03/10 Annoying Habits
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Posted by: scout_mom
Posted on: 2003-03-10 09:54:39
My great grandmother was always late. They use to tell her "Grace, you'll be late for your own funeral!" Well the hearse broke down and she was late!!!
Good show... I think I will go clean out some junk I've been saving.... *smile*
Posted by: scout_mom
Posted on: 2003-03-10 09:54:39
My great grandmother was always late. They use to tell her "Grace, you'll be late for your own funeral!" Well the hearse broke down and she was late!!!
Good show... I think I will go clean out some junk I've been saving.... *smile*
ADD Alert
Posted by: anneke12
Posted on: 2003-03-10 11:21:16
People who procrastinate, are always late, can`t finish anything are not being "rewarded" by this behavior in anyway. They are SUFFERING from Attention Deficit Disorder. It adds greatly to an already very low self esteem to be criticized. Annemarie.
Posted by: anneke12
Posted on: 2003-03-10 11:21:16
People who procrastinate, are always late, can`t finish anything are not being "rewarded" by this behavior in anyway. They are SUFFERING from Attention Deficit Disorder. It adds greatly to an already very low self esteem to be criticized. Annemarie.
I agree
Posted by: lgoodliffe
Posted on: 2003-03-10 14:43:40
Short of an actual diagnosis (I think it's overly diagnosed right now, which can cause more problems than it solves), I couldn't agree more. I have ADHD, and the stress of getting places as close to ontime as I can and filling out paperwork has taken years off my life. People say to me, "why don't you JUST .......fill in the blank". I lose track of time constantly, so it's just the way my brain is wired. There's no "JUST" in this issue for me. I've resolved to do the best I can and to stop beating myself up everytime I'm late. That's all I can do, short of taking a drug that gives me migraines and that doesn't even help me much with being ontime. Ritalin just helps me read faster and calms me down. None of the other drugs work, so that's not an option either - I've tried them all.
Posted by: lgoodliffe
Posted on: 2003-03-10 14:43:40
Short of an actual diagnosis (I think it's overly diagnosed right now, which can cause more problems than it solves), I couldn't agree more. I have ADHD, and the stress of getting places as close to ontime as I can and filling out paperwork has taken years off my life. People say to me, "why don't you JUST .......fill in the blank". I lose track of time constantly, so it's just the way my brain is wired. There's no "JUST" in this issue for me. I've resolved to do the best I can and to stop beating myself up everytime I'm late. That's all I can do, short of taking a drug that gives me migraines and that doesn't even help me much with being ontime. Ritalin just helps me read faster and calms me down. None of the other drugs work, so that's not an option either - I've tried them all.
Sorry! Must agree with Dr. Phil!
Posted by: chefmomste
Posted on: 2003-03-10 16:49:02
While I think you may be right that some folks who act this way do suffer from other problems, it was obvious from the discussion that this lady only procrastinates when it came to her family. She was able to get to work on time and complete work-related tasks to the extent that her co-workers didn't even believe that she had the problem! From what I understand of ADHD, she wouldn't be able to pick and choose situations where she would or would not be affected. Obviously this lady was making choices about her behavior and she herself admitted that having real consequences would help change those choices. This is NOT someone with ADHD. This is someone who appears to be a warm and lovely person, who just needs to take herself in hand!
Posted by: chefmomste
Posted on: 2003-03-10 16:49:02
While I think you may be right that some folks who act this way do suffer from other problems, it was obvious from the discussion that this lady only procrastinates when it came to her family. She was able to get to work on time and complete work-related tasks to the extent that her co-workers didn't even believe that she had the problem! From what I understand of ADHD, she wouldn't be able to pick and choose situations where she would or would not be affected. Obviously this lady was making choices about her behavior and she herself admitted that having real consequences would help change those choices. This is NOT someone with ADHD. This is someone who appears to be a warm and lovely person, who just needs to take herself in hand!
Sorry, but you are incorrect
Posted by: merrietoo
Posted on: 2003-03-10 18:27:55
In fact, it is characteristic of ADD that people CAN manage very well at work but not at home - ESPECIALLY women with ADD. At work there are consequences and there is a much more structured environment. Home has no such structure. People misdiagnose ADD precisely because it is not consistent and they say exactly what you did 'if the person can do it in X situation, why not always'. It doesn't work like that.
Posted by: merrietoo
Posted on: 2003-03-10 18:27:55
In fact, it is characteristic of ADD that people CAN manage very well at work but not at home - ESPECIALLY women with ADD. At work there are consequences and there is a much more structured environment. Home has no such structure. People misdiagnose ADD precisely because it is not consistent and they say exactly what you did 'if the person can do it in X situation, why not always'. It doesn't work like that.
Hmmm...
Posted by: lgoodliffe
Posted on: 2003-03-10 19:03:54
I think both of you have good points. I think that this situation could go either way, but I do agree that in a structured environment we do MUCH better. I think a good specialist would know best, but I tend to agree with you and my original statement....however, I could be wrong.
Also, people with ADHD respond much more dramatically than others to rewards (not getting fired) and structure. So, she could very well have ADD. She ought to see a specialist and her husband ought to cut her some slack. I'm sure she doesn't really want to be late all the time, none of us do - on any level (concious or subconcious - sp?). I WISH my boyfriend would tell me to be ready earlier than I have to be. He used to, but he doesn't anymore. Not only do I never take offense to that, but I welcome it. It helps me, and I like being on time when that happens.
Posted by: lgoodliffe
Posted on: 2003-03-10 19:03:54
I think both of you have good points. I think that this situation could go either way, but I do agree that in a structured environment we do MUCH better. I think a good specialist would know best, but I tend to agree with you and my original statement....however, I could be wrong.
Also, people with ADHD respond much more dramatically than others to rewards (not getting fired) and structure. So, she could very well have ADD. She ought to see a specialist and her husband ought to cut her some slack. I'm sure she doesn't really want to be late all the time, none of us do - on any level (concious or subconcious - sp?). I WISH my boyfriend would tell me to be ready earlier than I have to be. He used to, but he doesn't anymore. Not only do I never take offense to that, but I welcome it. It helps me, and I like being on time when that happens.
mrssnag
Posted by: mrssnag
Posted on: 2003-03-10 16:50:13
I am a major procrastinater!!! but I havent always been as bad as I am now as I get older I think it has gotten alot worse.I do agree that I am ADD although I have never been diagnosed.I do have self esteem problems also. But I am NOT always late for appointments, I am usually early.I can and do finish things eventually.Took me a year to finish painting my livingroom and after a year I only have my bathroom halfway stripped of the horrid wallpaper that is on it.( I hope to have that finished bye summer).I also have a hard time concentrateing which also goes along with ADD.Its not easy living as a procrastinater, But its is my life (and I dont mean that in a rude way) and I have lived it ok thus far. procrastinaters arent bad people come on now!!
Posted by: mrssnag
Posted on: 2003-03-10 16:50:13
I am a major procrastinater!!! but I havent always been as bad as I am now as I get older I think it has gotten alot worse.I do agree that I am ADD although I have never been diagnosed.I do have self esteem problems also. But I am NOT always late for appointments, I am usually early.I can and do finish things eventually.Took me a year to finish painting my livingroom and after a year I only have my bathroom halfway stripped of the horrid wallpaper that is on it.( I hope to have that finished bye summer).I also have a hard time concentrateing which also goes along with ADD.Its not easy living as a procrastinater, But its is my life (and I dont mean that in a rude way) and I have lived it ok thus far. procrastinaters arent bad people come on now!!
ADD ALERT
Posted by: mrssnag
Posted on: 2003-03-10 16:51:29
I am a major procrastinater!!! but I havent always been as bad as I am now as I get older I think it has gotten alot worse.I do agree that I am ADD although I have never been diagnosed.I do have self esteem problems also. But I am NOT always late for appointments, I am usually early.I can and do finish things eventually.Took me a year to finish painting my livingroom and after a year I only have my bathroom halfway stripped of the horrid wallpaper that is on it.( I hope to have that finished bye summer).I also have a hard time concentrateing which also goes along with ADD.Its not easy living as a procrastinater, But its is my life (and I dont mean that in a rude way) and I have lived it ok thus far. procrastinaters arent bad people come on now!!
Posted by: mrssnag
Posted on: 2003-03-10 16:51:29
I am a major procrastinater!!! but I havent always been as bad as I am now as I get older I think it has gotten alot worse.I do agree that I am ADD although I have never been diagnosed.I do have self esteem problems also. But I am NOT always late for appointments, I am usually early.I can and do finish things eventually.Took me a year to finish painting my livingroom and after a year I only have my bathroom halfway stripped of the horrid wallpaper that is on it.( I hope to have that finished bye summer).I also have a hard time concentrateing which also goes along with ADD.Its not easy living as a procrastinater, But its is my life (and I dont mean that in a rude way) and I have lived it ok thus far. procrastinaters arent bad people come on now!!
On Line ADD Test/Discovering ADD changed my life!
Posted by: shawn_
Posted on: 2003-03-11 01:25:21
Hi All... when I saw the show, the first thing I thought was ADD! I am a 29 year old male and have just been diagnosed in the past few months. It's amazing... my life has done a complete 180. It took losing the person I cared about more than anything to finally figure out what was wrong.
I was diagnosed with a fairly severe case, given medication, learned different techniques of dealing... it's literally like I've been walking around in a haze for the past 29 years of my life. Now, the fog is gone! No more compulsive spending, no more talking without thinking... the piles are cleaned up...
Nrssnag... and others, if you even THINK you might have it start by taking this test... it's the first thing I found on the internet when I was frantically, desparately searching to find what the hell was wrong with me. It's an online self eval... it will, perhaps, give you more insight and understanding of ADD and help you decide if you should go to a professional. The link is to the Amen (AH-mun) clinic... from what I understand, he's a leader in research and treatment of ADD.
The link: http://www.amenclinic.com/ac/addtests/
Discovering ADD has made such a difference to me... the one thing that I struggled with when I first realized that I might have ADD was finding someone that I could talk to... if you need to chat or want to ask questions, feel free to drop me a note, we'll chat. shawn_add@yahoo.com.
Posted by: shawn_
Posted on: 2003-03-11 01:25:21
Hi All... when I saw the show, the first thing I thought was ADD! I am a 29 year old male and have just been diagnosed in the past few months. It's amazing... my life has done a complete 180. It took losing the person I cared about more than anything to finally figure out what was wrong.
I was diagnosed with a fairly severe case, given medication, learned different techniques of dealing... it's literally like I've been walking around in a haze for the past 29 years of my life. Now, the fog is gone! No more compulsive spending, no more talking without thinking... the piles are cleaned up...
Nrssnag... and others, if you even THINK you might have it start by taking this test... it's the first thing I found on the internet when I was frantically, desparately searching to find what the hell was wrong with me. It's an online self eval... it will, perhaps, give you more insight and understanding of ADD and help you decide if you should go to a professional. The link is to the Amen (AH-mun) clinic... from what I understand, he's a leader in research and treatment of ADD.
The link: http://www.amenclinic.com/ac/addtests/
Discovering ADD has made such a difference to me... the one thing that I struggled with when I first realized that I might have ADD was finding someone that I could talk to... if you need to chat or want to ask questions, feel free to drop me a note, we'll chat. shawn_add@yahoo.com.
I took this ADHD test...
Posted by: goldiegal5
Posted on: 2003-03-12 07:12:46
My results were "Highly Probable" that I am an ADHD adult. It makes sense. All my life I've had problems related to ADHD symptoms. Only when I was a child, no one knew what it was. I'm 43, female, wife/mother. When in school, I was always told I didnt "apply myself". I got poor grades, couldnt sit still, talked alot in class, and stayed in trouble for it. Now, I'm the mother of a 17 yr old boy, who also has ADHD. He is so much like me, in character. And he's going thru all the same challenges and difficulties that I did, and more. Its doesnt mean we are stupid, or that we dont pay attention, or listen when being spoken to, or that we are rude. It means we cant control our tendencies to interupt someone else talking, it means we forget things, it means we will be late to our own funerals. We are still good people, with good hearts.
Posted by: goldiegal5
Posted on: 2003-03-12 07:12:46
My results were "Highly Probable" that I am an ADHD adult. It makes sense. All my life I've had problems related to ADHD symptoms. Only when I was a child, no one knew what it was. I'm 43, female, wife/mother. When in school, I was always told I didnt "apply myself". I got poor grades, couldnt sit still, talked alot in class, and stayed in trouble for it. Now, I'm the mother of a 17 yr old boy, who also has ADHD. He is so much like me, in character. And he's going thru all the same challenges and difficulties that I did, and more. Its doesnt mean we are stupid, or that we dont pay attention, or listen when being spoken to, or that we are rude. It means we cant control our tendencies to interupt someone else talking, it means we forget things, it means we will be late to our own funerals. We are still good people, with good hearts.
AWESOME!
Posted by: shawn_
Posted on: 2003-03-13 18:27:36
Isn't it a great feeling to know that there's an explanation for all of the "stuff" that goes on? Go see someone! The person I see actually HAS it... it's so much easier when the person you see can relate though experience.
I'm so happy for you! I know how much of a relief it is to figure out what's going on.
Posted by: shawn_
Posted on: 2003-03-13 18:27:36
Isn't it a great feeling to know that there's an explanation for all of the "stuff" that goes on? Go see someone! The person I see actually HAS it... it's so much easier when the person you see can relate though experience.
I'm so happy for you! I know how much of a relief it is to figure out what's going on.
agree with you
Posted by: missymacaw
Posted on: 2003-03-10 20:34:13
I was so upset about what Dr.Phil said about procrastinator that I wrote him an email. I do not consider myself arrogant, self centered, etc. just because I procrastinate. Frankly I usually say I will do it tomarrow but tomarrow rarely comes. I have 5 precriptions for a mamogram on my refregriator. I keep putting off making the appointments and tell my husband I just forgot. Now I had cancer 6 years ago, so this test is important but I keep procrasting about calling for an appointment. I don't consider myself arrogant for it as I just forgot.
Secondly my dog had a large tumor removed and the vet said he has 4 to 20 weeks to live. My husband wants him to see the vet again because it has been 6 weeks. I keep forgetting to call for an appointment. First of all I think what is the point but my husband wants to know exactly how long.
Now I really don't think I am self center bacause I am procrasting making the vet call. Come on Dr. Phil just because people procrastinate they are not always doing it out of rudeness. Maybe people just forget or don't quit get around to it.
We have lived in our new home for 18 months and I keep putting off totally unpacking. Just have not got around to it all. But I am not arrorgant because of that.
Posted by: missymacaw
Posted on: 2003-03-10 20:34:13
I was so upset about what Dr.Phil said about procrastinator that I wrote him an email. I do not consider myself arrogant, self centered, etc. just because I procrastinate. Frankly I usually say I will do it tomarrow but tomarrow rarely comes. I have 5 precriptions for a mamogram on my refregriator. I keep putting off making the appointments and tell my husband I just forgot. Now I had cancer 6 years ago, so this test is important but I keep procrasting about calling for an appointment. I don't consider myself arrogant for it as I just forgot.
Secondly my dog had a large tumor removed and the vet said he has 4 to 20 weeks to live. My husband wants him to see the vet again because it has been 6 weeks. I keep forgetting to call for an appointment. First of all I think what is the point but my husband wants to know exactly how long.
Now I really don't think I am self center bacause I am procrasting making the vet call. Come on Dr. Phil just because people procrastinate they are not always doing it out of rudeness. Maybe people just forget or don't quit get around to it.
We have lived in our new home for 18 months and I keep putting off totally unpacking. Just have not got around to it all. But I am not arrorgant because of that.
Posted by: glwharton
Posted on: 2003-03-12 03:34:36
Do you say this from a professional point of view ? If so then should we procrastinators take something for it ?
Annoying Habits
Posted by: haugabrook
Posted on: 2003-03-10 11:58:23
Hey Dr. Phil,
My hats off to Robin and your habits getters.
Great Show and the women with the husband with the mess keep us posted. She will have to leave and he do not seem to care about her
or her feelings. And he talked about not being about to breath in the new location. How can she breath with such junk. See you
tomorrow. Loyal Dayton, Ohio Viewer
Posted by: haugabrook
Posted on: 2003-03-10 11:58:23
Hey Dr. Phil,
My hats off to Robin and your habits getters.
Great Show and the women with the husband with the mess keep us posted. She will have to leave and he do not seem to care about her
or her feelings. And he talked about not being about to breath in the new location. How can she breath with such junk. See you
tomorrow. Loyal Dayton, Ohio Viewer
procrastination
Posted by: taxmam
Posted on: 2003-03-10 12:29:10
I am a procrastinator and I was hit by Dr. Phil's statement about everybody having to wait on the person to do their job and it is a power issue. I think that is part of why I procrastinate, but there are other reasons mixed in too. Sometimes I put off doing things because they seem so overwhelming that I don't even want to start. Sometimes I want things done the best way and I put them off until I figure out what that way is. I am a bit of a perfectionist which doesn't help. But the part about it being arrogent to make people wait on you is probably right. I've been paying attention to my daughter's behavior because she always puts everything off too and I've decided that she doesn't think that the rules apply to her. I think I'm the same. I expect everybody else to do things in a timely manner, but if I put off the same thing, I expect them to understand why, and usually I expect them to feel sorry for me because "life is so rough" that I just couldn't get to whatever it is that I'm supposed to do. I guess I'll have to do some thinking on that one! Dr. Phil - could you do a whole show on procrastination? I know there are a lot of us out there!
Posted by: taxmam
Posted on: 2003-03-10 12:29:10
I am a procrastinator and I was hit by Dr. Phil's statement about everybody having to wait on the person to do their job and it is a power issue. I think that is part of why I procrastinate, but there are other reasons mixed in too. Sometimes I put off doing things because they seem so overwhelming that I don't even want to start. Sometimes I want things done the best way and I put them off until I figure out what that way is. I am a bit of a perfectionist which doesn't help. But the part about it being arrogent to make people wait on you is probably right. I've been paying attention to my daughter's behavior because she always puts everything off too and I've decided that she doesn't think that the rules apply to her. I think I'm the same. I expect everybody else to do things in a timely manner, but if I put off the same thing, I expect them to understand why, and usually I expect them to feel sorry for me because "life is so rough" that I just couldn't get to whatever it is that I'm supposed to do. I guess I'll have to do some thinking on that one! Dr. Phil - could you do a whole show on procrastination? I know there are a lot of us out there!
Dan is like the lady on ROSEANN
Posted by: jackietay
Posted on: 2003-03-10 12:44:48
Dan, you sound a lot like me. I seem compeled to always voice my opinion and most of the time nobody wants to hear it but I do it anyway. I have let my mouth over-run my butt and have gotten it stomped many times by a "redneck" or "trailer trash" who says very little and just knocked the @!$$ out of me. Short skinny women are known to cat fight over the stupidist remark that wasn't even directed at them! I am always running my mouth so people know what is on my mind--then some silent SOB suckers punches me before I even know what hit me. You would think that I would learn and shut up but I just keep on voicing my thoughts. I get especially irratated with people who have body oder and are covered in cat/dog hair and have nasty crud under their fingernails and bad teeth. I detest having to take orders (on a job) or have them serve (like in a restraunt)me. After the host/hostess at a fancy resteraunt seats me, sometimes something that looks as nasty as what the cats drag in ends up waiting on me and I hate it. Medical care especially--I figure if they can't tend to their own personal hygiene then I don't want to rely on them to take care of my medical needs. ULGH! At least Dan is not 2-faced--you always know where you stand with him. I admire that in a person.
Posted by: jackietay
Posted on: 2003-03-10 12:44:48
Dan, you sound a lot like me. I seem compeled to always voice my opinion and most of the time nobody wants to hear it but I do it anyway. I have let my mouth over-run my butt and have gotten it stomped many times by a "redneck" or "trailer trash" who says very little and just knocked the @!$$ out of me. Short skinny women are known to cat fight over the stupidist remark that wasn't even directed at them! I am always running my mouth so people know what is on my mind--then some silent SOB suckers punches me before I even know what hit me. You would think that I would learn and shut up but I just keep on voicing my thoughts. I get especially irratated with people who have body oder and are covered in cat/dog hair and have nasty crud under their fingernails and bad teeth. I detest having to take orders (on a job) or have them serve (like in a restraunt)me. After the host/hostess at a fancy resteraunt seats me, sometimes something that looks as nasty as what the cats drag in ends up waiting on me and I hate it. Medical care especially--I figure if they can't tend to their own personal hygiene then I don't want to rely on them to take care of my medical needs. ULGH! At least Dan is not 2-faced--you always know where you stand with him. I admire that in a person.
jackie
Posted by: forestsng
Posted on: 2003-03-10 14:08:04
I've been following your posts, and I think your posts are always forth-right and straight-up. There is alot of character in that; refusing to bend to what is politically correct. You suffer fools poorly - it helps to keep things real. I admire that in a person.
Posted by: forestsng
Posted on: 2003-03-10 14:08:04
I've been following your posts, and I think your posts are always forth-right and straight-up. There is alot of character in that; refusing to bend to what is politically correct. You suffer fools poorly - it helps to keep things real. I admire that in a person.
Dan's Opinions
Posted by: basavoie
Posted on: 2003-03-10 21:07:33
A long time ago, I was told that 'my rights end where your nose begins' and that saying applies to Dan as well as to my own husband. He too says that he's not prejudiced--he hates everyone equally, amongst other comments. Oh well, gotta love 'em, dontcha?
Posted by: basavoie
Posted on: 2003-03-10 21:07:33
A long time ago, I was told that 'my rights end where your nose begins' and that saying applies to Dan as well as to my own husband. He too says that he's not prejudiced--he hates everyone equally, amongst other comments. Oh well, gotta love 'em, dontcha?
Up with Dan!!!
Posted by: pszychojoe
Posted on: 2003-03-11 15:07:12
Dan seems a lot like me, too. And I like Me! What happened to Dr. Phil's little saying at the beginning of the show "...if you're going to be here you have to tell the truth.." Dan surely did that more than some of the I gotta please the Dr., or seem politically correct guests that have appeared on the show. I admit that sometimes its best to just shut-up. But in a car with your wife, can't you be open? I believe that the next wave of patients to psychiatrists and counselors will be those so tired of being politcally correct that they can no longer even understand what they truly believe.
Posted by: pszychojoe
Posted on: 2003-03-11 15:07:12
Dan seems a lot like me, too. And I like Me! What happened to Dr. Phil's little saying at the beginning of the show "...if you're going to be here you have to tell the truth.." Dan surely did that more than some of the I gotta please the Dr., or seem politically correct guests that have appeared on the show. I admit that sometimes its best to just shut-up. But in a car with your wife, can't you be open? I believe that the next wave of patients to psychiatrists and counselors will be those so tired of being politcally correct that they can no longer even understand what they truly believe.
It's Stress Relief!!
Posted by: snowmenrco
Posted on: 2003-03-12 13:41:39
As I watched that show I thought, dearly, of my husband, who's much the same. He opens his mouth and 'stuff' flies out! He warned me about it when we were first dating, which didn't stop me from getting upset when a friend said: "So introduce me to your girlfriend." And he replied: "That's not my girlfriend!" His defense is: "Sometimes I'm SO cute ... but this ain't one-a-dem times, huh?"
I've learned to accept him the way he is, just the same as I expect him to accept me as I am. I'd much rather have him venting in this manner than bottling it all up and having a stroke/heart attack someday! Those that take the time to get to know him love him as he is, and that's most everyone he meets. He laughs alot as he delivers this 'out-of-mouth-ahead-of-brain' "stuff" and that softens the blow to most.
I think Dan's doing a fine job of being himself ~ he only needs to change if he feels the need to, based on feedback from his friends and family.
When my hubby comments in response to idiot drivers: "THAT's the reason they should mount machine guns on the hood of our cars!" I KNOW he's venting; not really wanting a machine gun control on his steering wheel. I say let 'em vent. Much better than having him turn to the bottle or the casino to relieve stress!!
Posted by: snowmenrco
Posted on: 2003-03-12 13:41:39
As I watched that show I thought, dearly, of my husband, who's much the same. He opens his mouth and 'stuff' flies out! He warned me about it when we were first dating, which didn't stop me from getting upset when a friend said: "So introduce me to your girlfriend." And he replied: "That's not my girlfriend!" His defense is: "Sometimes I'm SO cute ... but this ain't one-a-dem times, huh?"
I've learned to accept him the way he is, just the same as I expect him to accept me as I am. I'd much rather have him venting in this manner than bottling it all up and having a stroke/heart attack someday! Those that take the time to get to know him love him as he is, and that's most everyone he meets. He laughs alot as he delivers this 'out-of-mouth-ahead-of-brain' "stuff" and that softens the blow to most.
I think Dan's doing a fine job of being himself ~ he only needs to change if he feels the need to, based on feedback from his friends and family.
When my hubby comments in response to idiot drivers: "THAT's the reason they should mount machine guns on the hood of our cars!" I KNOW he's venting; not really wanting a machine gun control on his steering wheel. I say let 'em vent. Much better than having him turn to the bottle or the casino to relieve stress!!
