09/26 Fight Over Fat

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    Mc Stupid!
    Posted by: divafitnes
    Posted on: 2002-09-26 08:07:09


    This is crazy!!! Our society has become so victim based that nothing is EVER that persons fault. Last time I checked McDonalds and most other fast food places have the nutritional information not only on the wall as a poster, but also in small brochures to take home. If one is not in the store then you can usually call their headquarters to get one. The key is taking the time to do it!!! Plus any idoit knows Big Macs are fattening!!! But then again I thought any idiot knew that hot coffee was HOT & that you shouldn't put it between your legs while driving....hmm I should sue Hostess for this fattening Twinkie I'm eating, I'm sure I'm damaged in SOME way.
      quit victimizing ourselves
      Posted by: amandamcox
      Posted on: 2002-09-26 10:38:45


      I agree that our society blames everyone and everything but ourselves for our problems. We need to wake up and realize that we have free will and if we choose to shove 55 grams of fat and 1600 calories into our mouths, we aren't going to look like Cindy Crawford. You want to sue someone because you're fat? Go ahead, it's not going to make you not fat. Only you can do that. Healthy slim people are healthy and slim because they take it upon themselves to be responsible and take charge of their bodies. We have to educate our children, keep them active, keep ourselves active and live healthy lives in order for there to be a change of any kind. It starts and ends with us.
        Money is the only reason
        Posted by: gdgrl00
        Posted on: 2002-09-26 19:08:28


        I know it's all about the money. Can you imagine the teasing the little girl is going to get for being fat and winning a law suit. Just imagine if they do win? That means that it's okay to be over weight. It is not just weight. The commercials to sue the drug companies for trying to help us lose weight with out us doing any excersize. We demand things given them and then if things go wrong now we're not responsible the company that gave us what we ask for is. Stupid lazy people not ignorant.
        QUIT VICTIMIZING OURSELVES??
        Posted by: loradbu
        Posted on: 2002-09-26 21:48:35


        Wow, the diet industry can now find new jobs because amandamcox has solved the problem! You go, Girl! She says "Healthy slim people are healthy and slim because they take it upon themselves to be responsible and take charge of their bodies." Now why didn't all the fat people in America know this? Being physically predisposed to obesity is a crock all you have to do is "take charge of your body"! Thanks to you I can now cancel my gastric bypass surgery!

        Seriously though, it's attitudes like this that make ladies like the rude one on the show today keep up their attack against large size people. Some people are naturally slim and eat at McDonald's all the time. I have two sons who are both 6'5" tall and they eat fast food daily and are so thin they look like two giant praying mantis bugs. Yes, exercise, wise food choices, and meal planning are key to fighting obesity but recent studies prove it's not just bad eating habits and lack of exercise that contribute to obesity.

        Please think before you speak and educate yourself on a topic. You never know who you may hurt with your comments.

        Thanks,

        Lora
          Its Business' Fault
          Posted by: gartnerag
          Posted on: 2002-09-26 23:16:37


          I'm sorry, but as much as I like Dr. Phil, todays tirade about airlines misses the point. Yes you are big. Maybe it isn't your fault. Maybe you are very big. Maybe that isn't your fault either. But why blame airlines when they try to accommodate fat people or when they charge for the seat. When I get on an airline, I don't mind big people taking two seats, as long as I get mine, and not half of mine. I don't mind paying $1.99 for a hamburger, but I shouldn't have to pay for your angioplasty because you ate 1000 of them. People call me bald, they call me fat, and they call me "white guy". Get on with life, all of you, and quit wasting the precious time God gave you by moaning about what you aren't.

            Posted by: shaquedado
            Posted on: 2002-10-07 11:50:53


            HOW WOULD YOU FEEL IF THEY MADE YOU PAY FOR TWO SEATS? EVERYBODY THAT IS OVERWEIGHT DOES NOT HAVE MONEY TO PAY FOR TWO SEATS EVERY TIME THEY FLY. EVERYBODY THAT IS FAT DIDN'T GET FAT BY EATING HAMBURGERS AND OTHER FAST FOODS, SOME PEOPLE HAVE A DESEASE THAT MAKES THEM FAT. WOULD YOU STILL FEEL THE SAME WAY AMOUT THEM?
              Disease of the Mind
              Posted by: whosays
              Posted on: 2003-03-25 08:54:42


              I have lived with a man who has blamed every situation and everyone else (including me) for his weight problem while refusing to acknowledge that his family dynamics might have something to do with it. I found out that while I could not have any kind of sweets in the house because of his lack of control, he would go out and buy the stuff on the sly. His sisters' (who are in their 40's) fearful reaction to the fact that their obese father might find out that I threw food away was pretty telling. The fact that they are always discussing recipes, low fat stuff and diets (or lack of) and never dealing with anger/abuse issues that occurred in their house is pretty telling also. Yes, I call it a disease also, although not a physical one and denial is not a river in Egypt.

              A diabetic has to pay for his insulin regardless of the fact that his genetics (over which he has no control) might be a prevalent factor in the disease, a person who becomes depressed for whatever reason has to pay for medication. Why shouldn't an overweight person have to pay for 2 seats if he/she is taking up more than the amount of space that a healthy weight individual would take up.
            Better late than never!
            Posted by: vonpultz
            Posted on: 2003-08-11 10:16:43


            This is a bit late, but when you live in Denmark the show is watched some months later. Why shouldn't people blame airlines in this show??? According to what they say, is that a wife of one of the men, called in advance to tell them that her husband was a large man. The airline didn't make any comment on a second ticket at the time, instead they did it at the desk, when the family was ready to fly. And it's true, not everybody has the money to pay for two tickets, especially not, if you're told about it in the last minute. But I do believe that they should give them an extra seat for free or maybe half the extra cost for the ticket.

            Well, we women love to talk, so I'll carry on. In the show there was a man, who had a problem sitting next to a large man, who nearly filled out the two seats. Isn't it the airlines problem to make sure that they are both comfortable? I've always been told that good service is always expected in your country.

            My mother had the same problem, when she went to visit a friend in Florida with my father. She didn't sit next to my dad in the first place, which doesn't really matter. But she did get stuck between a large married couple. Now my mother is skinny to underweight, and she wasn't comfortable between the couple. When she asked the flight attendant, if she could move to one of the empty seats, she was told no, because of the seating plan. I think that if the airline had been a bit more accomodating to the three of them, they could all have
          Yeah, you go amandamcox
          Posted by: quebee01
          Posted on: 2002-09-27 02:25:36


          I'm sorry, but I have to side with amandamcox when she said fat people need to "take charge of their bodies?"
          "Now why didn't all the fat people in America know this?" you ask? They know...and you know, they know. Fat people just choose to accept the fact that they are overweight, and live on with their lives. They see so much support on tv and in magazines that say it is okay to be overweight, it is a beautiful thing, and if you don't like me for who I am, oh well. But go behind the tv shows and the magazines, they will tell you that it is okay to be fat, as long as you are healthy. Think about it, would they praise the fact that fat people are beautiful, if deep down inside they had high cholesterol and diabetes? One really has to be disciplined enough to take control of who they are..whether it is in mind or body.
          About the "rude lady" on the show, what would you have done if you could not see, and then it led you to share the next seat with your friend (now causing you and your friend to be uncomfortable?)? You would think that people would be courteous enough and more aware of their surroundings and of themselves.
          About your sons, they must have high metabolisms or active lifestyles. You said, "recent studies prove it's not just bad eating habits and lack of exercise that contribute to obesity." Then what else contributes to it? If you eat, let's say, because you are stressed, you still have control of what goes into your mouth. Your sons might ha

            Posted by: luvhurts
            Posted on: 2002-09-27 17:35:37


            I am over weight. I eat out occasionally. I don't eat a lot of junk food and I exercise regularly. All over weight people aren't over weight because of what they put in their mouth. I eat healthy. I still have treats now and again, but not enough to have caused all the weight that I have gained. I gained 40 pounds while I was exercising every day and I wasn't eating a lot. How is this explained? I don't know. I know my dad is almost 300 lbs and his mom was over 300 lbs. Like I said though I exercise between 30-60 minutes 3-4 times a week and I don't eat a lot of junk yet I am still about 40 lbs over weight.

            I don't agree with the lawsuit either. There are lots of things that contribute to being overweight. Everyone has the choice of what they put in their mouths. It isn't any fast food chains fault.
              How to be Skinny and Perfect
              Posted by: weight4me
              Posted on: 2002-09-30 04:56:52


              I have always been thin. I used to be so bored because all my friends ever talked about was dieting and losing weight. I was in my late 30s when my weight exploded. And that was after I STARTED exercising, eating healthier foods, and quit having drinks after work!
              I know what a calorie is. I know the difference between sugar calories and fat calories. Just because I am overweight doesn't mean I am stupid. Because I have better manners than many of those around me, I listen tolerantly as I am lectured to by well-meaning friends and family. But, when I had the flu for 2 weeks, the first week I ate and drank nothing for 4 days, I was so sick. The next 3 days I drank a little water and had 2 crackers a day. At the end of the week, after thinking, At least I must be losing weight! It's worth it to be so sick, if only I lose weight... But the scales told me I had GAINED 4 pounds. For every diet or exercise plan or pharmaceutical plan I try, I will lose a few pounds for a couple of months. Then it is as if my body realizes, "OH! THAT's what she's doing! Okay... then I'll counter with this..." and I start gaining. I lost 44 pounds on Phen-Fen (took it for 18 months) and then started gaining again, while still taking the stuff, and yes, I saw a nutritionist once a week, reported to her every morsel I ate, every swallow I drank. She said I was doing everything right. If I could lose weight by eating nothing for a week, and only drinking water, I'd DO it. My last few doc
              How to be Skinny and Perfect Pt II
              Posted by: weight4me
              Posted on: 2002-09-30 04:59:41


              My last few doctors have told me I should eat MORE, and get out of Starvation Mode.

              So don't get all self-righteous on me, or lecture to me about kindergarten-level dieting rules. I have a BLACK BELT in dieting and exercise. I can see in the mirror just fine, and believe me, I have to look at me much more often than you do.

              LuvHurts, you said everything right. This show really struck a nerve with me.. and I'm so glad to see I am not alone.
            re: YEAH, YOU GO AMANDAMCOX
            Posted by: ervwa1717
            Posted on: 2002-09-28 00:35:28


            Not all diabetics are obese and not all obese people are diabetics. I work in an office of 10. I am obese and my hdl is 55 and my ldl is 100 for a combined total of 155. The other people in my office, most of normal weight, the rest slightly under, all have cholesterol number 200 and over. You are wrong to assume that all fat people are fat because they want to be. I'm not. I have a medical condition that is now being controlled by medication. But before I was diagnosed, I had accepted that this was my life. Oh, in case you haven't noticed, skinny and "normal" people die from heart disease and diabetes related illness on a daily basis. Check your local obits sometimes.
            Go spend one week in MacDonald's or any other fast food place and do a visual survey.You'll be surprised to found that most of the patrons are not fat, but skinny and "normal".
            Most fat people have tried every diet known to mankind and we have find out that they don't work if you have more that 15-20 lbs. to lose. If you have more to lose, it's easy to get discouraged and give up half way to your goal. Plus, a person gets tired of living up to everyone else's expectations 24 hours a day, 7 days a week and always falling short of the mark. You try it and see how your life is at the end of a month.
            If you've ever had to lose weight, you should know that it's the hardest battle in the world to fight. And NO ONE has the right to criticize anyone until you've walked along their path and lived their
          Yeah, you go amandamcox
          Posted by: quebee01
          Posted on: 2002-09-27 02:27:22


          I'm sorry, but I have to side with amandamcox when she said fat people need to "take charge of their bodies?"

          "Now why didn't all the fat people in America know this?" you ask? They know...and you know, they know. Fat people just choose to accept the fact that they are overweight, and live on with their lives. They see so much support on tv and in magazines that say it is okay to be overweight, it is a beautiful thing, and if you don't like me for who I am, oh well. But go behind the tv shows and the magazines, they will tell you that it is okay to be fat, as long as you are healthy. Think about it, would they praise the fact that fat people are beautiful, if deep down inside they had high cholesterol and diabetes? One really has to be disciplined enough to take control of who they are..whether it is in mind or body.

          About the "rude lady" on the show, what would you have done if you could not see, and then it led you to share the next seat with your friend (now causing you and your friend to be uncomfortable?)? You would think that people would be courteous enough and more aware of their surroundings and of themselves.

          About your sons, they must have high metabolisms or active lifestyles. You said, "recent studies prove it's not just bad eating habits and lack of exercise that contribute to obesity." Then what else contributes to it? If you eat, let's say, because you are stressed, you still have control of what goes into your mouth. (Con't)
            Con't
            Posted by: quebee01
            Posted on: 2002-09-27 02:31:54


            Your sons might have high metabolisms or very active lifestyles to prevent those foods from sticking to their bodies. But trust me, even though they are not labeled obese, it will catch up to them if they are eating it every day...like you said. Who are they going to blame then, for their body condition? They couldn't possible know that eating unhealthy wasn't good for them, right? I mean it never showed, so they thought they were okay, right?
            I'm am not trying to offend you and I'm and not trying to jinx your sons.
            Now let me tell you about me. I am 19 years old, weigh about 170lbs, am 5'6", and have a large frame. I would not say I am really fat, I am solid. Very solid. I realize that some of the solidness is fat, and could use some work. I used to be very big. I balloned early. In elemetary school, I weighed about 175lbs and was about 5'0". Then in middle school, I peaked at about 220lbs and was about 5'2". Then I started to grow out in high school. By senior year I was 5'6" and 170lbs. I still look great, but I know that I need alittle bit more work. I know that I have to keep myself on top of things and stay focused if I really want to see results in my life. Hard work pays off.
            About the surgery, now the only surgery that I would get would be to tuck in my arms and my stomach...but I love food too much. I love it, but I can handle it now. I just wanted to let you know that I am not some skinny girl talking just talking. I just have to a
            Con't
            Posted by: quebee01
            Posted on: 2002-09-27 02:32:42


            Your sons might have high metabolisms or very active lifestyles to prevent those foods from sticking to their bodies. But trust me, even though they are not labeled obese, it will catch up to them if they are eating it every day...like you said. Who are they going to blame then, for their body condition? They couldn't possible know that eating unhealthy wasn't good for them, right? I mean it never showed, so they thought they were okay, right?

            I'm am not trying to offend you and I'm and not trying to jinx your sons.

            Now let me tell you about me. I am 19 years old, weigh about 170lbs, am 5'6", and have a large frame. I would not say I am really fat, I am solid. Very solid. I realize that some of the solidness is fat, and could use some work. I used to be very big. I balloned early. In elemetary school, I weighed about 175lbs and was about 5'0". Then in middle school, I peaked at about 220lbs and was about 5'2". Then I started to grow out in high school. By senior year I was 5'6" and 170lbs. I still look great, but I know that I need alittle bit more work. I know that I have to keep myself on top of things and stay focused if I really want to see results in my life. Hard work pays off.

            About the surgery, now the only surgery that I would get would be to tuck in my arms and my stomach...but I love food too much. I love it, but I can handle it now. I just wanted to let you know that I am not some skinny girl talking just talking. I ju

              Posted by: loradbu
              Posted on: 2002-09-27 16:30:38


              You are 19 and young. You have a lot to learn, with age (hopefully) comes wisdom. Hang in there and someday I hope you understand what I am trying to say. The "answer" is not that easy, if it were then why do we have a multi-billion dollar diet industry in this country? My point is that not ALL skinny people are skinny because they "take charge of their bodies" and not ALL fat people are fat because they "don't take charge of their bodies." People with this opinion are pompus (like the rude lady in the audience. Who died and left her in charge of the Fat Police?) and hurt others with their narrow view's.

              Think about it!
            I don't choose to accept thay I am overweight
            Posted by: luvhurts
            Posted on: 2002-09-28 17:21:45


            I do take charge of my body. I exercise. Sometimes I exercise 3 times or more in a day. I walk with my husband, I go to an exrcise club called Curves for Women, and I do Oxycise and lift weights at home. Sometimes I do this every day and sometimes only 4 days out of the week. I don't eat out a lot and I don't eat a lot of junk food. I have been doing this for years and I have only lost 5 lbs. I still am about 35 lbs over weight. There isn't much more I can do. I am not going to eliminate every good tasting thing out of my diet. I eat treats in moderation and I don't even drink a whole soda to myself, I don't drink alchol either. Some people, like me have a very low metabolism. I would have to cut my calories so low to get weight off. I also want to enjoy life. Life wouldn't be as enjoyable if I cut everything that was bad for me out. My cholesterol is below 200 and I am not a diabetic. I am very healthy. Some people that are overweight also have low thyroid or other medical conditions that you know nothing about.

            Sure some people are fat because of choices they make. Some people do eat too much and are lazy, but that doesn't mean that all overweight people are like that.
              To: "luvhurts" YES!! If only ALL women read this!
              Posted by: wyldkat
              Posted on: 2002-10-02 12:15:59


              You are so right when you say "some people are fat because of choices they make....that doesn't mean that all overweight people are like that (unhealthy)." I am 35, 5'8" and 160lbs of solid muscle and little fat. I work very, very hard to look like this, and I thank the "Gods of genetics" every day that I'm able to be me. Anyone into weight training who reads about their sport knows this much: your muscle shape, fibres, and ability to develop are ALL determined the day you are conceived. I was born with a lot of muscle fibre so am able to "battle the buldge" by building big muscles; most women are not as fortunate as I am. Don't get me wrong, I also have a genetic tendency towards fat development as well, but genetics have granted me enough muscle development ability that if I build it enough, do cardio, and eat right, I can just (and I do mean JUST!) keep my fat level under control. I know some overweight women who are FAR healthier than I am and I also know some thin women (who some men think look better than I do), who smoke and drink and eat junk food and are far UNhealthier than I am and I could run circles around them at the gym. In my sport I've learned this much (and I see you totally get this, but unfortunately most women don't so beat themselves up): you can only do the very best with what genetics you were born with; as long as you are doing your very best with those genetics (which we are), then you have to accept the result, period. I accept happily tha
                Blame
                Posted by: mamahama
                Posted on: 2002-10-07 12:03:13


                Blaming the fast food industry for your fat problems is ridiculus. What goes into your mouth is up to you. What kind of food you have eaten determines your weight and general health. Look in the mirror instead of looking for a lawyer. The lawyer will relieve you of some weight($). That should help you "get it".