  I know, because I was there, too.

   I wound up "doing the right thing," breaking up with him and keeping "my honor" intact.  I did the right thing, and I wandered through the rest of my life more unhappy than I would have been if I hadn't been such a coward.  My parents approved of the breakup.  His parents approved of the breakup.  And I didn't understand that doing the "right thing" would make me more unhappy.         

 
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December 23, 2007, 10:43 am PST

12/24 Nasty Neighbors

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My family and I have lived in our Long Island neighborhool slightly over two years...we LOVE our new home and FINALLY have room to breathe (we previously lived in a 900 sq. ft. "shoebox" for 6 years...a little TOO close for comfort for a family of three, two Labs and 1 cat!).  Anyhoo...my family and I are the type of people who, for the most part, keep to ourselves and mind our own business, yet I do wave to my neighbors or chat for a few minutes at the mailboxes on occasion and will even take in mail, newspapers, etc., when requested.  HOWEVER there is one family a few doors down who has alienated pretty much EVERY ONE on the block!  They have called the cops to complain (most recently on US this past February when they felt that our 16-yr. old son had too many friends over our house to "hang"), filed complaints on others with the Town, made idle threats (even went as far as approaching another neighbor's property brandishing baseball bats FOR NO APPARENT REASON), "talks trash" about others (including us) behind backs and pretty much thinks they "own" the block (even though they're NOT homeowners!).  The main culprit of this brood (we'll call him "Kenny K") is the patriarch and the splitting image of Charles Manson!!!  Needless to say, Kenny K's a little bit PSYCHOTIC & scary!  This past summer, someone bashed one of our car windows overnight and even though Kenny K was THE FIRST person who came to mind who would be capable of doing such a thing (we later found out that it wasn't him, but a former trouble-maker school friend who our son no longer "hangs" with); even the local police officer, who came to our house to investigate the matter, when asked if we had problems with any neighbors and my husband mentioned Kenny K. replied "You mean "the CRAZY one?"!!  Kenny K. is the type of person who attemps to be "Mr. Community"...every  year his family sets up quite the impressive Halloween Haunted House display (the downside of this is that it brings kids over in droves who "egg" and spray shaving cream on other properties), and every single weekday morning he's outside like a (obnoxious) "cheerleader" when the school buses pick up his and other children.  However, he's underhanded; nice to your face but will STAB you in the back in a heartbeat when you're not looking; he can't be trusted!

 

Another neighbor who is becoming a problem lives right next door.  They leave their two dogs (a vicious Pitt-mix and Presa Canario) out the ENTIRE day (from 7AM); whenever I let my two Labs out in our backyard several times/day to "do their business"  (they won't stay out unless we're out there with them) the barking/carrying on between the two sets of dogs begins and it's only a matter of time before their aging, shoddy stockade fence dividing the two properties collapses and those two dogs get into our yard AGAIN...they've already broken through once several months ago; fortunately I let my dogs inside in time before they were attacked!  I've approached this neighbor THREE times  nicely  about resolving this matter and their attiude is that WE should keep OUR dogs away from that side of OUR yard and that the little Pitt-mix" is "harmless"!  Three strikes; they're OUT I'll eventually take pictures of the conditon of their fence from our side and report it to the Town and let THEM handle the matter.

 

As much as I LOVE our new home and community amenities, I'm slowly getting to the point of unhappiness/disharmony and it's only a matter of time before we pack up and move AGAIN (much to my husband's dismay).  I'd rather it NOT come to this!

 

OXO
Lucy B.

   Go ahead and take your pictures.  It's the only way to accomplish anything.  Talking nicely to them anymore won't work!  You will have to go to court and find out whose responsibility it truly is.

 

    I don't own dogs, but my neighbors do.  Last spring, I wound up in court.  I was cited for abusing my neighbor's dogs.  They had three Labs.  The city has a regulation that only 2 dogs may reside on each property, due to its size.  Otherwise, you must have kennel license--and live outside city limits.  This regulation is fair to the owners and their dogs.

     I wanted to be a good, non-complaining neighbor.  It became impossible.  The dogs favorite sport was excessively barking and jumping up on the fence--which was only about 4 feet tall.  Every time I opened the back-door, this happened.  I was uneasy in my own backyard feeding the wild birds and the squirrels.  Sometimes, they attacked because I walked  into the kitchen because that's where the back-door is located. 

    I was cited for throwing the container for the squirrel food at the fence. ( I can't hit anything)  It didn't land on their property.  But the neighbor came out and made an obscene gesture.  I responded as unladylike as she had.  The courtroom laughed and laughed because I answered the direct question.  (The judge thought it was funny because this was the only case he heard all day not involving drugs or alcohol)  By then, the charges had been reduced from dog abuse to disturbing the peace.

      I was found not guilty because the law in my state requires the presence of children for foul language to be considered disturbing the peace.  I explained to the prosecuting attorney that at the time of my alleged public disturbance that the dogs were barking so loudly that I was guessing every other word my neighbor said.  "She may or may not have heard me, but I suppose she could read my lips well enough to get my meaning, mighty fine." 

         

 
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December 25, 2007, 8:12 am PST

Easy to be Hard

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I just read most of the posts in this topic, and I really think many of the oppinions are very simplistic, and unrealistic. I'm not talking about this case, but just in general: Why is it that everybody eagerly wants to blame one person? We should not think of children as naive little creatures that do not have brains or feelings.

I think that someone who tries to break a marriage by seducing a married man or women is doing something that is wrong, period. If that person is a teenager it doesn't suddenly make things right. But, on the other hand, is the teanager to be blamed or punnished for this? That's another question... Everybody knows that teenagers often lose control of there feelings, so things can get pretty complicated. That's why children cannot be held responsible for all of their acts,  and that's where it ends. But seducing a married man will always be wrong!  It shows disrespect to the whole family that is envolved.

What I also noticed was that according to some people, women are always the victims... I regret the fact that this is what everybody thinks, I know lots of guys who have been cheated on by their wives, sometimes the stories were at least as moving as the ones I read here. Cheating is plain wrong: it hurts people, it can destroy lives, so someone who cheats should realise what he or she has done and take the consequences of his or her actions. 
"Once a cheater, always a cheater": Not entirely true, I say... I'm sure that people sometimes do things that they don't want to do, and don't realise it at the time. I really think that sometimes the cheater gets hurt too, and this scar might cause him or her to never do such thing again. Should they be forgiven? I reckon that's up to the couple to discuss, not us.

 

I really hope that people would choose a partner and stick with that person! Your luck is mostly in your own hands, don't always blame it on others if you don't feel good! Instead, try to work things out!

 

   Everybody eagerly wants to put the blame on one person because it is easier.  It appeals to the martyr in all of us.  It is simple to exonerate someone with a "if only the other guy would . . ."  Taking responsibility for own actions is difficult.   Also, it is much easier way of excusing ourselves for our own inactions.  "If only he would be the faithful husband that he promised to be when we were married" is much easier than coming to terms with the fact that you do not trust not trust him and the marriage has ended. 

 

    I've been there and done that.

 

   She wants to live in a pleasant place, a fantasy where she has a happy home and a good marriage.  She doesn't particularly care for reality.  What she wants is much more pleasant than what she has.  She clings to the fantasy because she can not face the reality. 

 
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December 30, 2007, 8:54 pm PST

01/02 No Kidding New Year's Resolutions

Quote From: pinkcadillac08

For the young lady who weighs 375, my only question is this:  Do you believe you are worth more than a Big Mac?  Do you LOVE yourself enough to stop driving to a restaurant who is only interested in taking your hard-earned money and has no vested interest in your health.  McDonald's menus is the biggest joke on the planet.

Is it easy?  No.  If it was easy, everyone would be thin.

I feel your pain, but I also have realized that I am worth more than a $3.00 hamburger. I cannot wait to lose the 120 pounds that keeps me from realizing MY DREAMS and MY GOALS.  I began exercising at home with a couple of 5 lb hand weights, walking around the block in the morning after I take my daughter to the bus stop, and doing simple muscle building exercises in the comfort of my own home.  There are no gym memberships in my budget this year.

I know you can do this.  Buy yourself something pretty today; a new dress, a new top, some jewelry, even a purse.  Love yourself enough to become the woman you know you deserve to be.  You are a Child of the Most High God; let Him help you!

With love & Belief,

Gina

 

   I work at Wendy's.  Two days ago, a rotund mother waddled up to our counter.  She had brought her kids in for dinner.  I made the mistake of asking if the oldest boy wanted a kid's meal.  That's a small hamburger, a few fries, and a small drink--enough for any 10-year-old.  It was his mother who became  indignant.  "He needs a Baconator combo, super sized."

   I ordered it because it is not my place to argue with people. 

  They are responsible for their own choices.

   Be patient with your weight loss program.  Since you didn't gain 120 pounds all in one day, you aren't going to lose it all in one day, either.  It'll take as loooooong as it's gonna take.  I'm glad to hear you are beginning a exercise program--gym membership or not.  (I watch Daily Workout with Denise Austin on Lifetime)     

 
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January 5, 2008, 8:27 pm PST

01/09 When to Call it Quits

Quote From: becciebeth2

Before anyone considres "quitting" a maariage, I think they need to look at some major issues. Were they really, truely, giving this marriage their all? Where has all this hatered been festering? There is always a deep root to these issues. I believe they need to find that root first, before making such a radical decision, that is going to effect more people than they think. No one can truely be happy in life until they realize that life comes with emotional pain and anxiety. It all stems from the stories we've told  ourselves from the moment of birth. They work for awhile, but there comes a time when you have to put your big girl (boy) pants on and find the real answers to these issues. When you take a vow in marriage, I don't feel either party should "quit" until they have investigated their complete inner being. Looking forward to Wednesday.

    Were they really, truly giving this marriage their all?  That's a rheotorical question.  You don't want to hear the answer.  I believe that a marriage is a relationship, and when one party is giving their all--it still isn't enoug to make a better relationship.  It too easily descends into "filling in the blanks." 

     Finding the deep roots of the problem will only postpone the inevitable.  

     I stayed in a bad marriage far longer than I should have.  I tried to make it work.  And, I tried.  And, I tried.  I had six excellent reasons to beome a divorcee.  I stayed because I would try to do what was right--even when I knew it was hopeless.    

 
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January 6, 2008, 6:25 am PST

Lord, it's hard to be humble

    when you are perfect in every way.

    I can't wait to look in the mirror

    'cause I get better looking

    each day.

    Some folks tell me I'm egotistical

    and I don't even know

    what that means.

     I guess it has something to do with the way

     that I fill out my skin tight blue jeans.

 

     Oh yes, I have had the displeasure of watching The Bachelor.  It is a show empathizing a feminine competition for the perfect man. The producers even drag the bachelor's family into it.  And, he asks for his mother's help choosing that ideal girl for him to propose to at the end of the show.  The "poor boy" whines about his plight. 

     And now, he has the audacity to promote his book. 

     He had his own agenda, also.    

 

   

 
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January 6, 2008, 12:23 pm PST

Just the facts, 'mam.

Quote From: billiegray

What I like best about  Dr. Phil is that his "experts" don't pound the table. They just say,"this is what I see, and this may work better." I am a New York divorce lawyer, and daily I talk with people who want ideas about what they may be dong wrong, and what may work better. Labeling and judgment are an unfortunate fact of life. But some amount of generalizing is necessary. if we can't gather a set of human traits and give them a name and discuss what may work badly for them or may work well,  there could be no field of psychology - or a number of others. I hope Dr. Stork offers something of value to me, and that I can pass along to my divorce clients.

   

     Why would you advise them about what they are doing wrong in their marriages?  If you are their divorce lawyer, be their divorce lawyer.  Sticking with the facts is hard enough when she is so emotionally involved.  If she needs a professional therapist, tell her.  (You are working for a lot more money an hour than any therapist.  She is wasting her money spilling her guts out to you)

 
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January 8, 2008, 2:51 pm PST

01/08 Cyber Bullies

Quote From: anyacat

One of the issues that jumps out at me is the mother's response when Megan went to her mom for help. Instead of listening and offering suggestions, mom essentially told her daughter that by spending time on MySpace, she got what she deserved. And understanding mom at that moment would have made the difference.

Of course, the other important issue is the bully. Since we can no longer expect people to treat each other with respect, perhaps we should try to legislation curbs on our freedom of speech. Legislators who depend on public opinion for re-election are the first to jump on a bandwagon that in this case will reduce our basic freedom to freely express our opinion.

The knee jerk reaction is to do for the quick fix without looking at long term effects. There are civil actions the family can take that will hold the perpetrators responsible.

Teens are at a fragile state in their development. Unless we are willing to equip them to deal effectively with what is essentially an unfair world, we will have a whole generation of babies who seek legislation as a response to every bad thing in their lives.

There is no doubt that the adults who harassed Megan thought they were doing what is right for their child. But we cannot allow morally bereft individuals to determine what we can and cannot say on the Internet. However, why hadn't Tina properly prepared her daughter to deal in a more positive way with changing relationships?

There is no reason why current stalking and harassment laws cannot be expanded to include Internet without writing new legislation that will absolutely effect our First Amendment Right to free speech.

 

      Give her Mom a break.  She has to live with this herself.  It must be awful . . .  

 
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January 9, 2008, 8:44 am PST

A kindred spirit!

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I have been in the couples shoes.  I was married for twenty years.  I fell in love with my ex because he gave me attention, spoiled me and seemed to have a lot of money.  I was a dependent women at the time and thought this man could give me the support I needed.  He gave me lots of promises about building a house, about having nice cars and being a great family.

Well to make a story short.  His parents passed away after we had been married seven years.  My happy life really went down the tubes.  We did get a chance to buy our first home.  Not one that he promised me,but a fixer upper.  Well a year after being in that home, we went bankrupt a second time.  The first time was due to a miscarriage that was more expensive than if the baby had been born.  After the second bankrupt issue things really started to go down hill.  I noticed we were fighting more.  The children were even bickering back and forth and the two of us never seemed happy.  We did try to pacify our feelings.  I ended up getting my A.A.S in Early Childhood and thought I might be able to help with finances.  Well I got into a job I loved then there was issues with my son.  He was very tiny for seventh grade and there was another child who wanted to beat him up.  I asked my ex if he would be able to leave work long enough to get my son home from school instead of having him walk home.  My ex told me that his job was more important than mine that if I want that done I have to leave my job.  I tried that for awhile.  Well my job was suffering.  I was having a lot of customer service calls that I could not keep up on.  Truckers load list were getting out of hand and I was just getting over loaded, so I had to leave my wonderful job to take care of the issues with my son.  Well after that I was told it was my fault that we had no money.  I tried to babysit in my home.  Well that did not pan out either.  I ended up having unexpected surgery.  Well when you do daycare something like that makes you lose all your clients.  Well I moved onto another job.  The job was 24 miles one way from my home.  I was doing real good even got promoted and after two years things went down hill with the job.  My ex continued to blame me for all the problems.  I held all this in which caused a nervous break down.  I ended up being divorced over the nervous break down.

What I am saying with all of this, is I had all the feelings inside that our marriage was over after his parents died because my ex totally changed and became very mean that I wanted out ,but felt I had to stay because he was what I chose.  That is why the nervous break down happened.  I no longer will stay in something if I don't feel things are right.  I blamed myself for everything because that was what I was being told.

My plea to women don't think you have to stay in a marriage just because you choose it.

    I was astonished at how similar our stories are!  I was married for 20 years to my first husband, also.  When we married, I was 23 and he was 21.  I wasn't all that dependent upon him.  I loved him, and I was confident in our future together.

    The first sign of difficulties occurred about a year into our marriage.  He graduated from college, and he was a beginning reporter for a newspaper.  That meant a lot of moving  for not very much money.  I actually made more money waiting tables than he did.  He didn't like this.  He tended to drown his troubles in alcohol.  He could drink the first 5 bottles of beer in an hour after work.  At dinner, he had 4 glasses of wine.  For an evening cocktail, he finished off 6 or 7 triple vodka screwdrivers.

      Every evening I would make a pass at him, hoping to get him in the mood.  He usually had a good excuse.  He also had ISD, Inhibited Sexual Desire, which is a classic symptom of alcoholism--which he vigorous denied.  Oh no,  I was old and fat because I was 26, 5'7" tall, and I weighed 130 pounds.  Oh yes.  If I was younger and prettier he would want to make love with me.  So, after telling me off for making my demands upon him, he staggered down the hall to bed alone. 

      I'm the one who slept on the sofa.

      He didn't want to begin a family until he was 40.  Finally, I pleaded to start when we were 30.  He agreed.  As you say, NOT having a baby can get a lot more expensive than having one!   I had a full term still birth in 1985.  Six weeks later, my PAP smear results returned marked "suspicious, probably malignant."  While awaiting my second set of biopsies to determine whether or not I would be having a hysterectomy that summer, I tried suicide.  If Charley had died, I wanted to die, too.

     I had a major depressive, and I was in no condition to be rational.

     Two years later, after surgery and cancer drugs, I gave birth to my daughter.  When Lauren was 6 months old, my ex had some "difficulties." He claimed he hated asking me this, but he wanted to know who I was sleeping with that he got VD.  I replied, "I would be more inclined to believe you if you had slept with me in the last month or so."

     I forgave him again.

     I had a son, James,  two years after my daughter.  As you say, burying your firstborn deeply affects how you feel about raising your children.  I wasn't going to let a babysitter to this.  I stayed home.  I did what I knew was the right thing for me to do.  I honestly did not care how poor we were.  Saturday night consisted of homemade hamburgers and french fries, and staying home home to watch re-runs of Lawrence Welk.  I even taught the kids how to polka.

     All in all, I counted six valid reasons for becoming a divorcee.  And that's if you scoop up all his assorted affairs into one reason.  At one point, he had two girlfriends at once!  Girlfriend number  one didn't know about girlfriend number two.  Number two was one of my friends, and I had several unkind comments about them.  "She thinks she is the only 'woman with low morals' in Sonora!"

    And yet, I wanted to keep my family together.  I thought a divorce would be too painful for my children.  I had many excuses to endure the unendurable.  One of my best was that if I stayed for more that 19 years, I would receive more money in social security benefits.

       I agree with you when you say you should not stay in a marriage just because you "choose" it.

      Logic had nothing to do with it.  I was not choosing anything.  I, like all human beings,  was driven by emotion.  People are not Vulcans.  Emotion is far more powerful than logic.         

 

 

 

    

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 
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January 9, 2008, 3:15 pm PST

01/09 When to Call it Quits

Quote From: jej1202

Dr. Phil is right, neither of these people are bad people.  They are just bad for each other.  Obviously they both have serious emotional issues that cause them to lash out at each other.  Meanwhile, their kids get caught in the crossfire.  It is impossible to protect them from the hostility and anger when they are witnessing this behavior all the time.  For the sake of the kids, stay apart.  You both need serious counseling.  Mom, you need to get your head out of the sand and deal with your anger/hostility issues.  Dad, you need to stop acting out like a 5-year old and grow up.  Get away from each other and get help.  Then and only then should you try having a relationship with each other.

 

    Now that I have finished watching the show, I can make comments about it.  I agree with Phil.  This couple has a toxic relationship.  It is mandatory that they divorce, gracefully.  It is impossible for them to live together.  They need individual counseling for their own problems.  With time and effort, they may be able to continue a relationship with one another as co-parents.

    Getting together and living happily ever after isn't a reasonable option. 

       

     

 

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