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Posted by: janigrlhot
Posted on: 2003-05-13 07:11:33
Although I have not seen the show yet, I can relate, I have been addicted to pain pills for years, My familt thinks I am off them once and for all but I am not, It's such a sad thing to have something control your life like this does, The time and energy spent in aquiring the pills needed to keep from being sick is exausting. I gave it up once for 4 yrs and had another child. I wish I could give it up once and for all.
Posted by: janigrlhot
Posted on: 2003-05-13 07:11:33
Although I have not seen the show yet, I can relate, I have been addicted to pain pills for years, My familt thinks I am off them once and for all but I am not, It's such a sad thing to have something control your life like this does, The time and energy spent in aquiring the pills needed to keep from being sick is exausting. I gave it up once for 4 yrs and had another child. I wish I could give it up once and for all.
me too
Posted by: lesliebake
Posted on: 2003-05-13 12:38:13
I can relate too... I went trough battle after battle of prescription pain pill addiction for years... quitting only for my pregnancies. and the lsat time, I had to go inpatient to go through complete detox. How horrible. I have not seen this episode yet... It doesnt air until 5 pm my time... but Im looking forward to it. I think this is a prevalent problem that America is hiding. SO MANY HOUSWIVES have this problem.....
Posted by: lesliebake
Posted on: 2003-05-13 12:38:13
I can relate too... I went trough battle after battle of prescription pain pill addiction for years... quitting only for my pregnancies. and the lsat time, I had to go inpatient to go through complete detox. How horrible. I have not seen this episode yet... It doesnt air until 5 pm my time... but Im looking forward to it. I think this is a prevalent problem that America is hiding. SO MANY HOUSWIVES have this problem.....
been there
Posted by: parkerz
Posted on: 2003-05-13 15:16:00
i too have been to the pain pill addiction. i spent mothers day last year in a detox program.
once out of the program i think i was actually clean for two weeks. my husband and i separated after my detox and relapse and have recently got back together so i have been clean for two months but i think about those little pills everyday and the only thing that keeps me off of them now is the fear of going to jail because when i was fully into my addiction i wrote fake prescriptions and got caught so now i am a good girl. but i do want them everyday and if somebody offered them to me i would take them. when will this feeling go away? oh the money and time i have spent on getting pain pills. the thought makes me sick. my biggest problem now is trying to live in pain. i have found nothing that takes my pain away. if you are currently battling this addiction keep trying i too hope it will get better with each day at a time.
Posted by: parkerz
Posted on: 2003-05-13 15:16:00
i too have been to the pain pill addiction. i spent mothers day last year in a detox program.
once out of the program i think i was actually clean for two weeks. my husband and i separated after my detox and relapse and have recently got back together so i have been clean for two months but i think about those little pills everyday and the only thing that keeps me off of them now is the fear of going to jail because when i was fully into my addiction i wrote fake prescriptions and got caught so now i am a good girl. but i do want them everyday and if somebody offered them to me i would take them. when will this feeling go away? oh the money and time i have spent on getting pain pills. the thought makes me sick. my biggest problem now is trying to live in pain. i have found nothing that takes my pain away. if you are currently battling this addiction keep trying i too hope it will get better with each day at a time.
MISSED THE FIRST PART
Posted by: noonebutme
Posted on: 2003-05-13 15:40:11
I missed the first part - what was Dr. Phil's advice on the painkiller addiction?
Posted by: noonebutme
Posted on: 2003-05-13 15:40:11
I missed the first part - what was Dr. Phil's advice on the painkiller addiction?
what you missed
Posted by: mamaleona
Posted on: 2003-05-14 00:11:05
I watched the episode today,and told myself not too miss, I am sorry that you missed the 1st part becauce DR. Phil gave straight foward advice to a "painkiller addict" mom with her appearance on the show he set her up with a psychotherapist to help her with her problem.His advice: "to get real!" it was a real heartbraking story and I think quit helpful to those moms "living a lie"
Posted by: mamaleona
Posted on: 2003-05-14 00:11:05
I watched the episode today,and told myself not too miss, I am sorry that you missed the 1st part becauce DR. Phil gave straight foward advice to a "painkiller addict" mom with her appearance on the show he set her up with a psychotherapist to help her with her problem.His advice: "to get real!" it was a real heartbraking story and I think quit helpful to those moms "living a lie"
Thanks mama
Posted by: noonebutme
Posted on: 2003-05-14 07:53:35
Thanks so much for your response. I, too, am sorry that I missed this part - I will try to watch the slideshow on this website. Thanks again for your help.
Posted by: noonebutme
Posted on: 2003-05-14 07:53:35
Thanks so much for your response. I, too, am sorry that I missed this part - I will try to watch the slideshow on this website. Thanks again for your help.
Your Welcome noonebutme
Posted by: mamaleona
Posted on: 2003-05-14 22:29:24
Thanks for your response, Im glad that you were able to respond. I have been taking part in this discussion with others and have been inspired by many I hope that you can have the enjoyment of reading the thoughts of all who have stated thier mind. This is somewhat new to me so I have been trying to read and write back to everyone who has placed their input.So I just wanted to say thanks for your reply.
Posted by: mamaleona
Posted on: 2003-05-14 22:29:24
Thanks for your response, Im glad that you were able to respond. I have been taking part in this discussion with others and have been inspired by many I hope that you can have the enjoyment of reading the thoughts of all who have stated thier mind. This is somewhat new to me so I have been trying to read and write back to everyone who has placed their input.So I just wanted to say thanks for your reply.
hi
Posted by: eandgwz
Posted on: 2003-08-13 16:57:25
basically that you cant hide in the dark...you have to confront this addiction and lay everything on the line...that was his advice...basically not telling her to quit since it would cause her child to abort from the withdrawl symptoms
Posted by: eandgwz
Posted on: 2003-08-13 16:57:25
basically that you cant hide in the dark...you have to confront this addiction and lay everything on the line...that was his advice...basically not telling her to quit since it would cause her child to abort from the withdrawl symptoms
What do you mean "live with the pain"?
Posted by: pattiramey
Posted on: 2003-05-15 01:19:51
Obviously you were having pain and that is why you received pain pills. What causes your pain, and why is it that you think you were addicted? There is a big difference between addiction and physical dependence that many doctors don't even realize. Were you only physically addicted? When in detox, what happened? Did you have withdrawals? What kind? Many people have to take pain pills to live with pain including cancer sufferers and people in chronic pain. They are not addicted, they are physically dependent. Did the pills get you "high" or just relieve the pain? I'm very curious if you don't mind talking about it. I can see that you were committing crimes to get them, but were you truly addicted or simply being undertreated for you pain? It's a HUGE problem in the US that needs to be addressed and rectified.
Posted by: pattiramey
Posted on: 2003-05-15 01:19:51
Obviously you were having pain and that is why you received pain pills. What causes your pain, and why is it that you think you were addicted? There is a big difference between addiction and physical dependence that many doctors don't even realize. Were you only physically addicted? When in detox, what happened? Did you have withdrawals? What kind? Many people have to take pain pills to live with pain including cancer sufferers and people in chronic pain. They are not addicted, they are physically dependent. Did the pills get you "high" or just relieve the pain? I'm very curious if you don't mind talking about it. I can see that you were committing crimes to get them, but were you truly addicted or simply being undertreated for you pain? It's a HUGE problem in the US that needs to be addressed and rectified.
hey to you in recovery!
Posted by: lesliebake
Posted on: 2003-05-15 21:28:40
Hi-
I posted up top... Im Leslie. Have you been attending any 12 step programs at all? They might be helpful to you and staying clean. Also, when I got out of detox, I entered a 12 week intensive outpatient program. It was really hard for me, since I am a stay at home mom of 3 small kids... but I found a program that was at night, 3 days per week (most hospital affiliated IOPs -intensive outpatient programs - are during the day...)-- It was expensive--- but they took insurance, and it was invaluable to me. Besides the support, I learned SOOOO much about my addiction. The cravings will get easier as time goes on... Keep in mind (Im not trying to preach here...) that you have to try to stay off of ANY mind altering substances... meaning all pain meds, and tranquilizers (like valium, xanax, etc), all alcohol.... because there is an "addictive" part of your brain that was ignited during your addiction.--- and as time goes on and as you stay clean, that part of your brain kind of goes to sleep... but ANY use, even a glass of wine with dinner... reignites that addictive part, and can lead to a full blown relapse. I had a really hard time with accepting this, because alcohol was never my problem... and I had a hard time thinking I could never enjoy a glass of wine or anything... they call it cross-addiction. you might not become an alcoholic, per se, but like I said, it kind of fires up that part of your brain that controls your addiction and your cravings and desires for
Posted by: lesliebake
Posted on: 2003-05-15 21:28:40
Hi-
I posted up top... Im Leslie. Have you been attending any 12 step programs at all? They might be helpful to you and staying clean. Also, when I got out of detox, I entered a 12 week intensive outpatient program. It was really hard for me, since I am a stay at home mom of 3 small kids... but I found a program that was at night, 3 days per week (most hospital affiliated IOPs -intensive outpatient programs - are during the day...)-- It was expensive--- but they took insurance, and it was invaluable to me. Besides the support, I learned SOOOO much about my addiction. The cravings will get easier as time goes on... Keep in mind (Im not trying to preach here...) that you have to try to stay off of ANY mind altering substances... meaning all pain meds, and tranquilizers (like valium, xanax, etc), all alcohol.... because there is an "addictive" part of your brain that was ignited during your addiction.--- and as time goes on and as you stay clean, that part of your brain kind of goes to sleep... but ANY use, even a glass of wine with dinner... reignites that addictive part, and can lead to a full blown relapse. I had a really hard time with accepting this, because alcohol was never my problem... and I had a hard time thinking I could never enjoy a glass of wine or anything... they call it cross-addiction. you might not become an alcoholic, per se, but like I said, it kind of fires up that part of your brain that controls your addiction and your cravings and desires for
To Parkerz: Person in Pain
Posted by: pattiramey
Posted on: 2003-05-15 22:35:52
Please read my post entitled "What do you mean living with pain?" It was meant for you and I was not trying to be intrusive; I was trying to find out if you are an addict or if you just have been told by someone that you are. I have had many doctors tell me that I just have to "learn to live with it" when asking them about my pain, so it really struck a chord with me. That is why I asked you those questions before.
If you like, please read my other posts regarding pain questions (some are in response to others' statements) and my "soapbox statement" called Pain Crisis in America for information. People who are addicted and take meds for which they have no medical need or so they can get that "special feeling" are addicts. People who take pain meds because they are in pain are patients. Do you know which one you are? Physical dependence is common in people who require prescription pain relief, but that is NOT the same as ADDICTION. (Lots of doctors don't even understand that issue and assume people are addicted when they are not. It is a real shame for their patients.)
If you want to email me, my address is: pattil007@earthlink.net. I would be glad to help if I can.
God Bless You,
Patti
Posted by: pattiramey
Posted on: 2003-05-15 22:35:52
Please read my post entitled "What do you mean living with pain?" It was meant for you and I was not trying to be intrusive; I was trying to find out if you are an addict or if you just have been told by someone that you are. I have had many doctors tell me that I just have to "learn to live with it" when asking them about my pain, so it really struck a chord with me. That is why I asked you those questions before.
If you like, please read my other posts regarding pain questions (some are in response to others' statements) and my "soapbox statement" called Pain Crisis in America for information. People who are addicted and take meds for which they have no medical need or so they can get that "special feeling" are addicts. People who take pain meds because they are in pain are patients. Do you know which one you are? Physical dependence is common in people who require prescription pain relief, but that is NOT the same as ADDICTION. (Lots of doctors don't even understand that issue and assume people are addicted when they are not. It is a real shame for their patients.)
If you want to email me, my address is: pattil007@earthlink.net. I would be glad to help if I can.
God Bless You,
Patti
Bang on
Posted by: afrehley
Posted on: 2003-05-17 13:19:39
I have agonized over my issue with pk's for some time. I've had a couple of nasty back fusions and am in chronic pain. I also have a history of addiction as well, let me be up front with that. Only you know in your heart why you take these pills, and that alone can really rip on you.
It's well documented that those who take these substances for kick have a totally different experience getting off them as opposed to those who take them for a valid reason.I really feel for those in this damned if you do ,damned if you don't situation. I know that without pain relief I suffer incredibly, so I take them. But in the back of my mind I'm always wondering and second guessing myself. I blessed to have a very experienced pain Dr. WHO SEES,
KNOWS AND CARES WHAT I'VE BEEN THROUGH. I find that no matter what I sometimes struggle trying to find the balance. You know the saying ' 2 is good 4 is better'. Lately I just take what I need, I'm not seeking drugs outside of what I'm perscribed and I'm not showing up at the drugstore right at opening time to get my 'fix'.I agree that the difference between addiction and dependence is like apples and oranges. Good luck to all. By the way I'm a male but I can relate to alot of what I'm reading. I'm not sure how his posting business works, so I don't know where this posting will end up.
Posted by: afrehley
Posted on: 2003-05-17 13:19:39
I have agonized over my issue with pk's for some time. I've had a couple of nasty back fusions and am in chronic pain. I also have a history of addiction as well, let me be up front with that. Only you know in your heart why you take these pills, and that alone can really rip on you.
It's well documented that those who take these substances for kick have a totally different experience getting off them as opposed to those who take them for a valid reason.I really feel for those in this damned if you do ,damned if you don't situation. I know that without pain relief I suffer incredibly, so I take them. But in the back of my mind I'm always wondering and second guessing myself. I blessed to have a very experienced pain Dr. WHO SEES,
KNOWS AND CARES WHAT I'VE BEEN THROUGH. I find that no matter what I sometimes struggle trying to find the balance. You know the saying ' 2 is good 4 is better'. Lately I just take what I need, I'm not seeking drugs outside of what I'm perscribed and I'm not showing up at the drugstore right at opening time to get my 'fix'.I agree that the difference between addiction and dependence is like apples and oranges. Good luck to all. By the way I'm a male but I can relate to alot of what I'm reading. I'm not sure how his posting business works, so I don't know where this posting will end up.
To: Afrehley Bang On
Posted by: pattiramey
Posted on: 2003-05-17 14:42:24
You are truly blessed to have an obviously well-educated pain management doctor who knows the difference between apples and oranges. Many do not. You don't happen to live in GA, do you? I have to find a new physician, so I just thought I would ask.
God Bless You and Good luck to you as well because a little luck goes a long way,
Patti
PS By the way, did you know your name is spelled the same as a member of one of my All-time favorite bands, KISS? Your first name wouldn't be Ace, would it? Just checking. If you are Ace, how about emailing me just so I'll know (pattil007@earthlink.net).
Whoever you are, take care!
Patti
Posted by: pattiramey
Posted on: 2003-05-17 14:42:24
You are truly blessed to have an obviously well-educated pain management doctor who knows the difference between apples and oranges. Many do not. You don't happen to live in GA, do you? I have to find a new physician, so I just thought I would ask.
God Bless You and Good luck to you as well because a little luck goes a long way,
Patti
PS By the way, did you know your name is spelled the same as a member of one of my All-time favorite bands, KISS? Your first name wouldn't be Ace, would it? Just checking. If you are Ace, how about emailing me just so I'll know (pattil007@earthlink.net).
Whoever you are, take care!
Patti
email sent
Posted by: afrehley
Posted on: 2003-05-17 17:06:12
Patti: I sent you a email but I sent it through MSN
hotmail. I usually use outlook so I'm wondering if you'll receive it. I guess what I'm really trying to say is I havn't got this email stuff down pat yet. If you havn't received it let me know and I'll send it through my normal provider. I hope this makes some sense.I just started using a computer not so long ago so bear with me.
II'MMM aallittlee sslloowww....
Posted by: afrehley
Posted on: 2003-05-17 17:06:12
Patti: I sent you a email but I sent it through MSN
hotmail. I usually use outlook so I'm wondering if you'll receive it. I guess what I'm really trying to say is I havn't got this email stuff down pat yet. If you havn't received it let me know and I'll send it through my normal provider. I hope this makes some sense.I just started using a computer not so long ago so bear with me.
II'MMM aallittlee sslloowww....
To Ace
Posted by: pattiramey
Posted on: 2003-05-19 00:02:17
Got it. Did you get my reply? Hope so. Sorry it wasn't longer but a storm had suddenly blown up and it was lightning pretty bad.
I kept your address in my book (at least I think I did-I don't think you ever learn exactly how computers operate) so if that is not the one you use all the time, just send me one thru your regular provider and I will have it as well.
God Bless and remember God gave rock-n-roll to everyone!
Patti
Posted by: pattiramey
Posted on: 2003-05-19 00:02:17
Got it. Did you get my reply? Hope so. Sorry it wasn't longer but a storm had suddenly blown up and it was lightning pretty bad.
I kept your address in my book (at least I think I did-I don't think you ever learn exactly how computers operate) so if that is not the one you use all the time, just send me one thru your regular provider and I will have it as well.
God Bless and remember God gave rock-n-roll to everyone!
Patti
Is it real pain?
Posted by: jfpresto
Posted on: 2003-05-16 15:16:21
I am a little confused about your reply. You said that you are trying to live with the daily pain. Is this a chronic pain thing? Because if it is, then taking pain pills to alleviate the pain does not mean that you are addicted to them- you just need them to function on a daily basis. Is this the case with you? If so, then maybe you DO need these pills. But, of course, getting them illegally is not the way to go. If you are truly in pain, you need to see a Pain Management Doctor to help you deal with your pain in the most effective way possible. But first, YOU need to get real with why you are still thinking about and had been seeking pain pills. There are many, many people who NEED to take medication for chronic pain on a daily basis. If you fall into this category, then you need to rethink what you are doing to yourself. Is this as clear as mud yet?? I hope I made my point clear. If not, I will be glad to try to explain myself again!
Posted by: jfpresto
Posted on: 2003-05-16 15:16:21
I am a little confused about your reply. You said that you are trying to live with the daily pain. Is this a chronic pain thing? Because if it is, then taking pain pills to alleviate the pain does not mean that you are addicted to them- you just need them to function on a daily basis. Is this the case with you? If so, then maybe you DO need these pills. But, of course, getting them illegally is not the way to go. If you are truly in pain, you need to see a Pain Management Doctor to help you deal with your pain in the most effective way possible. But first, YOU need to get real with why you are still thinking about and had been seeking pain pills. There are many, many people who NEED to take medication for chronic pain on a daily basis. If you fall into this category, then you need to rethink what you are doing to yourself. Is this as clear as mud yet?? I hope I made my point clear. If not, I will be glad to try to explain myself again!
Have you heard of Methadone?
Posted by: nurse1974
Posted on: 2003-08-13 15:17:38
Have you or do you know anyone who has tried a Methadone Clinic to kick the opiate habit? I am a nurse in a Methadone Clinic. I know it works I have seen people come off of pain medication, save their marraige, enroll in college, and maintain full time employment. Methadone is completely SAFE, and your treatment is overseen by a Medical Doctor. The Methadone takes the "physical cravings" away. Of course, you have to do your part, for example, have negative drug screens, attend group therapy, and met with your counsler regular. Please consider this treatment.
Posted by: nurse1974
Posted on: 2003-08-13 15:17:38
Have you or do you know anyone who has tried a Methadone Clinic to kick the opiate habit? I am a nurse in a Methadone Clinic. I know it works I have seen people come off of pain medication, save their marraige, enroll in college, and maintain full time employment. Methadone is completely SAFE, and your treatment is overseen by a Medical Doctor. The Methadone takes the "physical cravings" away. Of course, you have to do your part, for example, have negative drug screens, attend group therapy, and met with your counsler regular. Please consider this treatment.
GIVE ME YOUR ADVICE
Posted by: granny0003
Posted on: 2003-08-28 15:48:12
HELLO, I WAS READING YOUR MESSAGE TODAY AND, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT WITHDRAW SYMPTONS DID YOU HAVE WHILE GETTING OFF THE PAIN PILLS. I AM ADDICTED TO PAIN PILLS AND I WANT TO GET OFF OF THEM VERY BAD. I NEVER KNEW THEY WOULD CONTROL MY LIFE THE WAY THEY DO. THE MONEY I HAVE SPENT GETTING THEM IS CRAZY, I COULD HAVE PURCHASED A HOUSE WITH THE MONEY. PLEASE RESPOND BECOUSE I REALLY WANT TO GET OFF OF THEM.
Posted by: granny0003
Posted on: 2003-08-28 15:48:12
HELLO, I WAS READING YOUR MESSAGE TODAY AND, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT WITHDRAW SYMPTONS DID YOU HAVE WHILE GETTING OFF THE PAIN PILLS. I AM ADDICTED TO PAIN PILLS AND I WANT TO GET OFF OF THEM VERY BAD. I NEVER KNEW THEY WOULD CONTROL MY LIFE THE WAY THEY DO. THE MONEY I HAVE SPENT GETTING THEM IS CRAZY, I COULD HAVE PURCHASED A HOUSE WITH THE MONEY. PLEASE RESPOND BECOUSE I REALLY WANT TO GET OFF OF THEM.
ADDICTION
Posted by: gwen06
Posted on: 2005-06-16 13:05:57
HI, JUST WANTED TO RESPOND to you-I too have a addiction-it in the beginning was crack--then pain pills..it would be anything that would ease my pain--and I dont mean physical pain-I mean internal pain..pain within me that canty not be explained or would not go away..I too after getting in trouble with the legal system had to go clean..and let me tell you the difference it has made in my life....i went thru a treatment program-and learned everything there is to know about addiction--i work a progam now--i go to 3 aa meatings a week...and they do work!...it helps me to feel more comfortable within my own skin...just wanted you to know that there is a answer...it is your higher power..and the rooms of AA-OR NA which ever you prefer..good luck
gwen s
Posted by: gwen06
Posted on: 2005-06-16 13:05:57
HI, JUST WANTED TO RESPOND to you-I too have a addiction-it in the beginning was crack--then pain pills..it would be anything that would ease my pain--and I dont mean physical pain-I mean internal pain..pain within me that canty not be explained or would not go away..I too after getting in trouble with the legal system had to go clean..and let me tell you the difference it has made in my life....i went thru a treatment program-and learned everything there is to know about addiction--i work a progam now--i go to 3 aa meatings a week...and they do work!...it helps me to feel more comfortable within my own skin...just wanted you to know that there is a answer...it is your higher power..and the rooms of AA-OR NA which ever you prefer..good luck
gwen s
Addiction issue
Posted by: mom5150
Posted on: 2003-05-13 17:42:45
I'm so happy that Dr. Phil brought this issue out in the open. I am angry, hurt and grieving over the death of my 63 yr. old mother. It's only been 7 weeks and the feeling is raw. Mother's Day was the worst. My mother was addicted to many pain killers...too many to count. Her dr. authorized it...and refused to talk to us or answering our questions. My mother died of a ruptured ulcer...no doubt from the 18 daily doses of Vicodin she loved more than life itself. She will miss her grandchildren's graduations, weddings and great grandchildren. She hurt us all...and there was NOTHING I could do to help her. I wish she was the one sitting on Phil's stage. If you have an issue w/ pain killers...make yourself STOP NOW!!
Posted by: mom5150
Posted on: 2003-05-13 17:42:45
I'm so happy that Dr. Phil brought this issue out in the open. I am angry, hurt and grieving over the death of my 63 yr. old mother. It's only been 7 weeks and the feeling is raw. Mother's Day was the worst. My mother was addicted to many pain killers...too many to count. Her dr. authorized it...and refused to talk to us or answering our questions. My mother died of a ruptured ulcer...no doubt from the 18 daily doses of Vicodin she loved more than life itself. She will miss her grandchildren's graduations, weddings and great grandchildren. She hurt us all...and there was NOTHING I could do to help her. I wish she was the one sitting on Phil's stage. If you have an issue w/ pain killers...make yourself STOP NOW!!
