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August 25, 2005, 8:02 pm PDT

Mother-in-Law lies and manipulates

My MIL was great before my husband and I got married and had a baby. She acts like she is the mother of my baby, not the grandmother. From the timewas daughter was born she insisted on me leaving the baby at her house. When she would come to see the baby she will carry her into another room to be alone with her. She wants to be in control of everything that has to do with my daughter. She wants her to be raised the way she wants. She will teach her to do things (like drink out of a real cup instead of a sippy cup) behind our back and then lie to us about it. She has even told me that my daughter won't crawl, she'll walk, and she won't use a sippy cup, she'll use a real cup. She doesn't say things like that or act controlling and pushy in front of my husband. Her lies worry me. She lies not only about things regarding our daughter but also about other things. She will lie to get my husband to do things for her that she just doesn't want to do. She also made made up a lie about the dentist saying and doing inappropriate things to her 10 year old daughter (my husbands half sister). I think she just wants attention from my husband. When my husband tried to talk to her about the issues we have with her she told him that she doesn't come over much anymore because she gets a bad vibe from me. I am very nice to her and act friendly. I have made the decision not to leave my daughter with her anymore. She can come visit and we will go visit her but I will not leave her there. I can't trust her to respect me as my daughter's mother. It has taken time for my husband to see her for who she is (somewhat). I don't get why she lies to us. She is 50 years old, it is very odd to me that she would act the way she does. She will hardly talk to me anymore or look at me. I have done nothing to her for her not to like me. I think she is just angry that I don't let her have her way with my daughter. My husband and I don't know how to fix this and have a relationship with her again. They used to be very close and don't talk much anymore.
 
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August 28, 2005, 2:36 pm PDT

more info......

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The decision to not have your daughter stay at your MIL's house without you is a good one. You have to listen to your intuition on this...you are right about this woman, something isn't "right" with the way she is.  

Its only natural for a baby to crawl and then walk, and to drink from a sippy cup and then from a regular cup!! It sounds like she is desperate for attention, any kind of attention, even from a baby, thats why she will take the baby in another room to be alone with her- because she needs the one on one attention from the baby. I suggest following her when she does that!! She is using the baby to fullfill her needs, and its not healthy for the baby to grow up with the burden of making sure her grandmother is happy, its suppose to be the other way around!!  

Its going to be difficult for your husband to fully realize what his mother is doing because this is the woman he was raised around, so to him, some of her behavior is seen as 'normal' and other behaviors he might know are not normal, yet its just too difficult to admit that the person who is supposed to love you would do things harmful to you and/or your child. Who wants to admit that their own mother is a lieing manipulating sneak? Its not easy. But your husband needs to realize that the happiness of your child is in yours and his hands, and it is in your child's best interest to protect her.  

Keep smiling when you see your MIL and ask her about her life.. usually people like her love to talk about themselves. It is unfortunate that your husband and his mom aren't as close as they used to be, but how do you make another person stop being a liar? You can't. The only thing you can do is change your behavior towards her, as you have been. Is it possible for your husband to point out to her that he knows she has lied about certain things, or from now on could you agree that he will speak up when he knows she isn't being truthfull about things? She lies because she can, so the less she can lie and get away with it, the better off things will be.  

I agree with your opinion of why she is acting the way she is. It's been really hard for me to describe her actions and the way it makes me feel to my husband. I'm am also afraid that the problems are more complex with this woman than what you just see on the surface. Here is some background. When she divorced my husbands father she quickly moved on to a much younger man and purposely got pregnant because she always wanted a girl. When she found out I was pregnant she left her husband and moved with her daughter to where we live in another state. So now she lives minutes from us and has no man in her life. She doesn't work or do anything. She was expecting to move here and take care of our daughter full-time (because that's what she wanted, not us) but I am staying home with my daughter. She constantly refers to her son (my husband) by her estranged husbands name, which I find to be odd. She is always asking my husband to come over to do this and that for her, even late in the evening after he gets home from work and is tired. He is like her fill-in husband. I was told that my MIL and her siblings were severely abused growing up. They were sexually abused by a family member (I don't know if it was their father or uncle) in horrific ways. Her family was also strictly religous and very secretive. Her mother died when she was about 10. She was the baby of the family and she said her father spoiled her. She has made inappropriate sexual comments to and in front of her daughter. She talks very openly about sex with my husband and it makes him uncomfortable. She has done things in the past like ask him to buy her batteries for her vibrator. She doesn't act like this anymore now that there is tension between us. She is very short and fake around us now. She goes to church on Sunday but she isn't religous, it seems like part of an image. My husband says that he knows that his mom would never do anything to hurt out daughter, like molest her. I can't say that that is what my concern is, although it is in the back of my mind. But I can't pin point what exactly I am afraid of with her besides the issue you addressed already.
 
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August 30, 2005, 7:00 am PDT

continued from previous post.....

My husband and I tried to talk to my MIL because it has been obvious that she has a problem with me because of the way her and her 10 year old daughter have been treating me. Her daughter has done a couple of things to me in a secretive way to let me know that she doesn't like me. When we ask my MIL about why she was doing these things and what the problem is with me she all together denied that her daughter did them. She lied right to our faces to cover it up. So last night we brought these things up to try and mend the relationship and she tried to put it all off on her daughter by saying that she is probably just mad because we don't allow her to carry the baby around. But the baby is 1 now and we wouldn't let her carry her from the start so it didn't make sense that she would be acting angry about a rule we made a year ago. We refused to let her off the hook with that excuse and so we brought up more situations (her lying to us about things her daughter has done) and she tried to continue to lie about them again. We were addressing the issue as politely and as nonconfrontational as possible. We didn't just come out and say "you lied". But she got really angry anyway and said "I'm not going to argue the point" and then she yelled at us to get out. My husband asked her why she had to act like that because we were just trying to talk about what is going on and she told us to leave. When we walked out the door we heard her screaming and crying. Anyone have any ideas on where to go from here? Is she acting like that because someone finally stood up to her and called her on her actions for the first time? She obviously has a problem with me but she won't talk about it.
 
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August 30, 2005, 1:21 pm PDT

So true

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Your MIL doesn't like to be confronted about her actions...I guess she thinks that you are just supposed to "take" it! Her reaction to you and your husband's questions just goes to show you how immature this woman is, it sounds like she is emotionaly stunted or something- like she didn't mature past the age 14. 

You guys just want to make things better, but she would rather hold a grudge for unknown reasons- probably something petty- this way, in her eyes, she gets to be the 'victim'...obviously its a role that she is  very comfortable playing. You guys want to help her by talking about whatever the issues are, but she would rather deny it. You've done your best! Where has this left your husband? Has he talked to her since then? I wonder what the 10 year old sister would say if your  husband talked to her alone...when mom wasn't around? Is that possible? That could shed some light on the subject. Thats my only suggestion as to where to go from here... Otherwise, the ball is in his mother's court, as the saying goes, to try to mend things, because you can't mend things if you don't know what to mend. 

My thoughts exactly! Mu husband is very upset by this. This happened just last night. We actually left our daughter with her for an hour because we had no other sitter and we had an important appointment. When we picked up our daughter we sat down and talked to her as planned and like I said, she kicked us out of her house. My husband couldn't sleep last night because he is so bothered by all of this. At first he started thinking that maybe she wasn't lying about what her daughter did, maybe she really thought that she didn't do it. I told him "no, don't even start to doubt yourself, that's what she wants and we both know she has been lying". He agreed. But other than that he is seeing how messed up this lady is. He said that she is going to counseling and he's hoping she will bring it up there. I have tried to talk to his sister a little when I watched her once. I just casually asked her things to see why she is mad at me or whatever. She was very short and avoided any conversation just like her mom. I think she knows when to keep her mouth shut. I'm sure she would be a little more open with my husband but I don't see how he could get the chance to talk to her alone with the way the situation is now. We're guessing that if and when my MIL does talk to us again she'll probably tell us that her daughter confessed that she did do those things and that she had just lied to her. We'll just have to wait and see, but we are not going to contact her. Like you said, we did our best.
 
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August 31, 2005, 8:35 am PDT

Getting Along With Your In-Laws

Quote From: faith1106

Not sure if this is the right place for this, but here it goes.  Quick and to the point.  What is a mother to do when her loving, caring son starts to push his mother away.  For no other reason i can see other than his girlfriend has problems with me and is convincing him to turn on me.  I am not overbearing or bothersome, this is so out of character for him.

In what way is your son pushing you away? What is his behavior? 

 
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August 31, 2005, 9:26 am PDT

Same problem here...

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 I need a little advice...19 years ago, I met a guy who was "perfect" in my eyes. We started dating a year later and everything was great, then 8 months later, him and his family moved out of state. Still being a teenager, it affected me a little but I moved on. Although I thought about him often, he was my first love.  Well about 4 years ago, we crossed paths again and it was like we had been together the whole time. ( although we had both been married and divorced by that time.) I was more in love with him now than ever. And again he moved out of state, (this time it was because of a job transfer) he called me several times for the first year and wanted me to move with him. Well not being one to act on the spur of the moment, I never moved. We have since lost contact and I am engaged to be married in May. My problem is that I can't get my first love out of my mind. I do love my fiance with all of my heart and I do want to spend my life with him. What should I do? Is this normal?
I came across your post while looking for someone with the same problem as me, but kind of the opposite. I also reconnected with my first love after many years. He lived in another country and I moved there to be with him. Well, we ended up getting pregnant and married. We have been back together for almost 3 years and have a one year old. The problem is that I can't stop thinking about the guy that I was dating on and off for a few years while me husband and I weren't together. I loved this guy so much but he wasn't ready to commit to me so I moved on (physically but not emotionally). I feel like this guy is the guy that I am meant to be with, even though I don't believe in that soul mate stuff. I dream about him all the time and I think about him every day. I feel like I married the wrong man. The hardest part to swallow is that this guy now expresses interest in me. He is a good friend of my family because he has been friends with my brother for 15 years. He has recently asked my brother about me and how my marriage is. He he also talked to my mom about me. I know that he is regretting letting me go and I think he feels the same way about me as I do him. But I am married now and have a daughter so I have to try and ignore my feelings and it's incredibly hard. I think that it is normal to still have some love for an X and maybe you are just having premarital jitters because you don't know if you are making the right decision. That is perfectly normal. If you feel like you love your fiance with all your heart and want to spend the rest of your life with him then that is a very positive thing. I feel that way about my X, not my husband. So it sounds like you are just scared about making such a big decision and I don't think you'll end up in the situation that I find myself in.
 
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August 31, 2005, 12:03 pm PDT

Getting Along With Your In-Laws

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i should give a little more history on the girl.  She has no family.  They disowned her at 15.  Apparently over religious differences.  She is very motivated and independent.  She refuses to call us by our first names, insists on mr and mrs......  even though ive ask her not to, she says thats just how she was raised, its respect.  I think its disrespectful to not call us what we ask.  When i say hello to them both i have to say hello twice to her just so she will respond.  She has taken my sons last name in emails, wears a ring on left hand that he has not given her.    

His behaviour has changed in small ways, but very noticable.  He seems very evasive with me and even the simplest question seems to make him quite defensive.  He used to call alot just to see what i was doing and how i am.  That has stopped completely.  However in his defense i must say he is still very close with his dad, they always have been.  They do alot of guy stuff together.    

Do i let him go for awhile, treat him like he's treating me.  I can't say anything to him about her becuase im afraid ill loose him forever.  I think she is playing head games with him, she seems quite good at it.  

That gives a better picture of the situation. I wouldn't read into him not giving you as much attention now that he is in a relationship. I also wouldn't take offense to it. I know that once I married my husband and we had a baby he started communicating less with his mom because he now has more responsibilities and less time to devote to his mom, but he does come to her aid when needed and keeps in contact with her of course. His close relationship with his mom was one of the things that I admired about him. But once I had a baby it was like, alright, we need some boundaries here and you can't let her demand too much of your time because you are already overwhelmed. I would keep from asking him questions or trying to pry, that will just drive him further away. This girlfriend obviously has some personal issues that may be affecting things. Maybe she is jelous of his relationship with you and is demanding all of his attention. I would just give him space and let him figure things out for himself. I don't know your son at all but one thing that would be a concern to me (this is just a guess) are drugs. I would be concerned that maybe she has gotten him into drugs because of the behavior that you are describing. This is just a shot in the dark though because I don't know enough to say for sure. If he has significant changes in his mood (defensive, quick temper) and is distant from family members (out of guilt) then it is one possibility. But these are just my opinions here, I hope it helps.
 
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September 27, 2005, 2:40 pm PDT

In laws don't agree with parenting style

My MIL and FIL think I am being an "idealist" and trying to control everything regarding my daughter because we choose to feed her organic foods and we try to avoid food additives. I told my MIL that I a white cake would be better than a red cake when she offered to make a red velvet cake for my daughter's first birthday. She got irritated by this and thinks I am being rediculous. It is my understanding that food colourings are not good for anyone, especially a baby. My MIL won't say anything to us but she complains to my FIL and has him confront us about it and argue with us. They don't understand why we do the things we do, nor do they even try. Just because they don't understand or don't agree with it they think we're being crazy, overbearing parents.
 
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October 4, 2005, 10:59 am PDT

I can relate

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Before I became pregnant I was dating my fiance for 4 months and before I knew I became pregnant and now i've had our son and we will be getting married wihtin the month. My fiance scares me in his behavior, although I do have faith in him. I'm also scared. He'll still want to go out with his friends on the weekend and leave me and our son at home while he partys, and hangs out till mindnight or 2am sometimes. He also left alot when I was pregnant and would tell me it was because our house was to small and he needed to get out while I was there alone. He knows I don't like it but then again i'm also very easy going and non confertational. Am I starting off on the wrong foot...I love this man with all my heart, he can be a jerk and say stupid thing but he's a wonderful father, and very caring and loving. He is the man I want to grow old with and raise our son with, but I feel like he still needs to grow up, and how do I help him. What do I do to help him, how do I help him. I don't want to give up on him because i know we are capable of having a wonderful marriage together, but it needs to start now. 

I went through the same thing when I was pregnant with my now 13 month old daughter. My husband and I were not yet married when I got pregnant. He wanted to go out with friends a lot and ofcourse I would be left at home alone and pregnant. He would always be gone longer than he said he would and he would drink too much. I felt that he was not ready for a baby even though he was so excited about it. I had to put my foot down because my father was an alcoholic and was never home. What I finally ended up doing is telling my husband that he needed to grow up and curb the drinking and start spending his time home with me. Ofcourse he replied by saying that once I had the baby he would do that but I knew that if he didn't do it right then that he wouldn't at all. So I threatened to leave and move out of state near my parents. I even started packing my stuff. I told him that our I deserved better and so did our baby. That woke him up and he quit drinking and started staying home with me. It wasn't as easy and quick as I  make it sound but you just have to stick to your guns. I am stubborn and I don't back down, so it was easier for me to stand up for myself.  Your husband is probably scared and nervous about his new role and father and husband but I'm sure you are too but you really need to talk to each other about it and be supportive of each other instead of just running from the problem (as he is doing).
 
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October 14, 2005, 8:53 pm PDT

Husband Cheated

I have been married for 1 1/2 years and have a one year old daughter. I have known my husband since high school and we are now in our mid-twenties. We haven't had the best marriage but it isn't terrible either. We didn't communicate like we should have and I have felt like he is just my roommate. He has neglected me all together. I told him how I felt a couple of times but we never had a healthy talk about it. He had to go out of town for two weeks with a group of male coworkers and they all flirted with the girls that worked at the hotel. My husband let the girls think he was single. He got very drunk one night and ended up having sex with one of these girls. He said that he never intended on anything happening. He knew it was wrong to flirt but he liked the attention, it made him feel good. I suspected something happened and we had huge fights about it and he suggested counseling so we started going and have been going for a couple of months. I just recently found out for sure that he cheated on my own and he had no choice but to confess. He has been lying all this time. He swears that it was a huge mistake and it would have never happened if he wasn't drunk. He also swears that he hardly remembers anything that happened after leaving the bar that night. He blames the cheating on alcohol but does take blame for the flirting and agrees that he put himself in that situation. He is pleading with me to work passed this. We sat down and told each other everything that we had been keeping from each other, including that I still feel like I am in love with an X. He feels like he would have never even flirted or put himself in that situation to cheat if our marriage was solid. But I am scared that he did have intentions and just felt that as long as I never would find out that it would be OK. I am paraniod about being cheated on so I drive myself crazy worrying about it and acting like a detective and this was the first time that I found any evidence of it. The girl got his cell # we think form the hotel records and text messaged him. She told me when I called her that he flirted with her and that he was really drunk when they had sex and she wasn't sure if he liked her or not and she had no idea he was married until she sent him a text message a couple of weeks after he left town and he called her and told her he was married and nothing should have ever happened with them and he was trying to work things out with his wife.  She also said he was rude to her and angry that she text messaged him because he was afraid I would find out and he didn't want to lose his daughter. She said that he talked about our daughter to her quite a bit but never mentioned me. But he says that they never talked one on one, only with a group of the guys that were hanging out at the hotel lobby area drinking.
 

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