11/07 Angela Follow-Up
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Posted on: 2002-11-07 09:33:26
I think Angela has the patterns of an addict and her prolems run deep. Her Mom should love her enough to let her go and stop trying to control her. Treat her like a young woman, not a child. Together they should set ground rules. After this turn of events, her Mom may lose her because she betrayed her by not keeping her word and having her locked up. The place where she is may not be safe for her. Things happen everywhere.
Angela needs to go to some extremely poor place to see how thankful she should be for all the opportunities she has available.
She is blessed to still be alive and well.
Maybe she needs God in her life.
Beth needs to be accountable
Posted by: catewitt
Posted on: 2002-11-07 18:36:09
I agree that Angela needs to be accountable but how can she learn to do this when her own mother shirks and deflects all her responsibility. When Jay asked Beth if she had anything to do with her running away, she said, "no". I mean obviously by hiding in her daughter's room to get away from her abusive husband she was hurting her daughter and if she doesn't readily and constantly admit that and apologize for that, then why should her daughter admit to any wrong doing. It's two generations of women here who don't want to be accountable for their actions.
Posted by: catewitt
Posted on: 2002-11-07 18:36:09
I agree that Angela needs to be accountable but how can she learn to do this when her own mother shirks and deflects all her responsibility. When Jay asked Beth if she had anything to do with her running away, she said, "no". I mean obviously by hiding in her daughter's room to get away from her abusive husband she was hurting her daughter and if she doesn't readily and constantly admit that and apologize for that, then why should her daughter admit to any wrong doing. It's two generations of women here who don't want to be accountable for their actions.
Beth does need to be accountable
Posted by: nedders
Posted on: 2002-11-07 19:19:03
I can't believe that Beth did what she did. Then she wonders if Angela will ever trust her again. I think that both of them need help and I hope that they get it. I do believe that there is a chance of them getting back on track and I am so glad that Dr. Phil is not giving up on them.
Posted by: nedders
Posted on: 2002-11-07 19:19:03
I can't believe that Beth did what she did. Then she wonders if Angela will ever trust her again. I think that both of them need help and I hope that they get it. I do believe that there is a chance of them getting back on track and I am so glad that Dr. Phil is not giving up on them.
Beth has issues
Posted by: psychwoman
Posted on: 2002-11-08 13:56:47
Beth doesn't want help to have a relationship with her daughter - she wants allies to stroke her ego that she is "trying" to be a good mom and that Angela is "broken". If Beth has enough courage to step out of her victim role, she will stop sabbotaging Dr. Phil's efforts at intervention. Using him to track down her daughter and then betraying both him and Angela demonstrated her character. I would be interested to learn more of the home life and why step-dad is never shown. Get some cameras in that house and you will see a clearer picture.
Posted by: psychwoman
Posted on: 2002-11-08 13:56:47
Beth doesn't want help to have a relationship with her daughter - she wants allies to stroke her ego that she is "trying" to be a good mom and that Angela is "broken". If Beth has enough courage to step out of her victim role, she will stop sabbotaging Dr. Phil's efforts at intervention. Using him to track down her daughter and then betraying both him and Angela demonstrated her character. I would be interested to learn more of the home life and why step-dad is never shown. Get some cameras in that house and you will see a clearer picture.
Need more answers
Posted by: tessybird
Posted on: 2002-11-09 12:35:13
I agree with you. I've been watching these "Save Angela" shows and I'm totally frustrated (as I imagine Dr Phil, Jay & the rest are feeling)There is alot more going on with Beth, the "mysterious" step-dad, and Angela that would shed a great deal of light on this family. It's obvious Angela's family is censoring what viewers can and cannot see of this household...and that makes me very suspicious. This sweet girl is in so much pain...and her mother is more interested in being right & having things her way than helping her daughter deal with the baggage MOM dumped on her!
Posted by: tessybird
Posted on: 2002-11-09 12:35:13
I agree with you. I've been watching these "Save Angela" shows and I'm totally frustrated (as I imagine Dr Phil, Jay & the rest are feeling)There is alot more going on with Beth, the "mysterious" step-dad, and Angela that would shed a great deal of light on this family. It's obvious Angela's family is censoring what viewers can and cannot see of this household...and that makes me very suspicious. This sweet girl is in so much pain...and her mother is more interested in being right & having things her way than helping her daughter deal with the baggage MOM dumped on her!
Need More Answers
Posted by: martisue
Posted on: 2002-11-11 04:24:57
I am frustrated watching the Angela shows also. I feel like I'm missing something each time I watch. I also feel that mom "dumped" a lot of garbage on her daughter, but does anyone feel that Angela is trying to blackmail her mother. If things aren't the way she likes it then she runs away. Are things that bad at home, or are Beth and Angela having a power struggle?
Are we being just a little too hard on Beth?
She must have some concerns for Angela or she wouldn't have called Dr. Phill....
Or did Beth just not like the anwers and suggestions Dr. Phil gave her. So many unanswered questions.....
Posted by: martisue
Posted on: 2002-11-11 04:24:57
I am frustrated watching the Angela shows also. I feel like I'm missing something each time I watch. I also feel that mom "dumped" a lot of garbage on her daughter, but does anyone feel that Angela is trying to blackmail her mother. If things aren't the way she likes it then she runs away. Are things that bad at home, or are Beth and Angela having a power struggle?
Are we being just a little too hard on Beth?
She must have some concerns for Angela or she wouldn't have called Dr. Phill....
Or did Beth just not like the anwers and suggestions Dr. Phil gave her. So many unanswered questions.....
sweet girl!!??
Posted by: bagolfer
Posted on: 2002-11-11 23:49:37
Did you say Angela was a sweet girl!!!??? Give me a break. I totally applaud what Beth did, as it is time her daughter took some darn responsibility for her actions. You can't help someone if they don't want help, and it can't be forced. True, her mom should not give up on her, however, when a person does not want help, you can't force them. I think jail will be good for Angela, and it is about time that she is accountable for her actions.
Posted by: bagolfer
Posted on: 2002-11-11 23:49:37
Did you say Angela was a sweet girl!!!??? Give me a break. I totally applaud what Beth did, as it is time her daughter took some darn responsibility for her actions. You can't help someone if they don't want help, and it can't be forced. True, her mom should not give up on her, however, when a person does not want help, you can't force them. I think jail will be good for Angela, and it is about time that she is accountable for her actions.
Re: Sweet
Posted by: nomad_cais
Posted on: 2002-11-12 01:17:54
Is this the phrase you were refering to? "U (Angela) can continue 2 grow into the beautiful person U R intended 2B"..
If it is then ..."continue 2 grow"... I view life as a journey. Sometimes the path is rough, and seems ugly at times, but the final result may not be that horrible. And "person U R intended 2B" I think our maker intended us to be beautiful people, but its our maker/ our judge that determines our true beauty or not. Ciao
Posted by: nomad_cais
Posted on: 2002-11-12 01:17:54
Is this the phrase you were refering to? "U (Angela) can continue 2 grow into the beautiful person U R intended 2B"..
If it is then ..."continue 2 grow"... I view life as a journey. Sometimes the path is rough, and seems ugly at times, but the final result may not be that horrible. And "person U R intended 2B" I think our maker intended us to be beautiful people, but its our maker/ our judge that determines our true beauty or not. Ciao
please !!!!
Posted by: lori4two
Posted on: 2002-11-12 07:47:06
Exactly what benifit do you think jail would be for Angelia? I think Angelia should give up on Beth. It is no wounder that Angelia has issues, trust will be a big one for a long time I bet. Mabe if beth spent a few days in jail she would be better able to see where her daughters point of view is comming from. The kid seems to have a brain in her head . If she had someone at home she could trust to guide her she would have a better outlook on life.
Posted by: lori4two
Posted on: 2002-11-12 07:47:06
Exactly what benifit do you think jail would be for Angelia? I think Angelia should give up on Beth. It is no wounder that Angelia has issues, trust will be a big one for a long time I bet. Mabe if beth spent a few days in jail she would be better able to see where her daughters point of view is comming from. The kid seems to have a brain in her head . If she had someone at home she could trust to guide her she would have a better outlook on life.
Alanon
Posted by: balloubear
Posted on: 2002-11-11 18:58:03
There is a abusive situation going on in their lives, they need to break the chain or abusiveness. GO TO Alanon meetings. They don't have enough information to get out of their situations.
Posted by: balloubear
Posted on: 2002-11-11 18:58:03
There is a abusive situation going on in their lives, they need to break the chain or abusiveness. GO TO Alanon meetings. They don't have enough information to get out of their situations.
Been there
Posted by: fawnette
Posted on: 2002-11-09 09:55:21
Unless you have been where Beth is then I don't think it is fair to try to judge her. On the first show she DID say she was sorry that Angela had been exposed to the abuse that she was experiencing. How many times does she have to say it? Angela just wants to do what she wants to do and she doesn't give a damn about anyone else but herself. When my daughter was in a drug rehab center at the age of 17 her doctor told me she was the best he had ever seen! Said she had manipulation down to an art. So does Angela. It was like seeing my own daughter all over again. My daughter is now 35 and still going out of her way to hurt me. Some things never change. Beth is doing the best that she knows how to do. You have no idea how completely worn out that living through something like this can make a person. She is almost past feeling ANYTHING as just a protection to herself. Like I said, I've been there.
Lyn, Winter Park, FL
Posted by: fawnette
Posted on: 2002-11-09 09:55:21
Unless you have been where Beth is then I don't think it is fair to try to judge her. On the first show she DID say she was sorry that Angela had been exposed to the abuse that she was experiencing. How many times does she have to say it? Angela just wants to do what she wants to do and she doesn't give a damn about anyone else but herself. When my daughter was in a drug rehab center at the age of 17 her doctor told me she was the best he had ever seen! Said she had manipulation down to an art. So does Angela. It was like seeing my own daughter all over again. My daughter is now 35 and still going out of her way to hurt me. Some things never change. Beth is doing the best that she knows how to do. You have no idea how completely worn out that living through something like this can make a person. She is almost past feeling ANYTHING as just a protection to herself. Like I said, I've been there.
Lyn, Winter Park, FL
Agree with "been there," frustrated, and disgus
Posted by: iwan2bbetr
Posted on: 2002-11-13 12:45:38
I totally agree with "been there," and "Sweet?!!" First of all, since when do guests get away with such evasive answers as these two? Why did you run away, what about your home life is so horrible--"I don't know!" Give me a break. They both know a lot more than they are saying. Angela is doing this just to "stick it to her mother." I believe Beth is doing her best, as far as she knows how, and as flawed as it may be. Angela has to learn that part of learning to be an adult, is learning how to move past hard times, difficulties, and possibily tragic things that happen in our past, and as they come up in our everyday lives. To move from a nice home like we were shown, to a filthy "hole" like she showed Jay--just plain stupid! To draw in everybody's sympathy and then stomp on it by another stupid choice shows her selfishness. Running away just to see if her mom would come get her, and then her mom going to look for her but not daring to let her see that she DID come looking for her for fear she would run further? This just shows how out of balance this relationship is. Both of them need help. Angela needs a reality check, and definite boundaries. Mom needs credit for efforts.
GRRRR! Karen, Boise Idaho
Posted by: iwan2bbetr
Posted on: 2002-11-13 12:45:38
I totally agree with "been there," and "Sweet?!!" First of all, since when do guests get away with such evasive answers as these two? Why did you run away, what about your home life is so horrible--"I don't know!" Give me a break. They both know a lot more than they are saying. Angela is doing this just to "stick it to her mother." I believe Beth is doing her best, as far as she knows how, and as flawed as it may be. Angela has to learn that part of learning to be an adult, is learning how to move past hard times, difficulties, and possibily tragic things that happen in our past, and as they come up in our everyday lives. To move from a nice home like we were shown, to a filthy "hole" like she showed Jay--just plain stupid! To draw in everybody's sympathy and then stomp on it by another stupid choice shows her selfishness. Running away just to see if her mom would come get her, and then her mom going to look for her but not daring to let her see that she DID come looking for her for fear she would run further? This just shows how out of balance this relationship is. Both of them need help. Angela needs a reality check, and definite boundaries. Mom needs credit for efforts.
GRRRR! Karen, Boise Idaho
Don't Agree!
Posted by: dlg1979
Posted on: 2002-11-08 13:15:23
Angela is in no way an addict, she is a young woman responding to life events based on the we she was taught. A child must attach to another person from birth to survive, unfortunately Angela had an abusive father and a "choose to be a victim" mother. Angelas' actions are more the healthy screams from a young woman in danger and fear for help. This is the most healthy thing she can do, even if the maens are not the best. If you want to talk about addiction, let's talk about her mother, a woman who has chosen not with just one man, but with two, to accept abuse and place her child in it with her. Every time her mother allowed these men to verbally or physically abuse her is the same as an alcaholic tipping back another glass, at a differnt bar, and the getting behind the wheel.
Posted by: dlg1979
Posted on: 2002-11-08 13:15:23
Angela is in no way an addict, she is a young woman responding to life events based on the we she was taught. A child must attach to another person from birth to survive, unfortunately Angela had an abusive father and a "choose to be a victim" mother. Angelas' actions are more the healthy screams from a young woman in danger and fear for help. This is the most healthy thing she can do, even if the maens are not the best. If you want to talk about addiction, let's talk about her mother, a woman who has chosen not with just one man, but with two, to accept abuse and place her child in it with her. Every time her mother allowed these men to verbally or physically abuse her is the same as an alcaholic tipping back another glass, at a differnt bar, and the getting behind the wheel.
what?
Posted by: bummer123
Posted on: 2002-11-08 23:58:10
I THINK YOU HAVE MISSED SOMETHING. ANGELA SEEMS TO FREEZE WHEN HER MOM SPEAKS THINK MORE HAS GONE ON THAN WE KNOW.
Posted by: bummer123
Posted on: 2002-11-08 23:58:10
I THINK YOU HAVE MISSED SOMETHING. ANGELA SEEMS TO FREEZE WHEN HER MOM SPEAKS THINK MORE HAS GONE ON THAN WE KNOW.
Something is missing
Posted by: belleange
Posted on: 2002-11-11 10:42:56
Something that I have not seen happen with Angela is that no one has asked her how she feels about her mother putting her father in jail. I think Angela is angry at her mother for doing that even though the mother was being abused. Beth for what ever reasons took Angela's father away from her and at the time I think Angela was too young to realize it was a good thing. She needs to face her anger towards her mother and forgive Beth for doing the right thing. This is an issue that needs to be dealt with and not pussy foot around. Angela needs to make some choices here. She's not doing that. Kids react to get attention and she is getting it. So " how's it working for her?" Pretty good.
Posted by: belleange
Posted on: 2002-11-11 10:42:56
Something that I have not seen happen with Angela is that no one has asked her how she feels about her mother putting her father in jail. I think Angela is angry at her mother for doing that even though the mother was being abused. Beth for what ever reasons took Angela's father away from her and at the time I think Angela was too young to realize it was a good thing. She needs to face her anger towards her mother and forgive Beth for doing the right thing. This is an issue that needs to be dealt with and not pussy foot around. Angela needs to make some choices here. She's not doing that. Kids react to get attention and she is getting it. So " how's it working for her?" Pretty good.
Real help or Ratings?
Posted by: uralloserz
Posted on: 2002-11-08 18:58:05
You all sound like a bunch of cacklin hens, Beth is a bad mother, Angela is a addict, geeesh what a bunch of self righteous judgemental people you all are. It's like all of you know the whole story which I'm sure we're not being told, because thats the way the Media or talk shows do, and that away it gets them ratings. Why is Angela's life so interesting to you all, there are plenty of different stories out there, and so many people grow up in so many different ways. If Phil and Jay wanted to save this family and really help them, and it was this bad in their lives to begin with, why was it alright to bring them on t.v? Maybe people need to worry about their own lives and controling their own thoughts and beliefs, and quit watching others be torn apart for the sole purpose of entertainment. I can hear the ducks now!!
Posted by: uralloserz
Posted on: 2002-11-08 18:58:05
You all sound like a bunch of cacklin hens, Beth is a bad mother, Angela is a addict, geeesh what a bunch of self righteous judgemental people you all are. It's like all of you know the whole story which I'm sure we're not being told, because thats the way the Media or talk shows do, and that away it gets them ratings. Why is Angela's life so interesting to you all, there are plenty of different stories out there, and so many people grow up in so many different ways. If Phil and Jay wanted to save this family and really help them, and it was this bad in their lives to begin with, why was it alright to bring them on t.v? Maybe people need to worry about their own lives and controling their own thoughts and beliefs, and quit watching others be torn apart for the sole purpose of entertainment. I can hear the ducks now!!
excuse me??
Posted by: robinbutto
Posted on: 2002-11-08 19:50:49
TV, movies, radio and the web are our means of communication! I WANT to know what happens with Angela and Beth!! Dr. Phil's show is a public service. If only one family is saved the heartbreak caused by denial, power trips, and ignorance through life stories such as this, it's worth the show airing. I am taking notes. Beth is on a power trip. I know. I was on one for a long time with my youngest son, until I got help and Got Real .Wish Dr. Phil would have been available to me about 9 years ago, it would have saved heartbreak for both my son and for me.
Posted by: robinbutto
Posted on: 2002-11-08 19:50:49
TV, movies, radio and the web are our means of communication! I WANT to know what happens with Angela and Beth!! Dr. Phil's show is a public service. If only one family is saved the heartbreak caused by denial, power trips, and ignorance through life stories such as this, it's worth the show airing. I am taking notes. Beth is on a power trip. I know. I was on one for a long time with my youngest son, until I got help and Got Real .Wish Dr. Phil would have been available to me about 9 years ago, it would have saved heartbreak for both my son and for me.
I agree robinbutto
Posted by: patsy_gal
Posted on: 2002-11-11 01:06:54
robinbutto: I agree with you. Even though T. V. shows have to follow a prescribed structure, there is nothing prescribed or phony about the care, concern and time that Dr. Phil and his son are spending on Angela. There is not a big enough "pay off" to immerese oneself in another's pain, deal with the frustrations and road blocks that face Dr. Phil and Jay, knowing their efforts have no guarantee of working. I say they are integrity personified, and I am just glad to have an opportunity to learn and grow from watching the shows. Patsy
Posted by: patsy_gal
Posted on: 2002-11-11 01:06:54
robinbutto: I agree with you. Even though T. V. shows have to follow a prescribed structure, there is nothing prescribed or phony about the care, concern and time that Dr. Phil and his son are spending on Angela. There is not a big enough "pay off" to immerese oneself in another's pain, deal with the frustrations and road blocks that face Dr. Phil and Jay, knowing their efforts have no guarantee of working. I say they are integrity personified, and I am just glad to have an opportunity to learn and grow from watching the shows. Patsy
HEY
Posted by: bummer123
Posted on: 2002-11-09 00:00:03
YOU HAVING A PROBLEM? WE ARE JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW A MOTHER CAN BE SO UNCARING. WOULD YOU SEND YOUR DAUGHTER TO JAIL? I SURE WOULD NOT.
Posted by: bummer123
Posted on: 2002-11-09 00:00:03
YOU HAVING A PROBLEM? WE ARE JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW A MOTHER CAN BE SO UNCARING. WOULD YOU SEND YOUR DAUGHTER TO JAIL? I SURE WOULD NOT.
