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August 1, 2005, 1:19 pm PDT

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 Hi all, I can relate some with many of you. I have been married 18 years and have a 5 year old son. Early on, the hubby ran the relationship with his anger and disapproval, I was young and hopeful, and walked on eggshells for a long time, my feelings slowly died, as did I inside. As life became stable, and I approached my mid thirties, we seemed better, he could laugh stuff off rather than get mad or pout, so I thought is would be safe to have kids. So for 5 years I have been a mom at home.

When my son was 9 mos. old, I was diagnosed with MS. Big surprise I would get a disease where my own immune system eats at my nerves. But that allowed me to address my anxiety and depression. With prescriptions and therapy, I have gotten much stronger. Of course, with the added stress of parenting, the hubby has reverted to trying to run things with his dissatisfaction.
Now I listen daily to criticisms, nags and complaints. If I tell him I don't like listening to his negativity, he says I don't communicate, I don't compliment or appreciate him. He says he is the only one who tries, who changes and who makes any effort. Any complaint of mine is met with accusations that I think I am perfect.

Obviously he is insecure, but I am not sure why. He is a big, tall man, hardworking and admired by his peers, but he has an intense need for perfection, he keeps score, finds fault and relishes the mistakes and misfortunes of others. I definitely feel like he is competing with me whether I play or not. Anyone would not appreciate living with the stress he puts out, but with my MS, it can have serious health effects. I have told him so, but again with the games of how only he tries, and I think I am perfect.

Dr. Phil says we teach people how to treat us. I definitely used to be a doormat, but have changed that. He still tries like heck to get me to cave into the old ways. I got him to go to counseling for a while, but money issues put that to a halt. And in the end, he only took from it how he thought I needed to change. He says he has no problems by himself, just with me.

Also, he has begun nagging our son to be perfect. To perform with being told once. He gets upset when my son chooses me for an activity. He questions my son as to why he wants mom and not dad. He seems to look to my son now to validate his worth. What a burden for a 5 year old! I have told him he needs to be the adult, but he pouts.

So, now what do I do? Do I leave? Does staying tell him his behavior is ok? Do I make a plan like the others on this board have done? I don't want to live like this. His moods suck the life out of me, but I hate to break up my son's home. He has many good qualities, hardworking, reliable, faithful. If there is something I can do to turn this around, I'd like to try. I know I can't make him change, can't make him get treatment for what seems to be a depression of his own, but I feel like I haven't tried everything. Dr. Phil says people leave to easily, so have I earned my way out yet? Shall I tell him to get help or I leave? Leave and tell him I'll come back if he gets help?

I am tired of the round and round. Any words of wisdom?

M.

 
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August 2, 2005, 12:22 pm PDT

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J: I found Realgood2U but what I found had mostly to do with infidelity. Do you have a link? My primary concern now is for my son. I know that if left unchecked, my hubby’s antics will damage him. But my son also loves and dotes on his dad. Somehow I keep intervening and hoping he will get it, but I won’t wait forever.

 

Q: I do know perfection is a load. I was a high achiever in school, and had great anxiety over excellence. Over time and with maturity, I learned fear of failure doesn’t make you excellent, it holds you back. I don’t want my son burdened with those anxieties. When the hubby starts pulling his act, I do call him on it. He tells me I am undermining his parental authority and gets mad. I tell him browbeating isn’t proper parenting. I keep telling him, I am not just taking his crap, but he is on a self-pity trip when he isn’t crabbing.

 

I think I am fairly informed on what emotional/verbal abuse is, but more knowledge can’t hurt. I have some support, but yes, I could use more on this subject specifically. My sisters and friends do help. Otherwise, my family likes him; he is helpful and personable around others. He is much like his mother as are many of his siblings, having to run things, having to be right, to be better than others.

 

With the counseling I did receive, I learned about my own self destructive thinking patterns that allowed him to get to me in the first place, and I think my head is on pretty straight under the circumstances. This is just an exhausting struggle. His negativity and self-pity are tiring. At times I think he hears me and then we go backward. When he tries to push responsibility for his misery on me, I push it right back, but he is stubborn.

 

I have not yet sought any legal counsel, but should I decide it is time to go, I am not afraid to find it and act on my rights. As for other plans, I am working on a business I can do from home, one that uses my talents, and something I think I could really love doing. He of course, keeps suggesting low-wage entry-level type jobs. Heaven forbid I should ever be a success. He’s either discouraged or tolerated my educational pursuits.

 

Have I done everything? I am not sure. Some days I feel like he might be getting it, and others, we seem to be riding the same old merry-go-round of bull. Since I keep my emotional distance to protect myself, we can not be truly on the mend because he still plays to win, and will use any ammo I give him. I am just tired. The MS brings fatigue, so I don’t have the average fortitude. It is like new discipline for a child, it takes a long time for them to get you mean business, and that you won’t cave, but he got his way for a very long time. I just wish he’d grow up and get a friggin’ clue.

 

M

 

 
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August 2, 2005, 8:33 pm PDT

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Does he hear me? Well, sometimes I think it is better. He was awful before counseling, outright mean, venomous even. That is when I told him I'd leave before I allowed him to make sick. He challenged it and kept insisting on his way, yammering on and on. I told him then that I couldn't take it and maybe we needed to separate. I was serious and I think he finally got it a little. He has mellowed since then. Now, rather than using anger, he pouts. I guess it's anything to be the center of attention. Any emotion to run the show. As long as he is center I guess it eases his insecurities. Gads, does he ever hate it when I tell him these things. You know, the "You think you can analyze me, you think you are so smart." Well, I couldn't be right because then I would 'win' wouldn't I? Can't have that. He is not one to apologize, he just behaves better the next day and for a while.

 

I guess I can work on it a bit longer. What are the books that would teach me how to respond to him? Perhaps I am already doing it, I'm not sure.

 
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August 9, 2005, 5:24 pm PDT

ggghhh is right on

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Thanks for the advice.  I know everything you said is true, but I can honestly say that I am not ready to accept that I am worth leaving him.  I am not sure that I can survive without him.  I was only 16 when we got married so I have always depended on him.  I don't know if I have the ability to be a single Mother.  I don't think I could pay to keep our house so it would mean moving the boys, probably to my Mothers and it is all just to scary for me. 

  

Also my husband and I are going to marriage counseling but I know I can not mention the sex in my sleep thing.  He has never threatened me or said anything about it but he knows we have a mutual agreement.  I think it makes me just as ashamed as it does him.  It will be a long time before I am ready to talk about it face to face with anyone. 

  

We are addressing him asking his sister-in-law to sleep with him but I am really feeling like we are getting no where.  I feel very drained and tired of trying, and I am way to young to feel like this. 

  

Anyway it was not my intention to drag this message out so long.  Again thanks for the welcome and for telling me everything I already know.  Now if you only have some ideas on how to accept it send them my way. 

  

Alison 

She is right on. If you don't believe you are worth it, ask the marriage counselor about individual counseling, maybe you will open up to someone who is there just for you. If you can't ask in front of the H, leave a note or an email or call.  

  

Early on I felt alone, and worthless too, but I wasn't sexually abused.  

  

Accepting it is a mistake. It will make you sick. I now have MS and truly believe it is because I tried acceptint everything. Luckily, I am not disabled as of yet, but I have also stopped internalizing my own hubby's crap. He does wear on me tho'. 

  

Don't worry about "dragging this message out so long" you DO deserve attention and help. 

 
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August 9, 2005, 5:33 pm PDT

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Try a women's shelter if you can't go home to your folks or other family.  

  

Be safe. 

 
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November 1, 2005, 2:36 pm PST

Not all are engineers

I relate to the engineer's wife, living with the criticism and need for perfection. In counseling my hubby was the same as this guy. "Well, what about me? What about what I want. I am right. I have done much to change and she doesn't see it." 

  

He never gets it. His ways do not make our marriage the 'safeplace' and he is NOT my soft place to fall. He keeps choosing to be right and unhappy. I am wearing out. 

 
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November 2, 2005, 8:32 pm PST

11/01 The Stepford Family

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Hello to all who can relate to this topic. Oh where do I begin. I am 22 years old and i am involved with a total perfectionist. I have been in a relationship with my boyfriend for three years now and feel like I'm going to break. I relate to this on so many different levels that it scares me! Nothing is ever good enough for my boyfriend from the way I do my job, to how I clean our house and down to the way I fold his laundry. I question myself alot and at times wonder why I do not strive to be as perfect as he tries to be. But I am learning now that it is a sickness. My boyfriend was diagnosed with Panic attacks 2 year and half years ago and I have been there for him every step of the way. Trying to support him and understand why he is the way he is. But it has gotten so difficult that I am feeling drained and hurt by him in our relationship. Why cant he see that I love him and I do try my hardest at everything I do. I have lost myself in this whole fiasco and in the process he has established a hate for me. Everything that I do annoys him because I'm not doing it right in his eyes! I want my hardest to make this relationship work! I have never wanted something so bad in my life but part of that reason being is I feel like if I give up I'm giving up on him. That I didn't try my hardest, that I fell short once again and proving him oh so right. I'm really confused on where to go from here so any advice would be greatly appreciated!  

Why, why, why would you do this to yourself? Why do you think you can fix him? He isn't your responsibility, you are. Why do you want this so badly? Get some help to figure out why you put up with this. Get out before you get married or pregnant or both. Do it young before you have a lifetime of this abuse, and a family to worry about. I wish I had understood way back when.
 
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November 3, 2005, 11:41 am PST

support group

Hey: I have mailed Marcie myself and am looking forward to chatting with everyone. She has it all set up. :) 

  

That email is virgo... instead of vigo tho. :-P ;-) 

 

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