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    siblings at war
    Posted by: srqnative
    Posted on: 2002-10-16 10:26:55


    My comment on this subject is simple and brief. It is VERY important to understand that any kind of continued anger, hostility and unhappiness has a negative impact on your entire life.

    I like to remember and practice it in my life that it takes much more engery to remain angry and ugly then it does to get over it and move on.

    Being happy is a positive emotion and has a positive effect on your health. Continued anger is draining and unhealthy.
      Equality issues in sibling discord
      Posted by: wunheart
      Posted on: 2002-10-16 12:04:38


      Anger or resentment between siblings often goes back to an equality issue. Either the siblings think they were not treated equally, or conversely,feel parents focused on equal treatment. However, as in todays show the sibs are plagued by feelings of inequality. I think the error begins with the parents emphasizing equality in the first place. Parents become referees giving kids the impression that this is what family life is about. Kids compete with each other while parents try (or don't) to dole out love, privileges,or material things equally.

      This is a parenting skills issue. Parents need the skill to take the focus off equality (practicing equality where possible, but making it a non-issue) and teach sibs that a focus on mutual love,appreciation and respect for each other is far more important and will serve them throughout life far better than the "did I get my fair share" style of equality. To fixate on equality is to set oneself up for a life filled with anger and resentment.

      Maybe parents focus on equality in order to avoid blame for not treating the siblings equally. The result is that not only are they blamed by the kids, but the kids grow up blaming eachother as well. Siblings are fixated even in adult life on their resentment around equality issues instead of having learned love and appreciation for each other.
      Let's train parents how to NOT make equality an issue...how to NOT blow the equality issue out of proportion and how to focus instead on he
      It's kinda like
      Posted by: pgnotdispa
      Posted on: 2002-10-16 23:40:07


      Dr. Philites,

      Okay, Okay, we've all watched from the background, hoping against hope that this show would be cancelled in its first week. Alas, this has not come to pass, so the inevitable criticism has to begin.

      To use the analogy method, so popular on this show, "it's kind of like expecting to bake a blueberry pie without taking American Foreign Policy beforehand." Cue the women nodding their head in approval, and the poor broken down husbands waiting for a bus to roll over them at any moment.

      Is this show biased against men, hmm, is the Pope Catholic? How often do you hear any balanced criticism of the all-so popular get in touch with your feelings movement? I can just see the people of the Depression expressing the need for closure, or to be closer to their parents. Oh yeah, that's right, they had to find a way to eat!

      Don't get me wrong, having Dr. Phil on has only added to enjoyment of all SNL viewers. Without him, the guy who talks to dead people, and the movie guy on Bravo, that show would be history.

      Face it Phil-ites, this show is going to go the way of so many other one-hit wonders, like Disco, polyester, the 8-track. Now, do us a favor, and let this show go. Release your husbands and significant others to a life of religious fulfillment, and to support the Los Angeles Laker's drive for a 4th consecutive title.

      Hollywood Hogan
        Then Don't Watch The Show ....
        Posted by: mjkucz
        Posted on: 2002-10-17 09:50:41


        You have really exerted enough energy to follow the show and to connect to the website and post message for someone who does not care for Dr. Phil and his philosophy! If you don't like it, then don't watch it or respond to it! Have you ever heard the comments "if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anthing at all"? No one is bending your arm to watch the show or comment about it. Sounds like you have some unresolved issues that you are dying to resolve, but are afraid to seek any guidance!!!
          I TOTALLY AGREE
          Posted by: taztmt
          Posted on: 2002-10-17 10:14:04


          I totally agree with you mjkucz...too much time and if they don't care, don't take the time to come to the site...
          This is the best?
          Posted by: pgnotdispa
          Posted on: 2002-10-18 01:51:22


          Phil-ites,

          This is the best you can do? Unresolved issues? Man, you have been watching this show too long. Of course I've watched the show, how can one do a legitimate, thoughtful commentary without viewing the source of criticism? By the way, the inference that you made, claiming that it would actually take someone a LONG Time to come up with the observations I did, is laughable.

          Is there anyone, I mean anyone out there that can put up a reasonable defense of this show??

          Hollywood
            pgnotdispa
            Posted by: pointy
            Posted on: 2002-10-18 09:18:07


            Dear Person,
            I have a lot to do during the day, but I will be happy to put together a 'reasonable' defense of Dr. Phil's show, if you will answer this for me first:
            Why is it that you invest so much time and energy to research, critique, and argue about a show that you admittedly do not like? Wouldn't it make more sense to look around for something that you DO like and shift your concentrated effort to that? Doesn't it make sense to devote your time to something that affects you positively rather than negatively? Don't you think that you would rather be a member of a board where you are a positive prescence rather than negative?

            I anxiously await your answer and my opportunity to defend Dr. Phil's show.

            Love and kisses,
            POINTY
              Democracy 101
              Posted by: pgnotdispa
              Posted on: 2002-10-21 13:21:45


              Pointy,

              Man, I hope Dr. Phil is monitoring these boards, because he might be able to do a show on conformity. We live, not in the purist sence of the word, in a democracy. Therefore, views, beliefs, creeds are proposed, challenged, discredited, affirmed. Not by dictate from a King, or limited oligarchy, but in the marketplace of ideas.

              Why criticize Dr. Phil? Because our society tolerates all points of view. You relate criticism with negativity. This is an assumption on your part. Could it be that, there is a possibility that this guy is making millions of dollars on absolutely worthless advice? Is it possible that these poor guests are taken advantage of?

              Too many times the people who go on these shows and watch them have serious problems and issues. Shows like Dr. Phil are just like Jerry Springer, but because he has a medical license, it is given more legitimacy. Not only within the media, but among the public as well.

              Your argument is all too universal. Don't question the universal beliefs, because the thought of being discredited is too much to take. What was that whole thing about the Earth being flat?

              Dr. Hollywood
                u all have good points
                Posted by: nikkivanc
                Posted on: 2002-10-26 07:04:25


                i do agree that dr? phil is a very female-biaised show. maybe his wife and oprah teach him at home. i've sure learned how whipped current 'university education' will 'make' the average male, but that seems to be what the modern women want whether enforced by law or social pressure. seems like the only view that is accepted in north america - canada-usa is the womens', or the men that mainly agree with and support her. u think america is female-dominated? try living up here in canada, its even worse.
                ?????
                Posted by: pointy
                Posted on: 2002-10-28 12:38:20


                So, you're saying that you criticize Dr. Phil because you can? Well that's great. What I'm saying is why not start your own Anti Dr. Phil website so you aren't forced to be around people who like him? We're here because we like him, he's a likeable guy, he's good TV, his advice makes sense to me, I like his approach. I watch his show not because I know whether or not he solves problems for the people who appear on it, but because I like his ideas, I like his approach, I like how he doesn't tiptoe around people who come to him for help trying not to hurt their feelings. The show doesn't have a Jerry Springer feel to me at all, but if it does to you, fine! Don't watch it! But don't berate people who do! My favorite ice cream flavor is mint chocolate chip. What's yours? Are you wrong if its NOT mint chocolate chip? Of course not! All I'm saying is that you might find yourself more comfortable surrounding yourself with like minded people, as I'm sure the people who you've inferred are 'sheep' for liking someone who happens to be on TV would find it more comfortable as well.
                The rest of what you wrote, I don't know what you're talking about. Take it easy.
        Hollywood Hogan
        Posted by: nativetxn2
        Posted on: 2002-10-18 14:06:53


        Obviously HH, the only taste you have is in your mouth. We all know that Dr. Phil and his show is a winner. Heck, I tape it so that my husband and I can watch it together...he had been making fun of me,now he's hooked too!

        NativeTXn2
    Adult siblings at war
    Posted by: jayers
    Posted on: 2002-10-16 10:38:12


    People don't realize that there can also be rivalry between brother and sister. Mine is not rivalry as much as no respect for each other. My brother has never shown respect for a woman, not even our 84 year old mother. She has seen a lot and done a lot, however, he is constantly belittling her and me, as well, in front of people, as though he knows everything. He is college educated, and has actually shown his ignorance in public. Sometimes it is very hard for me to be civil to him and I do so only out of respect for our mother. If we point out that he is wrong, he calls us crazy and tells us we don't know what we are talking about.
    Thanks for letting me get this off my mind. I have been living with it long enough.
      I TOTALY RELATE!!!
      Posted by: kkintz33
      Posted on: 2002-10-16 20:05:59


      I HAVE 4 BROTHERS LOST A SISTER 12 YEARS AGO TO CANCER WHOM WAS MY BEST FRIEND SHE WAS 28 (CANCER). I JUST LOST MY FATHER JUNE 5TH , THE KING DIED (I DONT MEAN THIS IN A LAUGHING MANNER) AND ALL HELL BROKE LOSE. NONE OF MY BROTHERS FEAL AS IS MY MOTHER AND MYSELF KNOW OUR HEADS FROM A HOLE IN THE GROUND. INSTEAD OF WORKING TOGETHER AND HELPING OUR MOTHER DURING A VERY DIFFICULT TIME AND BINDING TOGETHER, THEY ARE MORE CONCERNED ABOUT ONE OF MY BROTHERS EGOS BEING HURT BECAUSE HE FEALS AS IF HE SHOULD BE CONTROLLING ALL OF MY MOTHERS AFFAIRS BECAUSE DAD SAID SO. WHY IS THIS ALL HAPPENNING???? BECAUSE NONE OF THEM RESPECT WOMEN AND LIKE YOUR BROTHER THEY MAKE THIS CLEAR BY THE WAY THEY TREAT THE BOTH OF US. I AM TRULY SOORY YOU ARE FEALING THIS PAIN AS I AM AND I AM TRYING TO FIGURE IT OUT IN A MATURE FASHION AS I AM SURE YOU ARE TRYING TO DO THE SAME. I TRIED TO DISCUSS MY BROTHERS FEARS WITH HIM REGARDING WHY HE FELT AS IF HE SHOULD BE IN CONTROL OF MY MOTHERS AFFAIRS AND NOT HER AND HIS RESPONSE WAS "YOU NEED TO FIND YOUR PLACE IN THE FAMILY AND GET IN LINE" WOW NOT WHAT I WAS EXPECTING. HANG IN THERE!!!!

      SIGNED
      KKINTZ33
        Overbearing Brothers
        Posted by: nativetxn2
        Posted on: 2002-10-18 14:13:51


        Dear KKINTZ33,
        My mom always said that nobody can take advantage of you unless you allow it. Tell your brothers how the cow ate the cabbage and help your mom learn to stand on her own two feet. Next time one of them tells you to find your place in the family and get in line...well, if you're not big enough to take him down, tell him you have found your place, right at the front.

        NativeTXn2
          THANKS I NEEDED THAT!!!!
          Posted by: kkintz33
          Posted on: 2002-10-22 14:57:32


          YOUR RIGHT AMEN!!!!
    My Family
    Posted by: quenella
    Posted on: 2002-10-16 11:03:03


    Dr. Phil - this could be my twin sister and me - I have read your book & bought it for her but can't get her to read it - we get more distant every day........and we are married to brothers...........Debbie. We are so different, yet so alike but we can't seem to get along w/each other & when she is angry w/me, she won't let her children have anything to do w/me & I can't see them or talk w/them & I love them dearly, but she holds the cards on this one & she knows it - she knows how to hurt me or get to me......
      same situation
      Posted by: gakytr
      Posted on: 2002-10-16 15:43:31


      I definitely know how you're feeling. My sister and I are not twins, but we're only 15 months apart and she is my only sibling. We are also married to brothers. We are not talking right now, but that's not unusual. I feel the older we get the worse our relationship gets. Part of the reason is because I don't do whatever she says anymore, I do what I want to do and she don't like that. It's harder to deal with because she is married to my husband's brother. I wish we were not married to brothers, it would make things a little simpler. When she gets mad, she also uses her kids as a punishment. But I have children too, it should bother her that she don't see them. I wish I had some good advice to give you, but as you can see I'm in the same situation and I don't see it getting better anytime soon.
      I was there...
      Posted by: erminlady
      Posted on: 2002-10-16 19:51:55


      I was at the taping of this show and what happened OFF camera says as much if not more than what you saw while they were on the stage. After their time with Dr. Phil they sat in the audience close to where my daughter and I were sitting and we saw Julias reaction to what appeared to be an attempt by Katie to continue the rebuilding of their relationship. Katie put her hand on Julia's knee and immediately Julia pulled away, gave her sister a dirty look and turned her back, crossing her knees away from Katie. Obviously Julia has little if any desire to rekindle the sister to sister relationship that was worked on with Dr. Phil. ( Julia is the younger sister with the dark hair). My daughter and I both commented on this and we felt sad that so obviously the wall is still up for Julia. I hope Dr. Phil does a follow up on these two so we can see if their relationship is mended.
      Telisa and her brother held hands for much of the rest of the taping and often smiled at each other. Dr. Phil had definitely made an impact on their relationship!! Very good to see.
        three daughters
        Posted by: granhe
        Posted on: 2002-10-16 22:34:47


        Your show today was very personal After my son died @ 21 in1981 the family was never the same In1988 my husband died of a massive heart attack & for the next years we had very little closeness in the family My eldest moved back into the area & for a time it seemed that we would function as a family again but wishful thinking My eldest does not approve of the lifestyle of the other two & relations are strained Why can they not just accept one another Granhe
          BEEN THERE
          Posted by: nedarter
          Posted on: 2002-10-17 07:53:11


          I come from a family of 9 ages 53-38. My dad died in 1990 and all of us kids made a trip to California to see him. We all promised each other we'd keep in better touch. It is now 2002 and no changes. We all are within a days drive of each other from Devils Lake ND to Lincoln Ne. I have tried to keep them all up to date with my life but I do not receive any acknowledgement from them except my sis in Rapid City. I just became a grandma for the 1st time and no one even tries to acknowledge that!
          After seeing the show I emailed all my siblings and told them regardless I still love them and care about them!
          I used to have $200.00 phone bills trying to keep the lines of communication open but now I feel it is their turn to come to me!