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Posted by: pinky1mil
Posted on: 2003-12-12 09:47:29
I can't even bare to look at the picture with the knife in the poor childs mouth. Is this father CRAZY!. I am so mad. Where are social sevices????, they need to protect this child NOW!.
Posted by: pinky1mil
Posted on: 2003-12-12 09:47:29
I can't even bare to look at the picture with the knife in the poor childs mouth. Is this father CRAZY!. I am so mad. Where are social sevices????, they need to protect this child NOW!.
GET TONY AWAY FROM HIS CHILD - NOW !!
Posted by: ccemrey
Posted on: 2003-12-12 10:32:50
I, too, am appalled. I don't doubt that he loves his son, but Tony, even after talking with Dr. Phil, is CLUELESS! I think his wife should be advised to not allow the father to return to the home. Starting RIGHT NOW. He needs to immediately seek counseling, only see his son in a supervised environment, and only allowed to return to the home once it is completely evident that he gets it, and has changed.
Posted by: ccemrey
Posted on: 2003-12-12 10:32:50
I, too, am appalled. I don't doubt that he loves his son, but Tony, even after talking with Dr. Phil, is CLUELESS! I think his wife should be advised to not allow the father to return to the home. Starting RIGHT NOW. He needs to immediately seek counseling, only see his son in a supervised environment, and only allowed to return to the home once it is completely evident that he gets it, and has changed.
I agree!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: docvls1007
Posted on: 2003-12-12 10:57:51
This father needs to be educated until he gets it,if he ever does. Th little boy needs to be removed from the home until this happens, or the father moves out until the problem is resolved.
Posted by: docvls1007
Posted on: 2003-12-12 10:57:51
This father needs to be educated until he gets it,if he ever does. Th little boy needs to be removed from the home until this happens, or the father moves out until the problem is resolved.
MOM, DON'T TAKE THAT CHILD HOME WITH TONY!!!
Posted by: filmsforme
Posted on: 2003-12-12 15:34:18
What you have in Tony is a 10 year old mind in the body of an adult; an adult who gets to decide what is safe/not safe for his 4-year-old little boy. Tony doesn't know how to love his son, or he would not put him in such danger. And, MOM, please, do not go home with Tony, keep him away from your son, before this show ends! It is your responsibility to keep your son safe, even if it requires keeping his father away from him. Love your child enough to save him!!
Posted by: filmsforme
Posted on: 2003-12-12 15:34:18
What you have in Tony is a 10 year old mind in the body of an adult; an adult who gets to decide what is safe/not safe for his 4-year-old little boy. Tony doesn't know how to love his son, or he would not put him in such danger. And, MOM, please, do not go home with Tony, keep him away from your son, before this show ends! It is your responsibility to keep your son safe, even if it requires keeping his father away from him. Love your child enough to save him!!
no clue
Posted by: stevo2
Posted on: 2003-12-13 22:48:05
I don't think it's a question of Tony not loving his Son. I believe it's just that He has the macho mantality. Boys don't cry, be a Man. That sort of thinking. I once dated a guy like that and he tried to teach my 6 year old son to shot a gun. I put a stop to it right away. His comment to me was He needed to know how to shot a gun to be a man. (because he was being raised only by me) That's just how he thinks. He is now married and his 7 year old son has his own gun? I think Dr. Phil was right Tony Doesn't realize the cognitive thinking of a small child.
Posted by: stevo2
Posted on: 2003-12-13 22:48:05
I don't think it's a question of Tony not loving his Son. I believe it's just that He has the macho mantality. Boys don't cry, be a Man. That sort of thinking. I once dated a guy like that and he tried to teach my 6 year old son to shot a gun. I put a stop to it right away. His comment to me was He needed to know how to shot a gun to be a man. (because he was being raised only by me) That's just how he thinks. He is now married and his 7 year old son has his own gun? I think Dr. Phil was right Tony Doesn't realize the cognitive thinking of a small child.
Macho has nothing to do with it
Posted by: bevbeck
Posted on: 2003-12-15 12:08:29
I don't think it's really about boys being boys. I think it's really that Tony is still a boy. He is not thinking logically...maybe he still needs some cognitive development. I agree with everyone who says he doesn't need to return home with the boy. Social services really must get involved and Tony needs some extensive counseling and parenting before he should be allowed to be left alone with Zander. Supervised visitation is what's needed until he gets his act together. The life of an innocent 4 year old is at stake. If the mom doesn't do anything to rectify the situation now, she will be just as responsible as Tony because of her negligence. If she knows her son is in danger and she does nothing to prevent it she's just as guilty.
Call Social Services Dr. Phil...don't let this continue another moment.
Posted by: bevbeck
Posted on: 2003-12-15 12:08:29
I don't think it's really about boys being boys. I think it's really that Tony is still a boy. He is not thinking logically...maybe he still needs some cognitive development. I agree with everyone who says he doesn't need to return home with the boy. Social services really must get involved and Tony needs some extensive counseling and parenting before he should be allowed to be left alone with Zander. Supervised visitation is what's needed until he gets his act together. The life of an innocent 4 year old is at stake. If the mom doesn't do anything to rectify the situation now, she will be just as responsible as Tony because of her negligence. If she knows her son is in danger and she does nothing to prevent it she's just as guilty.
Call Social Services Dr. Phil...don't let this continue another moment.
Did Anyone Hear it?
Posted by: ljcambria
Posted on: 2003-12-12 16:02:23
Christina kept saying "my son" not "our son" my question is... is Tony the natural father? His behaviour seems almost hateful of Christina. I'm truly concerned about this relationship and do not buy Tony's macho justifications. This is truly dangerous!
Posted by: ljcambria
Posted on: 2003-12-12 16:02:23
Christina kept saying "my son" not "our son" my question is... is Tony the natural father? His behaviour seems almost hateful of Christina. I'm truly concerned about this relationship and do not buy Tony's macho justifications. This is truly dangerous!
I've said in several
Posted by: capri03
Posted on: 2003-12-12 17:21:30
posts here today.....that there is more going on than meets the eye.
And I also wonder whether it is their son or her son.......yet again I also thought maybe that she is fed up and for a long time has called the child her son.....as she feels she is the only one looking out for Zander's well being.
Posted by: capri03
Posted on: 2003-12-12 17:21:30
posts here today.....that there is more going on than meets the eye.
And I also wonder whether it is their son or her son.......yet again I also thought maybe that she is fed up and for a long time has called the child her son.....as she feels she is the only one looking out for Zander's well being.
"My Son" comment
Posted by: erin64
Posted on: 2003-12-13 03:35:30
I noticed too that Christina was referring to her child as "my son". If something does happen to the boy there will be plenty of evidence of negligence by the father. She could divorce him and get custody of the boy.
Posted by: erin64
Posted on: 2003-12-13 03:35:30
I noticed too that Christina was referring to her child as "my son". If something does happen to the boy there will be plenty of evidence of negligence by the father. She could divorce him and get custody of the boy.
My Son But.....
Posted by: lotuslane
Posted on: 2003-12-13 15:02:42
I think your comment about her divorcing and getting full custody leaves out the fact that even with full custody the man can see his child and even get unsupervised time IF he even FOOLS any person helping him to change. I worked with children in an institution where certain goals had to be met, I saw time and again either the child learn to "model the program" and/or parent(s). There has to be a want to and I think this guy doesn't want to but very well could FOOL.
Posted by: lotuslane
Posted on: 2003-12-13 15:02:42
I think your comment about her divorcing and getting full custody leaves out the fact that even with full custody the man can see his child and even get unsupervised time IF he even FOOLS any person helping him to change. I worked with children in an institution where certain goals had to be met, I saw time and again either the child learn to "model the program" and/or parent(s). There has to be a want to and I think this guy doesn't want to but very well could FOOL.
reply to ljcambria
Posted by: soulpyre
Posted on: 2003-12-13 16:54:52
Tony is the step- father that's why she keeps saying my son. To me, this would be a big deal if i married a man who has his own ideas on how to raise my son. I think she should step in and stop this before it's too late. His way of thinking is based on the way he was raised in Greece. Men must do theese things to be men. That's his mentality, he won't change. it's like asking a racist to not be racist.
Posted by: soulpyre
Posted on: 2003-12-13 16:54:52
Tony is the step- father that's why she keeps saying my son. To me, this would be a big deal if i married a man who has his own ideas on how to raise my son. I think she should step in and stop this before it's too late. His way of thinking is based on the way he was raised in Greece. Men must do theese things to be men. That's his mentality, he won't change. it's like asking a racist to not be racist.
yes I did!!
Posted by: stevo2
Posted on: 2003-12-13 22:52:41
I also thought and heard the same thing. If he isn't the natural father i would like to hear what he would say? or even what christina's family feels about it.
Posted by: stevo2
Posted on: 2003-12-13 22:52:41
I also thought and heard the same thing. If he isn't the natural father i would like to hear what he would say? or even what christina's family feels about it.
He's a control freak
Posted by: gingerpear
Posted on: 2003-12-13 23:54:52
I think you hit the nail on the head. I don't believe Tony is the natural father. And I was so appalled by his behavior, but more to the point, I was appalled that Dr. Phil was fairly easy on him. He exhibits classic passive aggressive behavior toward his wife. He uses this to show her that he is in control and she is powerless to do anything about it. Dr. Phil pointed out that Tony knows nothing about the cognitive abilities of a 4 year old. What about the motor skills of a 4 year old? They are spastic and do not have the control to handle weapons and dangerous items. How many times have you seen a 4 year old dash away from his mother in a store? What if he does that at the edge of the precipice Tony lets him jump from and Tony is not ready to catch him? She needs to get herself and her son away from that crazy man.
Posted by: gingerpear
Posted on: 2003-12-13 23:54:52
I think you hit the nail on the head. I don't believe Tony is the natural father. And I was so appalled by his behavior, but more to the point, I was appalled that Dr. Phil was fairly easy on him. He exhibits classic passive aggressive behavior toward his wife. He uses this to show her that he is in control and she is powerless to do anything about it. Dr. Phil pointed out that Tony knows nothing about the cognitive abilities of a 4 year old. What about the motor skills of a 4 year old? They are spastic and do not have the control to handle weapons and dangerous items. How many times have you seen a 4 year old dash away from his mother in a store? What if he does that at the edge of the precipice Tony lets him jump from and Tony is not ready to catch him? She needs to get herself and her son away from that crazy man.
I agree!
Posted by: mniemi
Posted on: 2003-12-13 15:58:25
I'm not so sure he does love his son. In fact, I suspect he may be a step-father. I doubt that he would change, even with counseling. I think he would try to tempt the child to come to harm in devious ways.
Posted by: mniemi
Posted on: 2003-12-13 15:58:25
I'm not so sure he does love his son. In fact, I suspect he may be a step-father. I doubt that he would change, even with counseling. I think he would try to tempt the child to come to harm in devious ways.
Posted by: odinski
Posted on: 2003-12-19 14:53:51
It was unclear to me if Tony was the biological father of that little boy. I seriously worry that he may either have a version of the disease where a parent keeps their kid sick for the attention it brings the parent. Is he craving the attention a dare-devil son brings him rather than doing something exciting himself?
I also wondered if he had a desire for the little boy to seriously harm himself. When a kid learns to walk, ride a bike, stand on a chair - it is 100% predictable that he/she will get hurt in the process of learning. But the harm will usually be minimal. It is 100% predictable that this little boy will get hurt in the process of climbing, playing with knives and guns. But it won't be a scratched knee. I can't help but wonder if Tony thinks he has found the perfect crime.
If Tony is merely an idiot, he is a mean one. He is has shown zero respect and concern for his wife. He is teaching her son to totally disregard the authority and judgment of his mother. I wonder if Tony gets off on the suffering, dismay and frustration of his wife, by endangering her precious beloved son. Is he jealous? Cruel?
Lastly, what is that boy's mother thinking! Keeping peace in that home has too high a price to pay. And there is no peace in her home. She needs to protect that boy at all costs. If that means leaving with her son or kicking out her husband who is either ignorant or devious - then so be it. She needs to protect that boy and demand respect. A
YES!! HE IS CRAZY!
Posted by: airezstar
Posted on: 2003-12-12 13:07:25
I agree completely, what is wrong with that father! No one man or woman in their right mind would let a child use a knife like that or anything else!! You ask where are Social Services? Where is the MOTHER? She needs to be doing something about this!!! This is her child too and she needs to step up and do something before this child is seriously hurt!!!
Posted by: airezstar
Posted on: 2003-12-12 13:07:25
I agree completely, what is wrong with that father! No one man or woman in their right mind would let a child use a knife like that or anything else!! You ask where are Social Services? Where is the MOTHER? She needs to be doing something about this!!! This is her child too and she needs to step up and do something before this child is seriously hurt!!!
Crazy is tooooo kind of a word for Tony!!
Posted by: iamsocdn
Posted on: 2003-12-12 17:11:44
I have to agree...my husband and I couldn't figure out how the mother has allowed this to go on THIS long!?!?!?! We were left speechless for most of the segment! The fact that it was brought out on the show that the child had 'swung a chain at the camera...which was ATTACHED to the camera man' screams volumes! Some serious decisions need to be made...and it has to start with the mother! Like..GET OUT NOW!
Posted by: iamsocdn
Posted on: 2003-12-12 17:11:44
I have to agree...my husband and I couldn't figure out how the mother has allowed this to go on THIS long!?!?!?! We were left speechless for most of the segment! The fact that it was brought out on the show that the child had 'swung a chain at the camera...which was ATTACHED to the camera man' screams volumes! Some serious decisions need to be made...and it has to start with the mother! Like..GET OUT NOW!
Yes, Lunatic is a better word
Posted by: strangegrc
Posted on: 2003-12-12 20:53:11
Good GAWD! We can only HOPE social services arrives at Christina and Tony's home after seeing today's horrifying broadcast. What's next - shaking hands with a grizzly bear on their next camping trip?! Nothing Dr. Phil said seemed to get through to Tony. In my opinion, only the death of this child will make him rethink his position. I'm a little surprised Dr. Phil didn't hand the home tapes back to Christina and tell her to RUN, don't walk, to social services with them, have that maniac removed from the home, and NEVER let him see that child without professional supervision again. Someone has to be the responsible parent, and if she doesn't take action now, she will never get past the guilt if something horrible happens to that child. I hope to god she reads some of these postings...
Posted by: strangegrc
Posted on: 2003-12-12 20:53:11
Good GAWD! We can only HOPE social services arrives at Christina and Tony's home after seeing today's horrifying broadcast. What's next - shaking hands with a grizzly bear on their next camping trip?! Nothing Dr. Phil said seemed to get through to Tony. In my opinion, only the death of this child will make him rethink his position. I'm a little surprised Dr. Phil didn't hand the home tapes back to Christina and tell her to RUN, don't walk, to social services with them, have that maniac removed from the home, and NEVER let him see that child without professional supervision again. Someone has to be the responsible parent, and if she doesn't take action now, she will never get past the guilt if something horrible happens to that child. I hope to god she reads some of these postings...
YES!! HE IS CRAZY!
Posted by: tina1953
Posted on: 2003-12-15 15:19:17
the way he put that huge knife into Zander's mouth was frightening. even an adult shouldn't put a gigantic knife in their mouth to eat a piece of fruit off of it! Dr. Phil i hope you are reading these boards! call CPS now!
Posted by: tina1953
Posted on: 2003-12-15 15:19:17
the way he put that huge knife into Zander's mouth was frightening. even an adult shouldn't put a gigantic knife in their mouth to eat a piece of fruit off of it! Dr. Phil i hope you are reading these boards! call CPS now!
Lunatic
Posted by: raynwbows
Posted on: 2003-12-12 17:50:11
LUNATIC!
I covered my eyes for most of clips ....I can't believe it. She needs to take that baby....yes That Baby!!! away from him. Something is going to happen and then she'll be crying oh! I should have left him, now my son's hurt or worst....too late then. Social Services are you watching this?
I have a son whose three and never in my life would I ever stand by and watch that ....NOTE: children are more important then psycho boyfriends or husbands!!!!!
Posted by: raynwbows
Posted on: 2003-12-12 17:50:11
LUNATIC!
I covered my eyes for most of clips ....I can't believe it. She needs to take that baby....yes That Baby!!! away from him. Something is going to happen and then she'll be crying oh! I should have left him, now my son's hurt or worst....too late then. Social Services are you watching this?
I have a son whose three and never in my life would I ever stand by and watch that ....NOTE: children are more important then psycho boyfriends or husbands!!!!!
