11/05 Anger Management

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    Posted by: gerlegerle
    Posted on: 2002-11-05 10:48:27


    Dr Phil, though I agree that the first woman on your show is irrational, I can understand her feelings. I've heard you say this on Oprah and now on this show as well. You say, "You think the world should abide by your rules--that your rules are the right ones." And I feel as they do--that there are societal norms that should be followed---like you don't cut ahead of someone in line, you are courteous to one another, you don't talk on the phone so loud that the whole restaurant can hear you. It's not MY rules...I feel these are rules that society, as a whole, would agree are "the norm." It's not me saying "This is how I think it should be." I believe most everyone would agree that this is how the world should be. It's another matter entirely, to acknowledge that society isn't going to follow those rules and then decide how best to deal with it. But it bothers me that you feel she (and I) are lunatics for wanting it to be that way and being frustrated when it's not. I also understand that we are responsible for how we react to the world and I take responsibility for that. However, I absolutely sympathize with her, if the world would just all follow the rules--common courtesy, this wouldn't even BE a problem for people like us!
      I agree
      Posted by: vaughn1usa
      Posted on: 2002-11-05 11:21:45


      I agree - if people were considerate, didn't cut in line, run red lights, speed down the highway (you know who you are!), and basically just obeyed the rules of law and society, most of us would be less angered, and there'd be less road rage.
        Respecting other's silliest rules is the key....
        Posted by: lollie_com
        Posted on: 2002-11-05 11:41:10


        We all think we're operating out of the same rule book, but we're not. One person has a rule they must drive the speed limit. Another says, "well, just five miles over," another thinks there's nothing wrong with driving 20 miles over the speed limit and passing on bridges..... The truth is, most of us have simular rules, but they're no where close to identical.

        I find most folks believe they were taught to respect the rules of others. In fact, most folks are taught by word and example to respect the rules of others 'that make sense to us'.... and we're taught it's kinda okay to disrespect or forget to respect their rules that strike us as unreasonable or silly.

        If more of us would choose to respect more of the silly rules of others, it would cause a lot less upheaval all around.

        I learned this from a friend crying because once again I'd forgotten to remove my shoes upon entering her house which had a ratty, stained, faded, lime green shag carpet. It seemed silly to me, but it really hurt her feelings that I didn't care enough about her to respect the rules of her home.

        I believe one of the main causes of people getting fired is their lack of respect for the company's silliest rules. (In their estimation) But doesn't matter if the rules are silly or not. They can still matter a lot. Not only to the rule maker, but to the rule breaker as well.

        :)&-< The Lollie.comster!

          Posted by: thinkagain
          Posted on: 2002-11-05 11:54:14


          I totally agree with you....it doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand and abide by the rules of society. It IS common courtesy, nothing more, nothing less.

          I could especially relate to the lady with road rage. I would like to know how many of those people that she was blowing her horn at were on a cell phone? Tell me, what is so important to talk about that so many people have to drive holding a phone to their ear? These cell-drivers never use a turn signal, weave all over the road and when the light turns green, they sit there not even realizing they can go. Everyone's life is in danger because of these idiots and it isn't "politically correct" to blow your horn!?

          It is the "political correctness" in our country that has allowed these people to do what they want, when they want and think that whatever they do is okay. After all, no one is wrong anymore and God forbid you insult or hurt anyones feelings by addressing the problem.

          Dr. Phil leading people in the "politically correct" direction is not good advice. you were suggesting that the offender shouldn't be held accountable for their actions, but the people that are frustrated should "get a grip" and pretend it is their problem. Everyone has rules of society to follow, and just because some people don't think rules apply to them doesn't mean that others have to accommodate their actions

          You can choose your actions but you can never choose the consequences of your actions.
            I agree to these words.
            Posted by: acts6_8
            Posted on: 2002-11-05 15:46:56


            It is the "political correctness" in our country that has allowed these people to do what they want, when they want and think that whatever they do is okay. After all, no one is wrong anymore and God forbid you insult or hurt anyones feelings by addressing the problem. AMEN
            Dr. Phil leading people in the "politically correct" direction is not good advice. you were suggesting that the offender shouldn't be held accountable for their actions, but the people that are frustrated should "get a grip" and pretend it is their problem. WE HAVE GOT TO GET INVOLVED SOMEHOW.. Everyone has rules of society to follow, and just because some people don't think rules apply to them doesn't mean that others have to accommodate their actions. WE CAN BE ASSERTIVE AND IGNORE (turn your back to them). After all, no verbal response to these people is effective, so you have to ignore and be assertive. The angry one is the one who thinks they can get away with their aggressive actions. They are the ones who will go to the extent of harm to others, if pushed by ignoring they exist.

            You can choose your actions but you can never choose the consequences of your actions.
            That's not the point
            Posted by: macey519
            Posted on: 2002-11-05 17:06:46


            I think the point Dr. Phil was trying to make was that we only control ourselves. No matter how much we hate it, not everyone is going to "follow the rules". It matters very little if these are own rules or expectations or "society's" rules and expectations. The truth is that those expectations will never always be met. So, we as individuals are left with a choice. We get to decide how to react when those expectations are not met. Deciding to be calm and "not make a big deal out of it" is not accepting the "wrong" behavior as ok. It is a decision to be a better person, and a healthier person who chooses to focus on more important things in life.
              IT IS THE POINT!
              Posted by: thinkagain
              Posted on: 2002-11-05 19:09:43


              Wait a minute! Did you watch the show? Dr. Phil suggested that the "real problem causing the anger" was a matter of the agitated person feeling that they or what they were doing was more "important" than what someone else's agenda was. Therefore getting frustrated or angry with someone else's actions was THEIR problem...and further suggested that THEY needed to be "get a grip" and do or say nothing. I think he is wrong!! It isn't THEIR problem...let's put the blame where it goes and stop pretending that no one has to take any reSponsibility for their improper behavior!! If a person cuts you off on the road causing an accident because they were talking on the cell phone, putting on their makeup, in a hurry, or just being careless..they ARE at fault! The police would certainly see it that way....why don't you?

              What is healthy about pretending their actions were okay? HOW does that make you a better person? Too many people take advantage of situations, they feel it is their God given right to do as they please. Whether it is cutting in line, unsafe driving, pulling into a parking spot that you were patiently waiting for ..getting angry at these situations is not an anger management problem. These people are inconsiderate bullies. They are banking on the fact that you are going to be a mealy mouse, let them do what they want, and give them a "thumbs up" to their abominable behavior. There is nothing wrong with the person sticking up for themselves and for what is right..
                IT IS THE POINT!
                Posted by: thinkagain
                Posted on: 2002-11-05 19:13:32


                The only problem is ...telling someone they are out of line isn't POLITICALLY CORRECT.
                Actually, the police don't see it that way...
                Posted by: firefly002
                Posted on: 2002-11-05 20:49:02


                Any time the other car had the right of way first or you are the rear car in a colision(unless you can prove the car in front backed into you) it is automatically deemed YOUR FAULT by the police. Trust me on this one - about 5 years ago I was entering a highway access road - looking behing me I saw one car about a good 8 to 10 car lengths back and I was up to speed so I proceeded. The woman driving the other car was speeding to begin with and did not want to get stuck behind me so she stepped on it and ended up sideswiping me. Despite her admitting to this and despite the fact that I was not issued a ticket, the accident was declared my fault because the other car was on the road first and I had to pay for dammages. It was insult to injury - literally! States really need to review some of these "accident rules." People drive alot more agressively now then they once did and put other drivers in situations they can't control It is no longer reasonable to make these broad assumptions about who was at fault. Nowadays if I see a car being driven aggressively I either try to get out of the way or if not possible, sway side to side to prevent them from getting on the side of me in a space that is not a lane or front of me.I'm not going to pay for another accident that was clearly not my fault! Lastly, I think it is so sad that I have to worry about the legal ramifications of each manuever I make when I am driving.
                thinkagain
                Posted by: cgaved
                Posted on: 2002-11-06 10:51:43


                I agree that people are inconsiderate bullies. Look at employers who treat their employees like dirt and get away with it. I am sick to death of these kinds of people. Ordinary people have so much to deal with right now--they have lost their jobs, dealing with elderly, mean, abusive parents, trying to take care of kids, worrying about losing their jobs, health insurance, keeping their kids safe from predators, trying to go to school to keep skills up, trying not to drink or overeat or overspend to deal with pain and anger, etc. So many people are damaged and such in our society, it is no wonder so many people are so angry. People are just bullies. I carry so much baggage and rage from so many things built up and I am an old fat bag who can't get a decent job. I know anger and rage come from frustration, hurt, anxiety and stuff. I am all of those. I have made comments on the predator show and I carry the wounds from molestation. I have tried and tried to deal with it and to overeat to dull and numb the pain. I am tired of years of loneliness and misery to try and not hurt anybody else, much less myself. I keep myself away from church and friends so I don't hurt anyone because years ago I indulged in such destructive behavior. I am lonely, alone and anxious. I am tired of being mentally ill, taking medication to even feel decent. Is it any wonder a lot of us suffer some kind of rage, not that it makes sense or is right.
                  cgaved
                  Posted by: cgaved
                  Posted on: 2002-11-06 10:58:08


                  When I see my own family ripped apart because of mental illness, see my brother labeled a nut because he is bi-polar, see his business partner shaft him, see him lose his business, me not be able to get a job, see me not be able to sit down at a computer and even be willing to try and learn because I am so afraid of failure, or for whatever reason, procrastination or because I don't believe it will do any good or make any difference, know that my authentic self is lost somewhere, year after year after year of loneliness, it wears a person down and a person just doesn't want to even try. I am tired of being told to take responsibility. I don't want responsibility. I want to leave and walk away. I am tired of being abused at home and at work and my career going nowhere and not really being totally sure why. I am tired of not being liked and not knowing how to get people to like me. I am giving up trying and am going back to work on Self Matters and doing some things I want to do. My mother wants me to work when I am home 24/7 and I need a lot of time for me. She doesn't get it. She uses a rape whistle when she wants to get my attention. I can do nothing right. I am tired of it. For her, it is payback time because I did nothing when I was younger when she had to work. She says it is time I paid "my dues". In other words, I deserve all I am getting. Same thing for my brother because he married someone she doesn't like. Life is hell on wheels right now.
                  I feel the same
                  Posted by: frankevin
                  Posted on: 2002-11-06 14:13:53


                  WHAT MAKES ONE PERSONS TIME ON THIS PLANET MORE IMPORTANT THAN ANOTHERS????? i wish these busy self important persons would address this quetion??? making another person feel as bad as they do, why??? having a mental illness is such a disgrace to my mother. It's my mental illness not her's. Dealing with my self is important. not what someone else thinks.
                  Believing in yourself.
                  Posted by: jfabian
                  Posted on: 2002-11-29 09:21:20


                  To Cgaved "Think again",

                  I can relate to the hurt, anger, rage that your carrying inside yourself. My father was a very abusive towards me and my siblings. I was so depressed, had low self-esteem, felt worthless, disrespected myself, very angry and full of hate and rage. I was on the road to destruction. I abused myself by putting substances into my body to escape the pain. I was hospitalized twice and almost died. I knew I had to do something to change this negative behavior before it was too late. I was "sick and tired of being sick and tired". I wanted that monkey off of my back. It was a long, hard struggle to learn to believe in me. I've been in couseling numerous times. What really helped I turned to the Lord. He was the one that saved my life. I really opened my eyes and listened to the messages that the pastor was preaching. My life was changing by using the tools that was presented to me. I've given myself permission to accept positive behavior and prayed. This has been about 5 years ago. Ever since I changed, my life is happier. I have a changed spirit. I still have problems, but I know how to deal with them in a meaningful way. My father and I have a better relationship. I've recently married about 6 months ago. I have a loving, wonderful, husband that is very supportive. There's help and hope. You CAN change and BELIEVE in YOU by giving yourself permission and to accept the Lord into your life. May Peace be with you.
                keeping things in perspective
                Posted by: tamblam
                Posted on: 2003-03-23 08:56:28


                I think the point that Dr. Phil was trying to get across is that some of us tend to make mountains out of molehills. What is the sense of making yourself so angry about someone driving slow in front of you that you do damage to your health. He wasn't trying to say that we should let everyone butt in front of us in line but that we should keep things in perspective, and yes, everything in the world doesn't revolve around us.
              I agree with you
              Posted by: imirish
              Posted on: 2002-11-05 19:30:14


              I agree with you macey, we are responsible for what we allow our reactions to be. Yes, others need to be more courteous, but, if they are not, then it is up to us not react to their stupidities. You just get yourself all worked up, and then you pay the price, it is not worth it. If you are frustrated, turn on some good music, or when you get home hit a punching bag.
              thank you
              Posted by: jennbuggy
              Posted on: 2002-11-05 23:32:43


              Thank you macey519. I thought I was the only one who "got the point"
              To: Macey 519
              Posted by: patsy_gal
              Posted on: 2002-11-05 23:55:22


              I don't think anyone could have said it better than you. kudos to you, Patsy
                Getting it!!
                Posted by: mrsfixer
                Posted on: 2002-11-15 00:28:32


                I also thought that the whole point was that however rude you PERCEIVE a person to be, you can only change yourselfand only control your reactions...not their actions.

                Sure, when you're cut off in traffic you can lay on the horn, but what does that really accomplish? The rude person probably won't realize it was meant for him/her, and everyone else around will get confused wondering what you're beeping for. I won't even go into the possible ramifications of retaliating by playing the other person's game and cutting THEM off.

                If you want to be assertive and let the other person know you are unhappy with their behavior, fine. But, why raise your blood pressure and get all mad and let it ruin your day if you can't change THEM?!? It takes entirely too much energy and changes nothing.

                Did you ever stop and wonder why these people are so "rude"? Sure, some are clods. But they may also be having a really horrible day and a smile might go a long way toward calming THEM down.

                Just some thoughts. I think I get it!!
              Right on the Button!!
              Posted by: sandishine
              Posted on: 2003-01-16 04:09:57


              Just wanted to support your comments....you reflected what Dr. Phil was trying to teach, very well. And I agree with his philosophy. Too bad there are so many that missed the point!
            Road Rage
            Posted by: diggy415
            Posted on: 2002-11-05 18:57:38


            Here I am turning 32 today and i talk to drivers as well as those in the store with me. I hate having someone drive infront of me even if they are going over the speed limit.
            If there are people in a store isle I will wait and go do other things,if im by myself and someone joins me and gets close I huff off and keep checking back to see if they've left yet.
            Mothers who allow their children to rudely get under another person while shopping is the all time rage which gets a "do you mind?" I tell ya Im talking to other drivers and I can't imagine who might be talking to me!! What if we meet?!