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August 10, 2005, 12:49 am PDT

Law treats children as property

Quote From: artsydawn

 Why has our society allowed this to continue? How do these people get away with doing this to children? Everything these people are doing is ILLEGAL!! The question was asked on the show, however I dont believe there was a sufficient answer. Where are the police, children services,or our government??

This, along with other forms of child abuse,  is allowed to continue because the government essentially treats children as property and does not give CPS enough power. If you read your own state's laws regarding children, you will be suprised as to how limited their rights are. I am a resident of Florida, and I must say that the state of FL does not do a good job of protecting children against abuse and treats children as property of their parents. I know this from experience. I was abused as a child and I was shuffled through the system. For example, when I was 17, I badly needed medical care for my hand, but my parents would not provide it even though they could financially afford to(they felt I should pay for it), so my doctor called DCF(Department of Children and Families, aka Child Protective Services), because in the state of FL, children cannot receive any medical care without the consent of parents. DCF told me they couldn't do anything because I was 17, even though the state statute makes it clear that they are supposed to protect all children until they are 18 and represent them. Further, medical neglect and other forms of child abuse are felonies. There are state laws dictating that if there is medical neglect, the DA(district attorney) must be notified and charges must be brought against the parents. Did this happen? No. I imagine a fax was sent along with hundreds of other children's cases to the DA, but DCF said they had no real power, and my caseworker said that their job was to "scare parents". She said there was nothing they could do legally, and told me to make a police report, because I was worried about my younger brother. They also did a house visit to make sure my brother was ok, but that is a procedure dictated by state law.

You'll here people say,"CPS just wants to reunite families", but this is not necessarily true. They make is very hard to get children the help they need. If someone calls a hotline to make a child abuse report, a caseworker is sent to the child's home. Unless the child either A. admits to being abused or B. has bruises on his/her face and arms, nothing happens further and the case is dropped. Further, the depth of the investigation is dependent on the individual caseworker. Yes, I believe some of the caseworkers really want to help, but the law limits their power way too much, to that point that DCF/CPS cannot do anything for a child unless that child is in a life or death situation. Plus, it is frightening to know that what happens to a child's future could be influenced by that ONE caseworker having a bad day. As harsh as this seems, it is what truly happens.  Abuse happens every day, in every city, and every neighborhood, and I strongly believe that our society/government just turns away from the abuse the children in our country face.
 
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February 1, 2006, 12:25 pm PST

People need to learn about dog behaviors

OK, I normally don't post often, but I have to say something concerning the dog situation. I have raised and rescued dogs my entire life. I have dealt with blind dogs, deaf dogs, aggressive dogs, and sweet dogs. The dalmation is deaf, but that does not make it aggressive. Deaf dogs, however, will be startled more easily. Please, put yourself in the dog's situation. You would be the exact same way.  Since the wife is too irresponsible and chooses to place her child on the floor with a dog and allows her child to CRAWL towards the dog(#1 no-no), it would be best for the dog to be kept separated from the child. Note: I am not blaming the dog at all. This is not the dog's problem, and this is not the husband's problem. This is a problem that the mother has and she should not have have ever placed the child on the floor. I think that what happened is normal, and I think that the husband's feelings are completely normal. This is behavior analysis 101.....not very hard!! I am glad that at least dr phil and the father understand.
 
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February 1, 2006, 5:04 pm PST

01/25 Is This Normal?

Quote From: jerribaby

There is nothing normal about the husband’s feelings or yours! There is nothing normal about a child not being able to play safely in his own living room floor either. This is the humans domain and the not an animals if you want to get technical about it. Does the father understand? Does he understand that in no circumstances should he as a father and protector even consider letting this type of danger reside at his home and put his CHILD at risk of being mauled or worse! The dog should not even be there because of the child’s fear now. Does Dr. Phil really understand or is he smart enough to know the type of floodgate this would open with people who value dogs more than children. This is crazy! I can only hope you are speaking from the point of view of a person with no children in the house.  The things people to children these days in the name of selfishness is sickening. It should be hard wired in every humans soul to PROTECT ALL CHILDREN AT ALL COSTS!….NOT VERY HARD!!!

   

 

  

  

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  Steve's obvious unwillingness to separate from this dangerous animal is the problem! NOT THE MOM! It happened, its over, now the question is what will be done to keep it from happening again? Mom recognizes the problem and obviously regrets what happened and is pleading with her husband to get rid of the dog, and not just ship it to grandma's where the child will see it again. Steve refuses and believes it can all be worked out. Simply put he chose his love for a DOG over his child's physical and mental safety. Mom wants it gone! It is that simple. What is so hard to understand?

  

 

  

 

  

  

 

  

 

  

  

 

  

 

  

  

 

  

 

  

  

 

   

  

  

  

 

  

  

  

 

  

 

  

  

 
OK, so you get to decide what is normal? The whole world must check with you first? Of course not. Obviously you did not even read my post carefully, but rather decided to make a rash posting. I probably should not even bother responding to this, because you didn't even read my post carefully. What I said is that the dog and child should be separate. I don't know how to say it any clearer. I don't know what is so hard to understand. Obviously you do not have any background in psychology or behavioral analysis based on your response. I'll say it again so it doesn't get missed this time: The dog and child should be kept SEPARATE(big letters for everyone to see)and the husband is entitled to his own feelings. End of story. The family has responsibility towards both the child and the dog. If they are incapable of caring for both then they need to find a new home for the dog. Additionally, it might be better for the poor dog to find a new home because obviously the mother does not understand dog behavior or deaf dogs. Additionally, is it a rationalization when a person is deaf? I don't think so. It is not the person's fault. I have worked not only with dogs with disabilities, but also people, and I have foudn that there are many similarities. Lastly, I think it is disturbing that so many people are quick to say that the husband is putting his dog above his child. He has said that his child comes first. Nobody here actually knows this family, so we can't turn around and say that he necessarily loves his dog more. I think the husband and wife need to come to a compromise together. I agree with Dr. Phil. I am sorry if nobody else does, but that's not my problem. I also feel that animals, including dogs, are not disposable items. We shouldn't just kill them when something bad happens. I feel that if  the family is going to have pets then they need to take responsibility and find a new family for the dog.
 
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February 1, 2006, 5:20 pm PST

01/25 Is This Normal?

Quote From: tnjsads

I just wanted to say I COMPLETELY understand what you're saying.  I had a dog for 13 years.  He was my baby.  He was always aggresive but I knew how to handle him.  Then I got married and had a baby.  Everything changed.  When she started crawling, I had to watch her like a hawk!  Then one day he went for her.  Luckily he stopped himself but after a lot of soul searching I realized I could not trust him to not do it again.  I tried for a while to give him to a home with no children but it didn't work.  I finially decided to do the unthinkable.  I actually went out of town with my daughter and my husband took him to the vet for the "dirty" work.  I cried the whole day.  I was so upset about having to do that to my baby (the dog).  I kept thinking to myself he had a rough start as a puppy and now he is being punished for something that he learned from a human.  But I had to do it for my child's safety.  It was extremely sad but I have not regretted the decision for one minute.  You are just going to have to get past the rationalization that the dog is deaf.  You just can't trust the dog with your child.  I'm sorry you're having to do this but you have to do what is best for your daughter.
Hey, I'm sorry that happened to you. I know a decision like that is hard to make, especially when it is a dog you have had for 13 years. I think it's great  that you were responsible and watched your child while she was in her crawling stage, though. That is really important to do.

Take care
 
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March 7, 2006, 6:53 pm PST

03/07 Extreme Highs and Lows

Quote From: jaity99

It is very clear to me that Cathy is nothing more than a miserable, lazy, and hateful mother.  She is just using the bipolar as an excuse to act this way.  Now that she has justification from the Dr. Phil show, she is really going to use it even more to her advantage and she will get much worse.  If she wanted to, she would be seeking treatment until she found something that works.  Again, If she wanted to.  But then she wouldn't be able to use it as an excuse.  I can see right through her.  I wonder if she really has borderline personality disorder instead of bipolar disorder?  And who, when and where did she get this diagnosis?  Did anyone from the show check into this?  She just feels sorry for herself and this is the justification for it.  I am worried for those kids.  If she cared about them, she would get help.  But she obviously doesn't because she is too self centered.  BIPOLAR MY ---!!!!
I can really see where you are coming from. My mother was diagnosed with bipolar, although she seemed to show signs of Multiple personality disorder (MPD) at times. She was extremely violent with me and threatened to kill me. DCF never did anything because there was no way to physically proved that she said she would kill me. I was beaten severly on more than one occassion. I want everyone to know that these people are not completely unaware of their actions. They do realize what they are doing. They do realize, "I'm beating the crap out of my kid" but they are so angry they do not care at that point. Even when they are committing the action, there is a point when they realize the pain and harm they are causing. There are major anger and impulse control issue there. I agree that if she really cared about her kids she would get help and most importantly keep thm safe.
 
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May 8, 2006, 7:09 am PDT

jail time

Quote From: jack_rez

the fact that they appear in Dr phil show and not in jail concerns me. those innocent children were not born by their own choices;consequently, it is parent's responsibility to nourish them with their ultimate love. what the hell is going on in this country? I have been beaten by my parents probably more than them so I know what it feels like, and I don't want anybody else to feel the same way that I do about my parents and my childhood. when a child gets beaten, it changes their personality, there is nothign like, ok they experience it and they get away with it. 

Yes, I am also concerned that they are on the Dr. Phil show and not in jail. It bothers me that so many people get away with child abuse without prosecution every single day. I understand that the Dr. Phil show is meant to be educational, but at the same time, it feels inappropriate to send a message to America that says you can beat your kids and not face criminal prosecution. Certainly, both parents have commited crimes. In my state, child abuse is a felony (emotional, physical, sexual, and medical neglect).
Unfortunately, abused children are for the most part ignored in our society. Because child abuse is a sensitive topic, people tend to turn away and ignore it and pretend it isn't happening. Not many people feel comfortable about discussing children being beat up by adults who are supposed to care for them. Child abuse is strongly believed to be underreported, and the number of cases that actually do get reported often overwhelm the CPS system. There are several websites that people can visit to learn more about child abuse: endabuse.org, childhelpusa.org, childabuse.org, and preventchildabuse.org. I encourage everyone to learn more about the topic of child abuse and to spread teh word about child abuse prevention.

Take care everyone! :)
 
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May 8, 2006, 7:32 am PDT

03/30 Is This Normal?

Quote From: sherwood26

I don't know why I'm bothering to explain myself because it's like banging my head against a wall with the two of you and I know it just feeds into the obvious need you have to argue about something. 

 Yes, you have struck a nerve because I feel your comments are so insulting to people that you know nothing about, and you don't know a darn thing about how they run their households, yet you feel the need to nit pick and question every decision they make simply by the few details they tell you when they share their story.  As I said, you should definitely share your viewpoints, but it's a different story to question and insult people's priorities repeatedly. 

When I said that the mother came off nutty to me, it had nothing to do with her being concerned about her child, she has every right to be.  I thought it was a little much that she was SO freaked out about having the child even visit the grandmother's house even if the dogs were locked behind a fence, which is a comment the father made.  If people are worried that the child might somehow get out of the house to see the dogs, my response is, who the heck is watching the child?  It was made clear that the mother will not allow the dog back into the house, so I don't know why JoeyJohn keeps going on about how the gates and things would work. I think people were making general comments about how you COULD keep a dog and child separate if need be and telling their stories about what worked for THEM. I would imagine that people aren't answering you because your questions are pointless asking about things that obviously worked already for them, why should they have to justify it to you after the fact! 

So to sum up, because this is the last I'm writing on this: 

yes, perhaps I should not have used the word "nuts" in regard to the mother and perhaps I also used the wrong word in my one post when I said the "only " reason I disagreed with the person was that the dog was sleeping.   I still don't believe that you allow a toddler to crawl over to a dog, sleeping or otherwise,  and you would especially have to use extra precaution around a special needs dog. It was a horrible accident, but I still do not believe the dog is a vicious dog. It did not run up to the child and attack it, the child approached the dog. I still believe that if Steve wants his mother to take care of the dogs and she's willing, why not let her so he can still have them in his life?  If they have that option, then why does the dog have to die? It makes no sense to me. Steve said on the show, all he wanted from his wife was a compromise so that he could still have the dogs somehow in his life. I still agree with Dr. Phil's advice, provided the dogs are not  put outside full time. And as strongly as you feel about standing up for children, I feel just as strongly for standing up for dogs, because they surely can't speak for themselves and do not deserve to pay the price for what ignorant people to do to them in the forms of abuse and neglect. I will not ever apologize for that. 

I agree with the first part of your posting. The two posters you mention just want somethign to argue about. I imagine they don't have anything else to do with their time, sadly. No matter what you say, they will twist it unintelligently. I have to admit, I have found it hilarious that both posters (if they are in fact 2 seperate people) only see the issue through a narrow tube, so when they attempt to respond to other postings, they don't even make sense because they often miss what was being said! Additionally, they just spend the majority of their postings making irrelevant insults. Just ignore them, I guess.

Take care!
 
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May 9, 2006, 2:06 am PDT

05/08 A Mother’s Rage

Quote From: jcaseywv

THE SHOW SCARED ME AND I CRYED. MY DAUGHTER IS ABUSIVE TO HER CHILDREN AND ACTS JUST LIKE THAT. I'VE TRYED TALKING TO HER AND SHE GETS ABUSIVE VERBALLY TOWARDS ME AND THERE HAS BEEN TIMES SHES STRUCK AT ME TO, THEN SHE KEEPS MY GRAND-CHILDREN FROM ME. PLEASE SOMEONE GIVE ME SOME ADVICE. AND NO I DO NOT APPROVE OF ANYONE TOUCHING A CHILD AND HURTING THEM. MY DAUGHTER WAS NOT RAISED TO ACT IN THIS WAY.
I would suggest getting the children help. Try calling 1-800-422-4453. It is a child abuse hotline. The people there can help give you advice about what to do. Be prepared to tell them honestly about the abuse.

Hope this helps!
 
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July 13, 2006, 12:18 pm PDT

men should have rights too

I completely agree that men should have rights and protection too. I think the process of determining these protections will be difficult, but I think it is obvious that men deserve rights too.
 
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August 9, 2006, 12:34 pm PDT

wow

 I was shocked by these so-called 'parents'. They have abused their daughter emotionally and verbally to the extent that all she feels that all she can do is be angry. There is a reason why Shannon is angry. She isprobably  engaging in a defense mechanism. I don't know if she was ever physically abused, but the emotional abuse certainly accounts for the fact that she has become, in a sense, overly defensive about everything. She might do it to protect herself, and now it appears to be out of control. I'm shocked that her parents won't even take responsibility. As other posters have said, good parents would look at what happened to make Shannon the way she is. Good parents would recognize how their own destrucive behaviors have damaged their child. These 'parents' haven't done that.  Personally, if my parents constantly knocked me down, exiled me to Mexico, ommitted my presence from family functions, and married after my biological mother had JUST died, I would feel much like Shannon does.
BTW, as someone who personally lived with a Narcissistic mother...Shanon is not narcissistic. The step-mother used this term to flaunt around to make her step-child look bad. If anything, the step-mother is actually much closer to the diagnostic criteria of Narcissistic....but that is only an observation from a 1 hour tv show *shrugs*.
 

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