12/09 The Dark Side of Teens

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    Bullies
    Posted by: trillie
    Posted on: 2003-12-09 09:23:25


    I used to be bullied at school too. I know how he feels. The only difference was that I was abused at home as well. It was tough not having any safe haven at all. I often thought it would have been better if I wasn't around anymore. I just wanted freedom from the pain.

    It is now 10 years later, and I'm glad that I held on. I have a good life with a wonderful big bear of a husband who loves me with all his heart and a beautiful baby boy. God has blessed me so much.

    Kids going through bullying not only have to get help, but they need to remember that those things will pass if they hold on, and that they will become stronger because of going through what they go through.

    Bullies need to realize what kind of damage they put people through and deal with their own problems in more constructive ways.
      Parents Who Don't Listen
      Posted by: ajspeaks
      Posted on: 2003-12-09 16:50:36


      Trillie.. it's good to hear you have a great life. Dr. Phil should discuss what to do when the bullies are in the suicidal youth's home too.
      Recently a youth told me that he nearly attempted suicide. He was driving down a dark road with a gun in the vehicle. Thanksfully he turned around and went back home.
      At home he got a sledgehammer and smashed the gun. He told his father who did very little. Worse the father bought another gun. The youth was upset by this.
      How can a trusted adult help ? I won't leave it in the hands of parents who do nothing. They are abusive and negligent.
        Thanks AJ!
        Posted by: trillie
        Posted on: 2003-12-10 01:10:32


        Thanks AJ for the reply!

        I wonder if maybe children services can help your friend especially if the parents are negligent. He might not want outside help, but his life is more important than anything else. They can get a child "free" counceling and services, and if need be they can remove him from an abusive environment. Hope this helps.

        ~Trills~
      Bullies
      Posted by: vp1234
      Posted on: 2003-12-09 19:18:53


      I believe there should be a no tolerance rule in the schools for bullying. When a student or parents of a child that is getting bullied goes to the school and reports bullying of their child it should immediately try to resolve this problem. And if there is no resolution to this problem the parents should take their child out of the school and the school should have to pay for the tuition of or relocation of this child at another school. I have seen this happen to too many children and it needs to stop. This is only one possible idea, of course it needs a some revision,but we need to help resolve this issue for our youths. Anyone else have more ideas?
        Caring
        Posted by: renos7
        Posted on: 2003-12-09 20:14:30


        I don't believe the school needs to bear the financial burden as they are all stretched already. However, they should have a required class or seminar regarding tolerance and what is and is not acceptable behavior in society. This should involve parents as well. Schools should run this seminar as a requirement and the students should have to sign a "non-bullying" statement. Any infraction of this should carry a penalty, from detention to being expelled from sports teams or other student organization. The problem is not with the school, per se, it's with the awareness of the students. All schools are in a good position to involve the parents and spread awareness.
          Does a teaching license give the right to abuse?
          Posted by: redbadge
          Posted on: 2003-12-09 22:36:39


          My children attend a school in which the teachers instigate the bullying. I have begged them to stop, had my attorney intervene, wrote letters, had meetings and all with no positive outcome for my children or other students. The teachers keep demanding that they must be in control and (in their words) feel they must influence children to pressure other children to maintain discipline for them. The teachers have called students names, made fun of them, degraded them and punished them for no reason..... all in their words "to maintain control". I don't have the option to open enroll or other forms of schooling for my children. In my opinion these teachers are guilty of child abuse and need to be arrested. Schools need to have continuous training on how to communicate with children of all ages. The warning signs of kids with suicidal or violent thoughts are right there in front of their eyes. Ask the kids who have considered such thoughts how many times any teacher has reached out to them. I'm sure the findings would be saddening.
            Outrageous!
            Posted by: desertgyrl
            Posted on: 2003-12-11 14:06:30


            Why not contact the local newspaper or TV station to intervene? Blow those stupid teachers out of the water! How DARE they do this!
            Red... Same thing happens all too Often !
            Posted by: dreamer_
            Posted on: 2003-12-12 10:46:50


            I was also the Bullied & the Butt of Jokes by many in my school years. All to often seeing some Teachers harrassing the same few kids, even the name calling that labeled and marked others for years to come. 2 people, I included, were not the Big or Strong person in the Gym class, so the Gym teacher often harrassed us by name calling and was often seen/heard joking with the Jocks in class to degrade us even more. What do you think life was like for us ? Of course, all this continued even as we went to other classes or outside of class. Many of these Bullies later picking fights & beating who they knew they could easily whip their asses. Going to the office to complain or report this would change NOTHING ! Do you think when the school would punish these Jocks when they had any sports to play.... Hell No !
            It was always the same BullShit.

            If others say/think that Teens taking their lives is wrong ?...... Then, I guess they never lived in these people`s shoes to really know how it feels. Many times now, as we`ve seen in the past years, If this Harrassment & Bullying doesn`t stop at the beginning, If these troubled people don`t kill themselves first....They may Blow up & It may just create another Columbine!
            Then people will ask Whyyyyyy ?

            Think about that carefully now !
              I Can Relate!
              Posted by: deb_n_ms
              Posted on: 2003-12-17 16:51:12


              I agree with you! And, I might add that I never had help from teachers or the school. This was the 70s & 80s and psychotherapy and teaching the teachers how to handle diversity wasn't done--at least not here. I needed counseling THEN! Those teachers needed education! Those kids needed their butts whipped by their PARENTS and those PARENTS needed educating on how to raise their children not to tease or bully.

              When teachers decide to become teachers, there has to be some education on the reality that being a teacher is not just teaching. You have to be aware of handicaps and how to handle them, how to deal with differences, with disorders with mental health and be compassionate for goodness sakes! I had few compassionate teachers in my 12 years. I really felt alone through it all. I always felt so helpless.
            Wake up we have a serious problem
            Posted by: melnick1
            Posted on: 2004-02-02 19:38:02


            My children go to a small school and they see this happening every day to kids. They both (girls) have intervened on several occassions and commented to teachers about their behavoir. I think we have reached a point where parents don't have the time or patience to raise their kids and are relieved when they are sent to school. The teachers often seem to feel that even for them to fit in they need to either condone this behavoir or instigate it. They see and teach that success is only measured by the status or size of the bank account and not what kind of person we are to be. Just think about how many times we are hear the phrases dog eat dog, or corporate sharks. We teach them early the one who can have the most victims and largest bank accounts are the ones who are the most successful! How sad our society has become. I guess our children are truly paying the price for progress. Columbine was it really that surprising?
        Bullies
        Posted by: lindabeals
        Posted on: 2003-12-10 06:04:53


        I totally agree that the schools are not doing enough. I raised a young man whose mother had died when he was 2. I was his legal guardian. He was literally tortured by kids in school. He didn't tell me all that was happening to him for a very long time. The kids on the bus would sit behind him and wrap things around his neck, a wire at one time. They met him every morning to take what money he had. I so wish that I had done more. I was working at the time and I did talk to the school many times, but they always made it sound like maybe it was his fault. Dustin had no self esteem and walked with his head and shoulders down, making him a target for every bully around. I was relieved when he just quit going to school. I think we all need to do something, even us older people who don't have kids in school anymore. It does need to stop.
          Possible Solution
          Posted by: desertgyrl
          Posted on: 2003-12-11 14:12:56


          While watching this show, it came to me that the school system should work with adults/parents who can be IN the hallways during class changes to stop the bullying that goes on during that time. Also have voluteer adults that hang around at lunchtime to stop this nonsense. The more we intervene, the less likely there is to be bullying in school. I'd be a willing participant in this.
          Quitting School Not The Answer
          Posted by: deb_n_ms
          Posted on: 2003-12-17 16:58:16


          Your story made me feel sick at how horribly that young man was treated. I can relate though. Quitting school isn't an answer. It might be an immediate stopping of the bullying but it's not fair and not right for the victim. It doesn't teach a healthy life lesson either: "If you can't take the heat get out of the kitchen" or "If things get tough, quit."

          The answer is in making schools, parents, and adults and society in general take responsibility for stopping the behavior.
          Parents either encourage bullying by not teaching their chidren NOT to do it and NOT teach their children compassion and empathy, or by the parents doing that same behavior themselves. Society doesn't take teasing seriously: "Kids will be kids" or "Everyone gets teased sometime in school--that's part of growing up." That is a permissive attitude and only gives the behavior legitimacy.
        Yes, Yes!
        Posted by: kathykatho
        Posted on: 2003-12-10 12:02:20


        To start from the beginning:

        What contributes?

        1. School environments-Bully.

        2. Family life style- Role model.

        3. Biological changes inside the body.

        1. School environments: We live in this society that compose of all walks of life but we live peacefully. WHY? because we have police, we have law, we have Courts.
        School, it is a mini society, but there is nothing! Is this fair? No. but did it happened? because children can't talk!
        SOLUTION: Each school campus must have a GUARD. that children can report to.
        MAKE IT WORK: Talk to school and Department of Education.

        2. Family life style: I looked at the victoms's mothers, they all very isolate, withdraw, and physically weak.
        SOLUTION: The earth itself is just sun, air dirt and water, but what we have now! It is all up to you.
        MAKE IT WORK: Do more activities, travel, experiences in all directions. And put Nutrition on top concern.

        3. Biological Change in the Body: We have to find out what are the signs.
        SOLUTION: We have to be more knowledgeable.
        MAKE IT WORK: Professional helps, groups disscussions.

        Dr. Phil you need to reopen the case.
        I do believe in your degree and professional experiences, but don't make it just a sugar coating.
        bullies
        Posted by: debbjj
        Posted on: 2003-12-10 16:20:41


        I agree there should be no tolerance for bullying in schools. However, the kids that are being bullied should not have to pay the price of losing the few friendships that they do have at school. The bullies should have to pay the conscequence of losing their friends by going to a different school and the parents of these kids should have to cover the costs of a new school and any counselling the bullied kid(s) may need. Maybe then, the bullies parents will open their eyes and realize their kids are not the sweet little angels they may be at home.
        Bullies
        Posted by: tina1953
        Posted on: 2003-12-13 08:35:38


        i think the school department should pay for private counseling if the student is bullied and then transfers to another school. why should the family pay for counseling when it is the school that allowed the bullying to continue. i watched the show where the teenager from Iowa was bullied. he seemed like a great kid and i don't understand why he was picked on in the first place. the loneliness and isolation he feels will damage him for the rest of his life! that school department should be sued!
          MM hmm
          Posted by: lillian_v
          Posted on: 2003-12-14 08:16:55


          Because in my experience, teachers are there to earn little money and don't give a rats behind about bullying, they are too lazy to get involved because some teenage kids especially in groups can be utterly disgusting and they do not want to bother with them. I reported bullying many a time and was sent to the school counsellor but nothing was done. They have this useless waste of time, peer group thingy where everyone is supposed to discuss it with teachers and students and tell why the kids are picking on you. I know why, because they are a holes.... come on do you think they really care? NO They do it because they can as Dr Phil says.
      Just watched the show..
      Posted by: marysa07
      Posted on: 2003-12-09 19:18:57


      and it was very heart warming and true to me. I never was the popular girl, screw popularity, I had no friends at all. Well that was back in Grade School. I am now in 10th grade and I am doing well with friends and I never get bullied. I remember getting made fun of and bullied back in Junior High. And it was from the girls who think they're better than everyone, and the ones who think they could beat up anyone. One of them became a close friend to me and we are drited apart now, we talk sometimes though, and she has apologized for everything she did. Although the other girl, well I don't want anything to do with her. There is a girl at my school who gets made fun of all the time for the way she looks. There's a lot of people who don't understand her personal life. I have made the effort to become her friend just because I understand what it means to have a friend. I don't know if she is suicidal or not, but I could definetly see her as the type who is. And after seeing this show, I am going to try even harder to become a better friend to her, and keep her strong. Especially since her parents treat her just awfully, too. Dr. Phil should definetly do another one of these shows later on.
        just on the show
        Posted by: 05annabell
        Posted on: 2003-12-09 22:17:04


        hey marysa07 I'm annie off the show. (I was the one who talked with Nick) I'm glad that you care about the girl thats not very popular. You will never be sorry for that. Thats very cool of you.
          I'm another Annie
          Posted by: anne7145
          Posted on: 2003-12-10 02:34:34


          I was particularly touched by today's show b/c my name is Annie and I share a LOT of similarities with the Annie who appeared on the show including the list of high school activities and I live in Iowa. However, my chance to reach out came a little later. At the end of my junior year, a classmate, friend, and fellow student leader committed suicide. It was totally unexpected, but in retrospect, there were some clues. Without going into the story, I was put in a particularly strange situation b/c of this terrible event and it made me want to improve the options available to students in my high school. Sometimes kids who would otherwise just want to be a "popular" kid decide to be part of a different group when they're not accepted, particularly in a smaller school. On occasion these groups may be the most familial group they can find and this is often also a group that provide or affirms more negative options to deal with their sadness. This will certainly complicate the logic of the person if they find this transition of friend groups troubling. I know now that if I had been the one to understand this change, I would have several resources to make aware of the potential of a suicide. If you have any inclination of this possibility, please mention it to the person in your school that can do something about it.

          You are not responsible for the actions that your classmates might take, but you can be a friend to them right now. Thank you Annie for being there for othe