10/07 Rescuing Angela
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Posted by: jstenulis
Posted on: 2002-10-07 09:08:12
My heart ached this morning as I watched Angela speaking. I pray that Dr. Phil can get through or at least break the surface with her. She is so pretty, appears very smart, and has a wonderful personality. It is a shame that her mother does seem to have grown tired or her daughter and will not reach out to her. I could not believe that she NEVER reached over to her to touch her, or comfort her!
When she told Dr. Phil's son that if her mother would have come knocking that she would have gone, I beleived her. But her mother says "she knew where to come call, or that she could get a ride home". The point she is totally missing is it would have been "HER" asking her daughter to come home that would have shown Angela that her mother did still care for her more than anything.
It's a shame.....thanks Dr. Phil for bringing this into our home. For those of us with young teens, it enlightens me to know that my children and I have such a great relationship.
Posted by: jstenulis
Posted on: 2002-10-07 09:08:12
My heart ached this morning as I watched Angela speaking. I pray that Dr. Phil can get through or at least break the surface with her. She is so pretty, appears very smart, and has a wonderful personality. It is a shame that her mother does seem to have grown tired or her daughter and will not reach out to her. I could not believe that she NEVER reached over to her to touch her, or comfort her!
When she told Dr. Phil's son that if her mother would have come knocking that she would have gone, I beleived her. But her mother says "she knew where to come call, or that she could get a ride home". The point she is totally missing is it would have been "HER" asking her daughter to come home that would have shown Angela that her mother did still care for her more than anything.
It's a shame.....thanks Dr. Phil for bringing this into our home. For those of us with young teens, it enlightens me to know that my children and I have such a great relationship.
AGREE
Posted by: aydrian
Posted on: 2002-10-07 12:39:00
I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU. THE MOTHER DIDN'T REACT NOTHING LIKE A LOVING CARING MOTHER. MAYBE SHE FOREGOT THAT A MOTHER'S LOVE IS UNCONDITIONAL. NO MATTER WHAT A CHILD HAS DONE YOU WILL ALWAYS BE THEIR MOTHER.
Posted by: aydrian
Posted on: 2002-10-07 12:39:00
I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU. THE MOTHER DIDN'T REACT NOTHING LIKE A LOVING CARING MOTHER. MAYBE SHE FOREGOT THAT A MOTHER'S LOVE IS UNCONDITIONAL. NO MATTER WHAT A CHILD HAS DONE YOU WILL ALWAYS BE THEIR MOTHER.
disagree
Posted by: dkozak
Posted on: 2002-10-08 15:53:27
the mother is a product of the problem that she has passed on to her child. She was abused so shut down and would not allow anyone to hurt her, therefore creating the illusion of not caring. If you were to check on her background you would probably find that she was the product of a home that had this type of abuse in it. It was not that she did not care, she was unable to unlock her feelings and allow herself to show that she really cared.
Posted by: dkozak
Posted on: 2002-10-08 15:53:27
the mother is a product of the problem that she has passed on to her child. She was abused so shut down and would not allow anyone to hurt her, therefore creating the illusion of not caring. If you were to check on her background you would probably find that she was the product of a home that had this type of abuse in it. It was not that she did not care, she was unable to unlock her feelings and allow herself to show that she really cared.
Hope
Posted by: thiefriver
Posted on: 2002-10-08 16:44:32
I agree with you.. When someone does not have the information about abuse its hard to recognize what has happened to you and why.
One may know they were abused but without support, referrals and information a person can stay stuck for ever and it is passed down like a hand me down shirt.
The cycle of abuse goes on and on like a mouse on a wheel and people wonder WHAT and WHY.. What a wonderful program..
I have Hope.. She is with the right people now to get through all this.
I feel this program will help so many people.
Posted by: thiefriver
Posted on: 2002-10-08 16:44:32
I agree with you.. When someone does not have the information about abuse its hard to recognize what has happened to you and why.
One may know they were abused but without support, referrals and information a person can stay stuck for ever and it is passed down like a hand me down shirt.
The cycle of abuse goes on and on like a mouse on a wheel and people wonder WHAT and WHY.. What a wonderful program..
I have Hope.. She is with the right people now to get through all this.
I feel this program will help so many people.
I also Agree
Posted by: cfs8642
Posted on: 2002-10-09 10:37:27
Angela seems to be smart, pretty, & messed up! She really need her Mom to talk from her heart & not her mind as Dr Phil put it. Her Mom still didn't get it. I hope her mother won't give up on her and I hope Angela won't give up on herself. I hope Dr Phil or Jay can get through to her and save her. I do think she is worth saving as she really does have a lot going for her and deserves much better! If anyone can do it, I think Dr Phil can! Thank God for this kind of show, where lives can be touched and people do have a place to turn to without doing something desperate! All I can say is ; it's about time we had a show like this instead of the stuff like Jerry Springer! I can only imagine how it must feel to be able to touch people like Dr Phil can do. Keep up the great work!
Posted by: cfs8642
Posted on: 2002-10-09 10:37:27
Angela seems to be smart, pretty, & messed up! She really need her Mom to talk from her heart & not her mind as Dr Phil put it. Her Mom still didn't get it. I hope her mother won't give up on her and I hope Angela won't give up on herself. I hope Dr Phil or Jay can get through to her and save her. I do think she is worth saving as she really does have a lot going for her and deserves much better! If anyone can do it, I think Dr Phil can! Thank God for this kind of show, where lives can be touched and people do have a place to turn to without doing something desperate! All I can say is ; it's about time we had a show like this instead of the stuff like Jerry Springer! I can only imagine how it must feel to be able to touch people like Dr Phil can do. Keep up the great work!
Well said! Prayers for Angela!!
Posted by: 2collies
Posted on: 2002-10-09 12:44:49
I am so in agreement with everything you stated. Angela appears to be very sharp, a kind person, underneath this awful gunk, and there is lots of potential within her. My hope is that Dr. Phil and Jay stick with Angela and can help guide her down the right path. You can see in her eyes that she just wants to be loved and a hug certainly would not hurt one bit! I am sorry to see the postings that Angela is gone again. Please say a prayer for her safety!
Posted by: 2collies
Posted on: 2002-10-09 12:44:49
I am so in agreement with everything you stated. Angela appears to be very sharp, a kind person, underneath this awful gunk, and there is lots of potential within her. My hope is that Dr. Phil and Jay stick with Angela and can help guide her down the right path. You can see in her eyes that she just wants to be loved and a hug certainly would not hurt one bit! I am sorry to see the postings that Angela is gone again. Please say a prayer for her safety!
Hope for Angela
Posted by: prh5050
Posted on: 2002-10-10 12:23:58
Angela is so lucky to have someone like Dr. Phil and Jay to talk with because her mother is not really "there for her." My daughter's parents were there for her, but she still chose to keep returning to a "less-than-desirable" lifestyle. After she broke up with the first useless one, she just found another one just like him! But, she had to endure 8 years of "misery" and a precious child from the first relationship before she really "opened her eyes" to what was happening. She is now 24 years old and is desperately trying to turn her life around. She is a Christian person, but somewhere along the way, she put that on the back burner. She would not go for therapy and was not willing to "listen" to anyone in the family nor her coworkers concerning the 2nd guy especially. I agree that her loved ones should NEVER give up! (God never gives up on any of us, so why should we give up on a confused, beautiful young lady like Angela and my daughter.)
My prayers are with her too.
Posted by: prh5050
Posted on: 2002-10-10 12:23:58
Angela is so lucky to have someone like Dr. Phil and Jay to talk with because her mother is not really "there for her." My daughter's parents were there for her, but she still chose to keep returning to a "less-than-desirable" lifestyle. After she broke up with the first useless one, she just found another one just like him! But, she had to endure 8 years of "misery" and a precious child from the first relationship before she really "opened her eyes" to what was happening. She is now 24 years old and is desperately trying to turn her life around. She is a Christian person, but somewhere along the way, she put that on the back burner. She would not go for therapy and was not willing to "listen" to anyone in the family nor her coworkers concerning the 2nd guy especially. I agree that her loved ones should NEVER give up! (God never gives up on any of us, so why should we give up on a confused, beautiful young lady like Angela and my daughter.)
My prayers are with her too.
Hope for Angela
Posted by: gottocrop1
Posted on: 2003-04-26 10:07:30
I have hope for Angela also. I agree with you that we should never give up on our kids. I did not see either show, I viewed the slideshow. I was drawn to Angela's story because I also have a daughter named Angela who is a wild child. She started engaging in dangerous activity at age 13. We are Christians and she was raised in the church. God does give all of us free will. No matter how far we run away from God, He never gives up on us. Keep trying! Hope springs eternal!
Posted by: gottocrop1
Posted on: 2003-04-26 10:07:30
I have hope for Angela also. I agree with you that we should never give up on our kids. I did not see either show, I viewed the slideshow. I was drawn to Angela's story because I also have a daughter named Angela who is a wild child. She started engaging in dangerous activity at age 13. We are Christians and she was raised in the church. God does give all of us free will. No matter how far we run away from God, He never gives up on us. Keep trying! Hope springs eternal!
Wiping away the tears
Posted by: cittabon
Posted on: 2004-03-22 22:00:02
Angela is such a norm in today's society. The things our children are exposed to are unbelievable. I have been a nurse over 30 years and thought myself street smart. I can tell you I didn't have a clue. The drugs that kids can get are almost invisible until they are almost consumed by them. Our world is sooooo busy. As parents we do our best. I did what I thought was right. My daughters were popular in school. They recieved average to above-average grades. Their friends were at our home frequently. Church was attended. We had family Sundays. They had individual time. But emotional abuse that lead to physical abuse in our home couldn't override the goodtimes and the "extras" that a working couples wages could provide. After twenty-years (and several attempts at marriage counseling) my husband
beating my daughter was the final straw. His physical abuse had finally shown its ugly face...the emotional abuse was cutting enough. Like so many others I was raised in an abusive home.
My youngest daughter felt she should have gotten the beating. After several counselors and drug rehabilitation she would no longer cooperate with the professionals. At the advice of counselors and AA groups I kicked her out of my home at 17. I became afraid in my home due to the type of people she was bringing in to visit. She also had become verbaslly abusive and attempted physical abuse on me.
The drug use is less. Her self-esteem is bottomed. She has dated only men that are physically, brutley physically and emotionally abusive to her. I continue to be in her life. I give very limited, loving advice when it is requested. I have bit my tongue to almost none existance. My heart breaks and we cry together. I don't know how to help her. It breaks my heart to see her deteriate. I have stopped being finacially available for her. The money was being used for drugs-not car insurance etc. that I was told. She is now working and managing to keep an apartment. I praise her where right choices/efforts are made.
The problem is letting go of someone one you cherish. So, I give her my unconditional love. We see each other at least once a month ( we live about an hour apart) and enjoy dinner and conversation together. I supply hugs, love and lots of kisses. I don't harp on what's wrong. But when she does something DUI recently she fears rejection/disappointment. She is aware I disagree with her lifestlye, but love her unconditionally. We talk
Posted by: cittabon
Posted on: 2004-03-22 22:00:02
Angela is such a norm in today's society. The things our children are exposed to are unbelievable. I have been a nurse over 30 years and thought myself street smart. I can tell you I didn't have a clue. The drugs that kids can get are almost invisible until they are almost consumed by them. Our world is sooooo busy. As parents we do our best. I did what I thought was right. My daughters were popular in school. They recieved average to above-average grades. Their friends were at our home frequently. Church was attended. We had family Sundays. They had individual time. But emotional abuse that lead to physical abuse in our home couldn't override the goodtimes and the "extras" that a working couples wages could provide. After twenty-years (and several attempts at marriage counseling) my husband
beating my daughter was the final straw. His physical abuse had finally shown its ugly face...the emotional abuse was cutting enough. Like so many others I was raised in an abusive home.
My youngest daughter felt she should have gotten the beating. After several counselors and drug rehabilitation she would no longer cooperate with the professionals. At the advice of counselors and AA groups I kicked her out of my home at 17. I became afraid in my home due to the type of people she was bringing in to visit. She also had become verbaslly abusive and attempted physical abuse on me.
The drug use is less. Her self-esteem is bottomed. She has dated only men that are physically, brutley physically and emotionally abusive to her. I continue to be in her life. I give very limited, loving advice when it is requested. I have bit my tongue to almost none existance. My heart breaks and we cry together. I don't know how to help her. It breaks my heart to see her deteriate. I have stopped being finacially available for her. The money was being used for drugs-not car insurance etc. that I was told. She is now working and managing to keep an apartment. I praise her where right choices/efforts are made.
The problem is letting go of someone one you cherish. So, I give her my unconditional love. We see each other at least once a month ( we live about an hour apart) and enjoy dinner and conversation together. I supply hugs, love and lots of kisses. I don't harp on what's wrong. But when she does something DUI recently she fears rejection/disappointment. She is aware I disagree with her lifestlye, but love her unconditionally. We talk
Seeking advice
Posted by: kristacunn
Posted on: 2005-01-05 14:38:20
My daughter is headed down the same road of destruction. When she ran away the first of December her Psychiatrist and Therapist said we have to let her come back on her own. She was living with a friend. We tried that and after a month she was putting herself in so much danger I had to step in. I have moved her 3 1/2 hours away from the city to a small town to live with her father. My only other option is a long term facility of 6-12 months which the doctors suggested. This is hard for me as a mother because I love her so much and tell and told her that daily with a hug. She is on medication but I'm not seeing much improvement and we have been going through this for over a year. I could use some advice from someone who has been through the same type of situation. Thanks.
Posted by: kristacunn
Posted on: 2005-01-05 14:38:20
My daughter is headed down the same road of destruction. When she ran away the first of December her Psychiatrist and Therapist said we have to let her come back on her own. She was living with a friend. We tried that and after a month she was putting herself in so much danger I had to step in. I have moved her 3 1/2 hours away from the city to a small town to live with her father. My only other option is a long term facility of 6-12 months which the doctors suggested. This is hard for me as a mother because I love her so much and tell and told her that daily with a hug. She is on medication but I'm not seeing much improvement and we have been going through this for over a year. I could use some advice from someone who has been through the same type of situation. Thanks.
Prayers for Angela
Posted by: iitazzzzzz
Posted on: 2002-10-10 19:22:49
I am the parent of a bright, intelligent,
beautiful, 17 year old daughter who has been there,done that and then alot of tragedies of the same as Angela. Please my first question of comment? you said Angela is gone again. Is this since the Dr. Phil Show? So,
So, concerned i have not read that posting please let me know ASAP?? Still in our Prayers! Amen.
Posted by: iitazzzzzz
Posted on: 2002-10-10 19:22:49
I am the parent of a bright, intelligent,
beautiful, 17 year old daughter who has been there,done that and then alot of tragedies of the same as Angela. Please my first question of comment? you said Angela is gone again. Is this since the Dr. Phil Show? So,
So, concerned i have not read that posting please let me know ASAP?? Still in our Prayers! Amen.
inmythoughts
Posted by: susarella
Posted on: 2002-10-14 22:15:46
after watching the show, it appeared that angela was confused.she wanted to go back to school yet something was holding her back.was she afraid of the boyfriend?would he hurt her if she decided to leave?as much as she wanted her mom in her life neither one of them were warm to one another.as a mother if you miss your child, i would hope that you would move mountains to have them back in your life regardless, we love our children unconditionally. i hope andpray that there is an angel looking after her. as bright as she appeared on the show she is also weak. dr.phil i hope that you stay in touch with her, as she needs a person like you in her life for direction.thank you.
Posted by: susarella
Posted on: 2002-10-14 22:15:46
after watching the show, it appeared that angela was confused.she wanted to go back to school yet something was holding her back.was she afraid of the boyfriend?would he hurt her if she decided to leave?as much as she wanted her mom in her life neither one of them were warm to one another.as a mother if you miss your child, i would hope that you would move mountains to have them back in your life regardless, we love our children unconditionally. i hope andpray that there is an angel looking after her. as bright as she appeared on the show she is also weak. dr.phil i hope that you stay in touch with her, as she needs a person like you in her life for direction.thank you.
In My Thoughts
Posted by: gottocrop1
Posted on: 2003-04-26 10:15:32
I am concerned about Angela as well as others like her. Is she drinking? Is she on drugs? Is she in counseling? What is she doing to help herself? Is her mother still in her life? Is Beth in counseling? Dr. Phil how can we help people who do not want to help themselves? I am very concerned about the youth of today. How can we make a difference in young peoples lives?
Posted by: gottocrop1
Posted on: 2003-04-26 10:15:32
I am concerned about Angela as well as others like her. Is she drinking? Is she on drugs? Is she in counseling? What is she doing to help herself? Is her mother still in her life? Is Beth in counseling? Dr. Phil how can we help people who do not want to help themselves? I am very concerned about the youth of today. How can we make a difference in young peoples lives?
prayers for Angela
Posted by: lorrry
Posted on: 2002-10-17 21:51:09
Yes, Dr. Phil reported on his show on Wed. that Angela had left her home again. I do hope that she can get her life straighted out.
Posted by: lorrry
Posted on: 2002-10-17 21:51:09
Yes, Dr. Phil reported on his show on Wed. that Angela had left her home again. I do hope that she can get her life straighted out.
I agree very strongly
Posted by: lizzab
Posted on: 2002-10-13 09:33:23
I was extremely moved to see Angela's reaction to Jay's positive comments about the wonderful person she is. The unfortunate thing is that until/unless she REALLY gets it gut-deep as opposed to accepting it in her head, things won't change for her. I hope that both Dr. Phil and Jay stick with this girl until she DOES get it! (Hmmm....is Jay single??? I could use a nice guy like that myself!!!)
Posted by: lizzab
Posted on: 2002-10-13 09:33:23
I was extremely moved to see Angela's reaction to Jay's positive comments about the wonderful person she is. The unfortunate thing is that until/unless she REALLY gets it gut-deep as opposed to accepting it in her head, things won't change for her. I hope that both Dr. Phil and Jay stick with this girl until she DOES get it! (Hmmm....is Jay single??? I could use a nice guy like that myself!!!)
prayerful
Posted by: cooann
Posted on: 2002-10-14 11:01:33
I am sad to hear that Angela is gone again. How can this be confirmed? I hope where ever she is she is at least reading this message board and can see how many moms and grandmoms and dads, etc. are so concerned for her safety and well being. She and her mom were so brave to go on TV with the truth and that proves there is a bond there.Angela and mom, I am praying you don't give up. Dr. Phil's favorite quote comes from his latest book and states, "Why haven't I done this before?" I use this anytime I am at a fork and need guidance.It motivates me to stick my neck out and try to get it right.
Posted by: cooann
Posted on: 2002-10-14 11:01:33
I am sad to hear that Angela is gone again. How can this be confirmed? I hope where ever she is she is at least reading this message board and can see how many moms and grandmoms and dads, etc. are so concerned for her safety and well being. She and her mom were so brave to go on TV with the truth and that proves there is a bond there.Angela and mom, I am praying you don't give up. Dr. Phil's favorite quote comes from his latest book and states, "Why haven't I done this before?" I use this anytime I am at a fork and need guidance.It motivates me to stick my neck out and try to get it right.
Posted by: kathanders
Posted on: 2002-10-17 15:27:54
My heart went out to this girl - I still felt at the end of the show she wasn't there. Her eyes were not saying what her mouth was. She needs help, I hope you stay with her and help her.
unloved
Posted by: kseipp
Posted on: 2002-10-15 15:59:31
I was also appalled at the moms body language. why does the girl even try with her? cant angela be put in a foster home? my cousin was 18 and got into one.
Posted by: kseipp
Posted on: 2002-10-15 15:59:31
I was also appalled at the moms body language. why does the girl even try with her? cant angela be put in a foster home? my cousin was 18 and got into one.
excuse me?
Posted by: lohnes
Posted on: 2002-10-17 19:02:28
I dont think so.I was in foster care all my life growing up...It was the worst!!! To this day im not close to my family.The mom needs to not give up on her!!!
Posted by: lohnes
Posted on: 2002-10-17 19:02:28
I dont think so.I was in foster care all my life growing up...It was the worst!!! To this day im not close to my family.The mom needs to not give up on her!!!
Peace love and understanding goes out to U lohnes
Posted by: trydntru
Posted on: 2002-10-18 16:00:36
First of all I'm sorry to hear that you feel your family gave up on you. I was in foster care also as a child. This I resented for many years. I have learned to come to understand why it happened and look at all of the good that came from it. I believe it takes a bad experience for us to learn and be able to experience the joy even tho it may be a hurtful experience for someone else. Try and step out of the situation and look at the whole picture. There are a lot of people who have children, they have no idea how to raise a child in a good healthy home. There are people who think thier children will be better off elsewhere because they don't feel they can give the child the life it deserves. I myself haven't been givein the blessing of a child. I thank god for that now that I am finally begining to understand why my life happened the way it did. I want to give a child a pure loving home, but first I had to find this within myself. Before I'm able to teach this to my children. I hope you can find it within yourself to look for the light of peace, love, and understanding. It opens a whole new life. Your in my prayers and may your healing begin :O)
Posted by: trydntru
Posted on: 2002-10-18 16:00:36
First of all I'm sorry to hear that you feel your family gave up on you. I was in foster care also as a child. This I resented for many years. I have learned to come to understand why it happened and look at all of the good that came from it. I believe it takes a bad experience for us to learn and be able to experience the joy even tho it may be a hurtful experience for someone else. Try and step out of the situation and look at the whole picture. There are a lot of people who have children, they have no idea how to raise a child in a good healthy home. There are people who think thier children will be better off elsewhere because they don't feel they can give the child the life it deserves. I myself haven't been givein the blessing of a child. I thank god for that now that I am finally begining to understand why my life happened the way it did. I want to give a child a pure loving home, but first I had to find this within myself. Before I'm able to teach this to my children. I hope you can find it within yourself to look for the light of peace, love, and understanding. It opens a whole new life. Your in my prayers and may your healing begin :O)
