11/28 You Either Get It or You Don't

1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9
    I can relate
    Posted by: stellar_1
    Posted on: 2003-11-28 11:30:09


    I can totally relate to the wife whose husband was unmotivated and uncommitted. I have been married for nineteen years and my husband has a similar problem that extends from his professional life into our personal life. He has held numerous jobs and always complains that he doesn't like it or it's not what he wants to do. He has never committed himself to any career they are all just jobs to him. He fancies himself to be an independent businessman. He has attempted numerous ventures and has never stuck with any of them. He has even tried to make me responsible for them! Let's see, Amway twice, modular buildings, home insurance adjustments, telephone company sales and now he wants to use me to get grants because I'm a double minority! No way! He needs to dedicate himself to his family and a career and grow up. It has become the most frustrating thing to live with. His inability to commit to a career also extends into our marriage. He cares only for himself and what he wants. He's incapable of putting our children's best interest first and it has all but detroyed our marriage. I'm going out today to purchase dr phil's life strategies cd in hopes that he'll listen and it will spark something in him.
      What ever happened to Tough Love?
      Posted by: teachermk
      Posted on: 2003-11-29 13:45:34


      Before I read stellar 1's comment I had a lot to say about Robert, but her life with her husband says it all. This is what Robert's wife has to look forward to 19 years from now. Maybe I missed it, but did anyone ever say: Yes, you should follow your passion, yes, you should like the job that you do, but when you are a full grown able bodied man, you simply do not have the luxury to ponder your future at the expense of others who rely on your input.You have to do somethng, like it or not! When a wife does this (take up the slack for her man) she could almost be compared to an enabler (no disrespect to stellar 1)because any person in recovery will tell you that people in their lives who continued to support them, hoping they'd one day "get it", only prolonged their ability to stand on their own two feet.Safety nets are wonderful things as long as they are used to catch you when you fall and not as hammocks.
      Dump the Selfish Lout
      Posted by: anders1ca
      Posted on: 2003-11-30 11:38:36


      Why are you sticking with this individual. He is not a man. He is not a Husband in the true sense of the word, Husband. Even Dr. Laura would not approve of his attitude.
        i could hardly watch that man!!!
        Posted by: dr_meg18
        Posted on: 2003-11-30 16:54:37


        When that guy was sitting there with his wife, saying he thinks that he's unlucky and that he's waiting for the right job to come along???? what is waiting for some magic little man to knock on his door and hand him a job??? Honestly, I couldn't even watch him! He looked like such an emotionless little lump sitting on that chair! My biggest wonder is how his wife could put up with him!! he brought my mood down listening to him whine for like 10 minutes!! she seems like a nice put together women, and he was just a mess. Something that man needs to realize is that YOU CREATE YOUR OWN EXPERIENCE!!!!!! he needs to wake up and stop feeling sorry for himself!!
    Dr.Phil,you weren't hearing his cry for help....
    Posted by: jennyhere
    Posted on: 2003-11-28 12:00:48


    Dr.Phil did not "hear" the gentleman who was still looking for his ideal job.This man knows he has to find something,pay bills & live with a wife who is so put together you feel like you are drowning!..I heard his cry for help..something Dr.Phil didn't! he was asking,how do I go forward,how do I motivate myself,how do I get the fear of failure out of me,I don't understand how to do this! I know because I feel the same way.I did learn something today though,..how to take that first small step,something that man was asking ,no crying for! If Dr. Phil had suggested he accomplish 1 thing no matter how small,in the next few days he would be taking the first steps on the road to success & confidence. An example of finishing one thing could have been,build a bird house. Fear of failure stops one cold,a small success starts the healing. Facing the truth is very hard for some people,but must be done. Somewhere along the way we missed lifes lessons on common sense & wisdom,a learned thing,we are not born with..Dr Phill,a show on this would be a good idea! Jennyhere :-)
      Just Like Robert, But Female
      Posted by: ayg123
      Posted on: 2003-11-28 14:32:04


      I agree with Jennyhere that Robert is crying for help. I am a black female who has the same problem that Robert has. The only difference is that I finished college (in about a six year period) only to discover that I really don't know what I want to do with my degree in Business Administration. It is very frustrating and overwhelming to be in this position. As a matter of fact, I relate to being standoffish, and misunderstood. I am not an incompetent person. I consider myself very intelligent. I attended a well known private college at night, worked during the day, and also raised my son while not really having a strong support system near me.

      When I graduated from college, my co-workers thought that I should move on and get another job, or pursue a career. When that didn't happen, my co-workers made sure I got terminated for no real reason. That has left me feeling very untrusting of people period.I have jumped from job to job since that.

      On November 24, 2003, I lost a job that I really enjoyed and was performing in very well. The small business owner does not have the funds to meet payroll, had to terminate someone, and that someone was me. I cried because I feel that I cannot get out of this crazy cycle of losing jobs that I want to keep. I won't get into the part where all of this chaos leads to depression.I have began to feel that I should not be in an office environment with others and just concentrate on working from home. And yes I feel like a failure.
        No way !!
        Posted by: mikeba
        Posted on: 2003-11-28 18:07:10


        Hey there, I just watched this show and felt like ol Robert was me. Now that I read your post I feel the same as you too. My career went like yours is now about 5 years ago (hence Robert)and just in the last 9 months I have decided to persue my interest in fitness and health and develop a web based business. It takes a lot of research, test marketing, focus groups etc. to come up with a plan that will work. But hey lady, you have a degree in Bus. Admin. that I don't have! You have all of these skills and the job market just lost you! You should start looking into your passion and flow it up with your transferrable skills..it's really that easy. You are certainly not a failure!
        Let's go!!
          5 YEAR CYCLE
          Posted by: lifelaws
          Posted on: 2003-11-30 14:23:23


          Just to let you know, I fell you are definately on the right train.
          You already figured out the 5 year cycle, GOOD FOR YOU. I've been telling people for years it's OK because my five year cycle is comingup.My train is now in the siding, my 5 years is coming to a close, I've divorced my brother commited suicide, and I'm just getting help to know my family these last 5 years.I'm waiting to speak with a SPECIALIST like dr.phil,So what happens to me next I do not know. I also have been ill (physically sick) during all these cycles.
          I have had in my life 7 cycles 5 years each, that I know of.
          Just keep track of your cycles at least every 5 years and you'll notice a change in your cycle, and if your a women, with menstral cycles, or a man that is concern about is partners menstral cycle, This will make sense.
          Read LIFE LAWS LIFE STRATIES,
          Dr. Phil is frustated like me, some just don't get the picture, missed the traing,boat.
          How I coped with my cycles:

          1) All decissions, after looking into all optional available to me or advise to look into, ARE ALL MY DECISIONS I have to live with them,not always listen to someone trying to correct a mistake they made in their life.
          2) Watch your surroundings, AND I MEAN WATCH, people from all walks of life. People all over the world, not just the guy in the next cubical.
          WATCH FOR THE BIG PICTURE !!! It's coming.
          3) Allways look at your choices, and when the next cycle comes around, YOUR READY.
          This will make sence.
        Scared
        Posted by: fallenang7
        Posted on: 2003-11-28 20:54:08


        Robert isn't afraid of commitment, he has too much FEAR!! The saying that an advanced degree will take you futher in life is a big fat LIE! I know people who only possess an AA degree, or a high school degree who makes 3Xs more than I do, and I have a degree from a top University. See, when I was going through school, this is my train of thought: I will graduate and get a decent job, where I get to use my brain, and receive decent pay for my work. Boy am I wrong. After being in my field for 4 years, I just got laid off and got paid less than the administrative assistants at where I use to work. The thought of pursuing a Masters is scary because I know that it's not going to get me anywhere. Employers now-a-days just try to low-ball anyone that's desperate. In this economy, MANY people are desperate. Dr. Phil, you need to share with us how do we go about finding passion in our lives and turn it into work? Teach us how we can get pass our fears. I'm having serious repercussions from receiving a hollow college degree. What I want is very simple: a job where I feel good about what I do, where I feel I contributed in some ways. I want to be paid a decent salary for someone with a bachelors degree. That is all.

          Posted by: psigirl
          Posted on: 2003-11-29 16:43:39


          An advanced Degree has two functions in Robert's case. The first one is that he will be finnishing something that he has started. It's a good feeling, and once he gets a taste of a sense of accomplishment, he might want more, and have the confidence to start something else. The other function is that his possibilities for employment will increase. Just Because it doesn't happen for everybody does not mean that it's a "big fat lie". A degree proves that you can accomplish something. Quitting before you're done a degree makes it look like you can accomplish nothing. That's not the same as a job situation wherein the candidate is a high school grad that has never recieved a degree. The candidate with a degree may be rejected for the same postion for a few reasons. Maybe they look good on paper, but not face to face. Or, maybe layoffs will hit some members of the company and not others, depending on their job in the company, not their education. Ultimately, you haveto use your degree to your advantage, don't expect to ride your diploma through opportunity land and have it speak for you.

          Posted by: jonas19
          Posted on: 2003-11-29 20:46:18


          Dr. Phil said repeatedly, "A degree gets you in the door! It's up to you to prove yourself once you are there."
            what's the deal?
            Posted by: steffeysue
            Posted on: 2003-11-29 23:07:49


            Were you at the airport when your ship came in?

            When opportunity knocked, you didn't answer because you thought it would use the door bell?

            What's the deal? Find a job, work at it with diligence. Quit looking to enter at the top just because you have a degree. The only people who enter at the top right out of college is the CEO's kid. And even some of them have to start at the bottom.

            No one can change your life, but you. Once you are doing something, you can look for something better. Just because you are looking for something better, it doesn't mean you stop doing, or fail to perform what you are doing now!

            It is basic people, don't you get it?
              finally someone who gets it!!
              Posted by: dr_meg18
              Posted on: 2003-11-30 17:00:50


              I was sitting here reading all these messages from people feeling sorry for Robert.

              He put himself in this hole.

              I agree 100% with steffeysue

              Good to see that some people still take responsibility for their actions and can not always put the blame on everyone else
          Lacking Passion
          Posted by: jme415
          Posted on: 2003-11-30 00:04:56


          It's all familiar, look at all the messages we have posted. We all have something in common with Robert and his situation, but we all are in different stages and under different circumstances. As for me, I somewhat feel like fallenang7. I too have a 4 yr degree from a good university and also had the thought, "well good, now that I have graduated and have my degree it should all be downhill from here!" Oh boy was I right! Little did I realize that what I was passionate about coming out of school was not accessible to me. I didn’t have experience; sure I had a degree, but big deal. There were plenty of people out there who had the experience without the degree. So I kept running into the problem of how do you get experience if no one will give you a chance? After running into the same problem over and over my passion for this career path has faded as did my motivation. Sure, I would still like to somehow follow this career path in some form, but just my passion and motivation is not there anymore. I can’t find my passion and I have no idea how to begin to find it. I would like to feel as though I am contributing towards something, be compensated for my hard work and knowledge. But more than anything I just want to be happy, know I have found the passion that will drive me to be successful in all aspects of my life and keep the excitement going forward rather than falling back into this hole of a life that is lacking passion and motivation. But how do I start?
        You can do it! ayg123
        Posted by: joengland
        Posted on: 2003-11-29 13:36:53


        ayg123, I just wanted to take the time, and let you know that people that are successful have learned from failure. It takes failing in something you like to truly be passionate about something in the future, and to learn from your mistakes. I believe that if a person has not failed they are not being honest with themselves. Your first step in finding a new position is to know that you have failed, and you can succeed by overcoming the events of the past.

        Take time to re-evaluate where you want to be, and do not be afraid of failure. Remember everyone has failed, and no one looks down upon you for this failure. This is a time to pick-up and move on. You can succeed! Make a plan, and stick to it! I am not stating that you will not have road blocks, nor that you will not fumble, but you can overcome these obstacle as long as you follow your plan (path)!

        Good Luck!
        believe in yourself
        Posted by: kathleeeen
        Posted on: 2003-11-29 16:24:28


        Dear afq23, I heard you loud and clear. Every office I ever worked in, there were "office gremlins (politics)". Either somebody didn't like someone, gossiped, etc. What does that have to do with all that you have to offer? Perhaps, without you realizing it on Nov 23, the best thing that could have happened to you was what happened the next day. You will probably get a better job, or just maybe you will do something entrepreneurial that otherwise would never happen.

        Eight years ago, I opened a day care center in my home. Within 2 years, I made $60,000 a year. I left my last job because the employees got angry at Christmas because I ate 2 out of 5 cookies delivered in a Christmas fruit basket. That was it for me. The "boss" made a biiiiiig deal about it loud enough for everyone to hear - petty! I didn't choose to be in that situation ever again. Who knows, I may never have even tried that profession had I not gotten fed up with office politics!!! I loved working in my home and never have made so much money.

        Listen to negative self-talk as stated in CD #2 of Dr. Phil's book on CD's on The Weight Loss Solution. I'm such an upbeat person. I would never have believed I had negative self-talk occurring unless I'd started lovingly just listening to how I talk to myself. YOU GO GIRL! I'll be believing in you!! Get some positive affirmations going and reach for the stars. Kathleen
        I hear you
        Posted by: 2002_grad
        Posted on: 2003-11-30 21:49:39


        Like you, ayq123, I worked full-time, did classes on a half to full time basis, and raised a little boy...alone. I didn't have alot of support either. I graduated just shy of highest honors, with a Bachelor's Degree in Business Administration, from a private university in 2002. My beef though, is that I have not been able to find a job in my field, although I have sent out at least 75 resumes and cover letters. Fortunately, I have a full-time job, though, it is a job that doesn't require a degree, nor does it pay that great. The economy stinks right now. I wish you the best of luck and hope we can both put our degrees to good use...someday soon.
      Wasn't he?
      Posted by: morwen2003
      Posted on: 2003-11-30 12:20:20


      Dr. Phil isn't completely blind. I'm sure he heard the man say he didn't know how to motivate himself. The trouble with that idea is that no one understands us better than we understand ourselves, with the sole exception of God. I'm currently studying the book *Life Strategies* that this Life Law was first published in. From my own point of view, that is just an excuse. You are in control of your own life's experience (Life Law #2). In other words, you choose whether or not to do whatever you are doing in your life and the consequences that go with it. Everyone knows the way to find work is to put out a lot of applications. I know it's hard to get excited about getting out and looking for work when the likelihood of being hired has decreased significantly. Filling out applications and handing out resumes is still what works. How do you get motivated about that? Well, you get up in the morning and you decide, "Today, I'm going to find a job." You don't turn to your director and ask, "What's my motivation?", unless you're in the movies.
    Rude teenager
    Posted by: julieljr
    Posted on: 2003-11-28 15:16:10


    I think Dr. Phil went a little to easy on the boy that would not go to school. His whole attitude on the show was disrespectful to his mother and Dr. Phil. I would have layed into him and had a come to Jesus meeting. He is 17 and still a minor...The mother needs to step up and take control. She is still the parent last i saw.
      Life is too easy for Kevin
      Posted by: anders1ca
      Posted on: 2003-11-28 19:21:52


      What else could Dr. Phil do? This kid is too lazy to help himself. His mother has spoiled both her boys! One finally smartened up! Kevin's girlfriend's parents should be discouraged from catering to him. Kevin's mother should kick him out until he will show respect for her and follow the rules of the house.
      By the Way, where is the father in this story?