08/05 A Family Divided: Marty's Confession
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Posted by: reepslady
Posted on: 2004-04-29 07:58:01
I haven't seen the show yet, but what I read on the site has me wondering a couple of things.
Is Dr Phil having this family followed? He seems to know things that they are doing even when they don't know how he could. He mentions proof. Anyone else wonder this?
The other thing I was thinking about was that considering this show is still from the same day as the last two shows on this family have been, while this admission is new, he has not had a chance to do anything in between.
Which leads me to what I know is going to stir up the Marty bashers (sorry to those of you who I really like and are my friends) is that through all three of these episodes, I have felt that these behaviors of Marty's are all bound to happen, because until he faces his past he cannot move forward. I am hugely relieved that it is not an actual affair, (right?). When I thought it was an affair I actually began to say maybe he does have no intention of changing. But I have to say that trust is by far one of the very biggest issues in Marty's life, both past and present, and just maybe he has not yet learned that he can trust Erin with the truth. Honestly I don't think he trusts Erin any more than she trusts him, in a different way. While she doesn't feel she can trust him about anything, he doesn't feel like he can trust her either, not that she will be unfaithful, just that she won't HURT him. He obviously doesn't trust her with his feelings. By her own admission, she can be pretty mean.
Marty will not move forward until he works on his past. His trust issues (and I believe the dishonesty is a part of that) HAVE to be dealt with. But I will also say that if Erin wants Marty to be honest with her, she also has a responsibility to let him feel safe in doing that, and not attacking him.
Posted by: reepslady
Posted on: 2004-04-29 07:58:01
I haven't seen the show yet, but what I read on the site has me wondering a couple of things.
Is Dr Phil having this family followed? He seems to know things that they are doing even when they don't know how he could. He mentions proof. Anyone else wonder this?
The other thing I was thinking about was that considering this show is still from the same day as the last two shows on this family have been, while this admission is new, he has not had a chance to do anything in between.
Which leads me to what I know is going to stir up the Marty bashers (sorry to those of you who I really like and are my friends) is that through all three of these episodes, I have felt that these behaviors of Marty's are all bound to happen, because until he faces his past he cannot move forward. I am hugely relieved that it is not an actual affair, (right?). When I thought it was an affair I actually began to say maybe he does have no intention of changing. But I have to say that trust is by far one of the very biggest issues in Marty's life, both past and present, and just maybe he has not yet learned that he can trust Erin with the truth. Honestly I don't think he trusts Erin any more than she trusts him, in a different way. While she doesn't feel she can trust him about anything, he doesn't feel like he can trust her either, not that she will be unfaithful, just that she won't HURT him. He obviously doesn't trust her with his feelings. By her own admission, she can be pretty mean.
Marty will not move forward until he works on his past. His trust issues (and I believe the dishonesty is a part of that) HAVE to be dealt with. But I will also say that if Erin wants Marty to be honest with her, she also has a responsibility to let him feel safe in doing that, and not attacking him.
The Limb
Posted by: leona21921
Posted on: 2004-04-29 08:39:17
Good Point, Reepslady!!
The issue is as you stated, that Marty did not feel confortable telling Erin about that event. From the preview, I noted Erin's reaction to finding out about the event and how the family reacted as if he had actually had an affair. Erin finds out on the show; makes one wonder how she would have reacted in private. Seems like Marty was trying to avoid the drama.
As to being followed by the Dr. Phil staff, maybe or maybe not. Since Marty and Erin have appeared on tv with millions of viewers watching, if I were to spot Marty with another woman at a gas station and had a camera present, I might be inclined to snap a shot and forward to the Dr. Phil show, just as a F.Y.I. Unfortunately, everytime anyone one of us steps out of our homes, we are subject to someone else's camera (phone or otherwise). While I don't own a phone/camera and I find the surveillance trend disturbing, this is the world we live in.
I'm also looking forward to seeing the show today
Posted by: leona21921
Posted on: 2004-04-29 08:39:17
Good Point, Reepslady!!
The issue is as you stated, that Marty did not feel confortable telling Erin about that event. From the preview, I noted Erin's reaction to finding out about the event and how the family reacted as if he had actually had an affair. Erin finds out on the show; makes one wonder how she would have reacted in private. Seems like Marty was trying to avoid the drama.
As to being followed by the Dr. Phil staff, maybe or maybe not. Since Marty and Erin have appeared on tv with millions of viewers watching, if I were to spot Marty with another woman at a gas station and had a camera present, I might be inclined to snap a shot and forward to the Dr. Phil show, just as a F.Y.I. Unfortunately, everytime anyone one of us steps out of our homes, we are subject to someone else's camera (phone or otherwise). While I don't own a phone/camera and I find the surveillance trend disturbing, this is the world we live in.
I'm also looking forward to seeing the show today
my opinions
Posted by: manitobama
Posted on: 2004-04-29 10:09:59
I thought, by the clips about today's show and the women's reactions, that Marty was probably having an affair and, for sure, that he was going down. But now that the drphil show has enlightened me about 'tv drama production' I won't be so naive.
Even if Marty wasn't being followed around by the drphil crew, or being reported on by the folks in his town, he's still being followed around by the truth. Marty needs to understand this and fear the consequences of playing with fire and not leave himself open to temptation in any way. Well, at least he passed the test, in some ways, in telling the temptress that he was working on his personal and family life. Yes, it would have been better if he had told Erin straight out, though, for his own protection and support, which is the point of this segment of the show.
Posted by: manitobama
Posted on: 2004-04-29 10:09:59
I thought, by the clips about today's show and the women's reactions, that Marty was probably having an affair and, for sure, that he was going down. But now that the drphil show has enlightened me about 'tv drama production' I won't be so naive.
Even if Marty wasn't being followed around by the drphil crew, or being reported on by the folks in his town, he's still being followed around by the truth. Marty needs to understand this and fear the consequences of playing with fire and not leave himself open to temptation in any way. Well, at least he passed the test, in some ways, in telling the temptress that he was working on his personal and family life. Yes, it would have been better if he had told Erin straight out, though, for his own protection and support, which is the point of this segment of the show.
are you sure?
Posted by: philfanpr
Posted on: 2004-04-29 22:03:04
How do you know that Marty did not have an affair? Dr. Phil kept asking him in plural about "placeS you go, thingS you do and lie about." If it had been just a chance meeting at a gas station, I don't think Dr. Phil would cause this pain on the daughters. Probably there is more, but Dr. Phil spared them the pain of learning more details.
Posted by: philfanpr
Posted on: 2004-04-29 22:03:04
How do you know that Marty did not have an affair? Dr. Phil kept asking him in plural about "placeS you go, thingS you do and lie about." If it had been just a chance meeting at a gas station, I don't think Dr. Phil would cause this pain on the daughters. Probably there is more, but Dr. Phil spared them the pain of learning more details.
sorry, but I disagree
Posted by: bktuce
Posted on: 2004-04-29 22:56:26
I don't think that Dr. Phil 'spared' the family over a possible 'affair.' He wouldn't do that. He kept saying that either Marty fess up to Erin, or that Dr. Phil would tell them. That was all there was to it. He just wants Marty to learn to be upfront. I think that Erin played the 'drama queen' on this one. Yes, any mention of a chance encounter with the other woman would hurt. Yes! But get a grip. It was nothing, and he even told the other woman that he was working to keep his family together. I think he did right there. A HUGE point in his favor actually, for a change!! He just was too afraid to tell Erin that he bumped into her. I believe that Erin has manipulated the girls to her side. And she over-reacted and allowed the girls to over-react and to go up on stage like the 3 of them are comrades and their father is on the outside looking in as an enemy. Shame!
Posted by: bktuce
Posted on: 2004-04-29 22:56:26
I don't think that Dr. Phil 'spared' the family over a possible 'affair.' He wouldn't do that. He kept saying that either Marty fess up to Erin, or that Dr. Phil would tell them. That was all there was to it. He just wants Marty to learn to be upfront. I think that Erin played the 'drama queen' on this one. Yes, any mention of a chance encounter with the other woman would hurt. Yes! But get a grip. It was nothing, and he even told the other woman that he was working to keep his family together. I think he did right there. A HUGE point in his favor actually, for a change!! He just was too afraid to tell Erin that he bumped into her. I believe that Erin has manipulated the girls to her side. And she over-reacted and allowed the girls to over-react and to go up on stage like the 3 of them are comrades and their father is on the outside looking in as an enemy. Shame!
absouletly correct
Posted by: sewmania
Posted on: 2004-04-30 23:29:39
I agree that Erin is manipulateing things to her side. Those girls do not need to be part of the intimate details of their parents lives, SOME THINGS HAVE TO BE FOR THE PARENTS ONLY.They are already too involved in decisions that have to be made between a man and women, let alone their parents. These girls seem like spoiled, maipulative little girls, playing grownup. Does Marty ever get to just have a wife, without his own children telling him how he should or should not behave, Isn't that Erin's job only?Don't get me wrong, there is definitely a problem here. But the problem with the marriage is between him and Erin. The problems of a dad should be between him and his kids.I was sick to think that Dr. Phil let those girls talk to him that way. In my opionion it was disrespectful. Tell me they would allow either Marty or Erin to butt in and tell them what to do with their own boyfriends, hence the baby!!!
There is a point when kids need to butt out of parents decisions and personal lives. They still are the parents and should make the family decisions.
Posted by: sewmania
Posted on: 2004-04-30 23:29:39
I agree that Erin is manipulateing things to her side. Those girls do not need to be part of the intimate details of their parents lives, SOME THINGS HAVE TO BE FOR THE PARENTS ONLY.They are already too involved in decisions that have to be made between a man and women, let alone their parents. These girls seem like spoiled, maipulative little girls, playing grownup. Does Marty ever get to just have a wife, without his own children telling him how he should or should not behave, Isn't that Erin's job only?Don't get me wrong, there is definitely a problem here. But the problem with the marriage is between him and Erin. The problems of a dad should be between him and his kids.I was sick to think that Dr. Phil let those girls talk to him that way. In my opionion it was disrespectful. Tell me they would allow either Marty or Erin to butt in and tell them what to do with their own boyfriends, hence the baby!!!
There is a point when kids need to butt out of parents decisions and personal lives. They still are the parents and should make the family decisions.
I agree
Posted by: petchkc
Posted on: 2004-05-01 13:23:56
Katherine should not have told her dad to leave the family! That was disrespectful and not her place. I really felt like the rest of the family was jumping to conclusions fast, before they heard the details. Alex's reaction seemed more geniune, Katherines seemed a little poured on. IMHO. I'm sure she has been hurt by her dad and all that, but I did not totally buy the reaction wasn't just a little over dramatic.
Posted by: petchkc
Posted on: 2004-05-01 13:23:56
Katherine should not have told her dad to leave the family! That was disrespectful and not her place. I really felt like the rest of the family was jumping to conclusions fast, before they heard the details. Alex's reaction seemed more geniune, Katherines seemed a little poured on. IMHO. I'm sure she has been hurt by her dad and all that, but I did not totally buy the reaction wasn't just a little over dramatic.
don't agree
Posted by: fngonzalez
Posted on: 2004-05-01 22:32:20
I truley do not think the reaction was over dramatic or that they was jumping to conclusion to fast. He should have told Erin that day but instead didn't even bother to metion it. Which does seem odd when he is supposed to be trying to fix his marriage and be honest.He knew how they would react.Katherine had every right to say that. In my oppinion he gets whatever comes his way.
Posted by: fngonzalez
Posted on: 2004-05-01 22:32:20
I truley do not think the reaction was over dramatic or that they was jumping to conclusion to fast. He should have told Erin that day but instead didn't even bother to metion it. Which does seem odd when he is supposed to be trying to fix his marriage and be honest.He knew how they would react.Katherine had every right to say that. In my oppinion he gets whatever comes his way.
ENOUGH ALREADY
Posted by: ladydinah
Posted on: 2004-05-09 00:50:49
I'm really becoming rather sympathetic to Marty. Not everybody is totally open emotionally. I think he was blindsided by Dr. Phil, and I think, personally, his "women" are a bit much. His "dishonesty" was not, in my opinion, so terribly dishonest. He probably figured the women's reactions to be exactly as they were--too, too! Get over yourselves, for pete's sake!
Posted by: ladydinah
Posted on: 2004-05-09 00:50:49
I'm really becoming rather sympathetic to Marty. Not everybody is totally open emotionally. I think he was blindsided by Dr. Phil, and I think, personally, his "women" are a bit much. His "dishonesty" was not, in my opinion, so terribly dishonest. He probably figured the women's reactions to be exactly as they were--too, too! Get over yourselves, for pete's sake!
I agree ladydinah
Posted by: lbmorris
Posted on: 2004-06-12 11:32:54
I do not understand why the 3 can bash Marty when they have not been angels!!!!! If I talked to my husband the way she talks to him, he would probably say "don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out". My husband (2nd marriage is wonderful) we talk about everything, we work together on disciplineship as far as our 17 year old ( we have a 22 year old that is married), about curfews, etc., they do not seem to connect as a family that love each other, and yes, we have our spats with each other, and are the bad guys when curfew or other things are broken, but I do not see this happening with this family!!! They seem like whoever's turn it is this week to get bashed, then the next week it is someone else, and you get tired of seeing it over and over, they really need help, just like the other family that fight and bitch and now they are having their 5th or 6th child!
Posted by: lbmorris
Posted on: 2004-06-12 11:32:54
I do not understand why the 3 can bash Marty when they have not been angels!!!!! If I talked to my husband the way she talks to him, he would probably say "don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out". My husband (2nd marriage is wonderful) we talk about everything, we work together on disciplineship as far as our 17 year old ( we have a 22 year old that is married), about curfews, etc., they do not seem to connect as a family that love each other, and yes, we have our spats with each other, and are the bad guys when curfew or other things are broken, but I do not see this happening with this family!!! They seem like whoever's turn it is this week to get bashed, then the next week it is someone else, and you get tired of seeing it over and over, they really need help, just like the other family that fight and bitch and now they are having their 5th or 6th child!
Make that 2 of us!
Posted by: rocketsmom
Posted on: 2004-08-05 16:41:02
I think Erin is a Drama Queen who has taught her daughters to imitate her behavior for the desired affect and that it is okay to disrespect their father, as well as other adults. I cannot imagine any other reaction from any of them than to take a normal conversation and turn it into a hot date in the middle of the gas station parking lot. I think all of them are spoiled brats. If I were Marty I wouldn't tell her anything either, and the daughters should not be involved in any of it. A marriage is a union between a man and a woman, not a man, woman and children. I really don't think Erin ever wanted to work it out, she just wanted the attention, as did the girls. And Alex needs to either observe her fathers house rules, including those about dating, or grow up to the woman she thinks she is and get a job to support her and her child. She should be thankful her parents have given her this much support of a poor decision. Tell her to take a trip to a girls home where pregnant teens are truly doing it on their own and then tell us how bad she has it.
Posted by: rocketsmom
Posted on: 2004-08-05 16:41:02
I think Erin is a Drama Queen who has taught her daughters to imitate her behavior for the desired affect and that it is okay to disrespect their father, as well as other adults. I cannot imagine any other reaction from any of them than to take a normal conversation and turn it into a hot date in the middle of the gas station parking lot. I think all of them are spoiled brats. If I were Marty I wouldn't tell her anything either, and the daughters should not be involved in any of it. A marriage is a union between a man and a woman, not a man, woman and children. I really don't think Erin ever wanted to work it out, she just wanted the attention, as did the girls. And Alex needs to either observe her fathers house rules, including those about dating, or grow up to the woman she thinks she is and get a job to support her and her child. She should be thankful her parents have given her this much support of a poor decision. Tell her to take a trip to a girls home where pregnant teens are truly doing it on their own and then tell us how bad she has it.
I'm on his side
Posted by: ionian
Posted on: 2004-08-05 19:12:40
As I've been watching this Dr. Phil family for quite some time...I've seen some disturbing things. I honestly think Marty isn't nearly as bad as he's made out to be. When I watch the show I see too many PMSing women in his household. They hold him up to the standards of being a woman. The biggest complaints they have about him is that he doesn't express his emotions, he's not always completely upfront, and he's hard to talk to. Boy, if I were the only guy in a family of four and I was always put down, I'd shut up really quick too. I grew up with two brothers, a dad I adore, and now I have my husband. If I've learned anything from this it's that men aren't wired the same way as us women. Marty has even said that before. If they could just be patient with him, try to get to know him, try to be understanding of him...he's the one who always has to compromise. He's a man, he's a dad, and he's human. He's bound to make some mistakes, and he's definitely bound to have manly behaviors. I just think they're being way to hard on the guy. And to tell him he lost his family, he looked devistated. I can tell he's trying, he just doesn't know how to live up to all three women's standards anymore...
Posted by: ionian
Posted on: 2004-08-05 19:12:40
As I've been watching this Dr. Phil family for quite some time...I've seen some disturbing things. I honestly think Marty isn't nearly as bad as he's made out to be. When I watch the show I see too many PMSing women in his household. They hold him up to the standards of being a woman. The biggest complaints they have about him is that he doesn't express his emotions, he's not always completely upfront, and he's hard to talk to. Boy, if I were the only guy in a family of four and I was always put down, I'd shut up really quick too. I grew up with two brothers, a dad I adore, and now I have my husband. If I've learned anything from this it's that men aren't wired the same way as us women. Marty has even said that before. If they could just be patient with him, try to get to know him, try to be understanding of him...he's the one who always has to compromise. He's a man, he's a dad, and he's human. He's bound to make some mistakes, and he's definitely bound to have manly behaviors. I just think they're being way to hard on the guy. And to tell him he lost his family, he looked devistated. I can tell he's trying, he just doesn't know how to live up to all three women's standards anymore...
devistated?
Posted by: jenna829
Posted on: 2004-08-05 19:54:03
I don't see how you can say Marty looked devistated. This man seems to NEVER change his expression no matter what is going on or being said! He consistantly sits there with this blank stupid look on his face.
Posted by: jenna829
Posted on: 2004-08-05 19:54:03
I don't see how you can say Marty looked devistated. This man seems to NEVER change his expression no matter what is going on or being said! He consistantly sits there with this blank stupid look on his face.
hmm...
Posted by: hypnagogic
Posted on: 2004-08-06 08:20:19
I did wonder myself how big a deal it was that Marty had bumped into a woman he had had an affair with, but seeing it from Erin's side, she may have assumed the worst. It may not be a big deal to us, but it must be devastating for her to think that her relationship with her husband was vulnerable. I think the girls were upset that their mom was upset.
I think Marty must have felt really bad and did sympathise with him, but now the worst is hopefully over and it has been like ripping a bandade off, getting it all over with painfully, but quickly, so that they can move on.
Posted by: hypnagogic
Posted on: 2004-08-06 08:20:19
I did wonder myself how big a deal it was that Marty had bumped into a woman he had had an affair with, but seeing it from Erin's side, she may have assumed the worst. It may not be a big deal to us, but it must be devastating for her to think that her relationship with her husband was vulnerable. I think the girls were upset that their mom was upset.
I think Marty must have felt really bad and did sympathise with him, but now the worst is hopefully over and it has been like ripping a bandade off, getting it all over with painfully, but quickly, so that they can move on.
OH, COME ON!!!
Posted by: purselove
Posted on: 2004-08-06 13:26:49
Ok, let's not be so naive here. It's obvious Marty cheated again. When Dr. Phil asked him to confess you could see him thinking. Wondering what Dr. Phil knew. He did NOT just run into that woman. More had to happen, why would he hide that from her? Of course Erin was upset. In her head she KNOWS he cheated again. Come on folks... She's been through this process before with Marty. She knows the way he lies. Mark my words. MARTY HAS CHEATED!!!! You will all soon see. Dr. Phil should hire someone to follow him around. I'm sure he's had many rendez-vous with that woman. In a short time the truth will come out. Stop feeling sorry for this selfish man. He has put Erin through hell. He has destroyed her inside. She needs to move on, he will never change. He's not ready yet. He's more worried about hiding his lies.
Posted by: purselove
Posted on: 2004-08-06 13:26:49
Ok, let's not be so naive here. It's obvious Marty cheated again. When Dr. Phil asked him to confess you could see him thinking. Wondering what Dr. Phil knew. He did NOT just run into that woman. More had to happen, why would he hide that from her? Of course Erin was upset. In her head she KNOWS he cheated again. Come on folks... She's been through this process before with Marty. She knows the way he lies. Mark my words. MARTY HAS CHEATED!!!! You will all soon see. Dr. Phil should hire someone to follow him around. I'm sure he's had many rendez-vous with that woman. In a short time the truth will come out. Stop feeling sorry for this selfish man. He has put Erin through hell. He has destroyed her inside. She needs to move on, he will never change. He's not ready yet. He's more worried about hiding his lies.
No way!
Posted by: emberly911
Posted on: 2004-08-29 08:40:20
Dr. Phil would have busted him wide open if anything more happened. What Dr. Phil didnt know was what was said so he made Marty confess what happened. Honestly I though it was going to be somthing much worse than it was,And if my spouse acted like that when I told them somthing so inocent I might have not told him either. It was a simple bump into someone thing. They acted like they were bumping uglys on the side walk. Dr. Phil is tring to make him be open and honest even if he has to put up with the drama. And we all know most men had rather do about anything than rock the boat when its a touchy subject anyway.
Posted by: emberly911
Posted on: 2004-08-29 08:40:20
Dr. Phil would have busted him wide open if anything more happened. What Dr. Phil didnt know was what was said so he made Marty confess what happened. Honestly I though it was going to be somthing much worse than it was,And if my spouse acted like that when I told them somthing so inocent I might have not told him either. It was a simple bump into someone thing. They acted like they were bumping uglys on the side walk. Dr. Phil is tring to make him be open and honest even if he has to put up with the drama. And we all know most men had rather do about anything than rock the boat when its a touchy subject anyway.
I completely agree with fngonzalez!
Posted by: custom90xl
Posted on: 2004-08-05 16:51:44
I could not agree more with your response. With all the sheets of paper Dr. Phil had in his hand at the time of the question, I believe there is more to the story than Marty admitted. Especially since it took him so long to answer the questions specifically, where the chance meeting took place and what did they talk about. Erin and the girls had every right to jump to the worst conclustion, that's the path he has lead them down. Marty is the one who has broken a marriage vow. If Erin is guilty of such an act then Marty should speak up and show some emotion to that effect. His past and current actions are not setting a very positive example for his girls. If Marty would open his ears and heart to what his family and Dr. Phil are trying to explain to him, he would get a lot further in life and love. After seeing what an emotionless person he is on the show, how could any woman find him attractive? I get the impression that Marty doesn't think he's part of the problem, until he understands that he is, everyone involved is just wasting their breath. "You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink!"
Posted by: custom90xl
Posted on: 2004-08-05 16:51:44
I could not agree more with your response. With all the sheets of paper Dr. Phil had in his hand at the time of the question, I believe there is more to the story than Marty admitted. Especially since it took him so long to answer the questions specifically, where the chance meeting took place and what did they talk about. Erin and the girls had every right to jump to the worst conclustion, that's the path he has lead them down. Marty is the one who has broken a marriage vow. If Erin is guilty of such an act then Marty should speak up and show some emotion to that effect. His past and current actions are not setting a very positive example for his girls. If Marty would open his ears and heart to what his family and Dr. Phil are trying to explain to him, he would get a lot further in life and love. After seeing what an emotionless person he is on the show, how could any woman find him attractive? I get the impression that Marty doesn't think he's part of the problem, until he understands that he is, everyone involved is just wasting their breath. "You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink!"
Maybe
Posted by: emberly911
Posted on: 2004-08-29 08:40:51
Maybe Marty doesnt deserve to try to make his mariage work, But for some reason Erin is keeping him around. Maybe to torture him for what he did, Maybe because she still loves him . What I do know is it's just in some peoples nature to cheat. Sometimes their not getting the love and respect at home they need . For some reason Marty has stayed with all the odds against him. He must love his family or he would have left.
It doesnt seem to be a bed of roses in that family for him or his oldest daugher. The mother doesn't seem to be very forgiving of mistakes with her husband or daugher.In my opinion if Alex is going to have sex make her use protection and teach her to be responsible for her body. Making her feel dirty and less of a person for her mistake will make her reach out for the wrong attention again. She needs her fathers love and attention more than any of them do right now. She knows she made a mistake and she needs to be built up not tore down, but she does need to be responsible for her child and be able to still have a life. The whole situation would be hard for the parent and child. I dont think they should let Kathrine talk to Alex or her father like she does though.
Posted by: emberly911
Posted on: 2004-08-29 08:40:51
Maybe Marty doesnt deserve to try to make his mariage work, But for some reason Erin is keeping him around. Maybe to torture him for what he did, Maybe because she still loves him . What I do know is it's just in some peoples nature to cheat. Sometimes their not getting the love and respect at home they need . For some reason Marty has stayed with all the odds against him. He must love his family or he would have left.
It doesnt seem to be a bed of roses in that family for him or his oldest daugher. The mother doesn't seem to be very forgiving of mistakes with her husband or daugher.In my opinion if Alex is going to have sex make her use protection and teach her to be responsible for her body. Making her feel dirty and less of a person for her mistake will make her reach out for the wrong attention again. She needs her fathers love and attention more than any of them do right now. She knows she made a mistake and she needs to be built up not tore down, but she does need to be responsible for her child and be able to still have a life. The whole situation would be hard for the parent and child. I dont think they should let Kathrine talk to Alex or her father like she does though.
I'm with you on this one
Posted by: mikalunas
Posted on: 2004-08-06 09:36:43
Love conquers all.......is about as big a fantasy as "Prince Charming on a white horse". In real life love alone is not sufficient guarantee for a "happily ever after", and to me this is obvious in this family. I'm sure Erin & Marty love each other even though the hurt and pain on both sides is so evident. Everybody seems to judge the women very harshly but until one experiences the total devastation of an affair and the subsequent loss of trust and havock it causes, it is impossible to "walk" in these women's shoes. The saying "it's easier to forgive than forget" holds very true. All can be well until that one moment (episode at gas station)when everything floods back and whether Marty instigated the conversation or not, the mistrust raises it's ugly head especially when he hides the fact.
Personally I don't think this family will ever be whole again, mainly because Marty doesn't get it: He doesn't think there's anything wrong with behaving this way. To me he seems sorry only when he's caught.
I don't think the girls will benefit from living in this atmosphere and Erin is still young enough to start a new life.
Unfortunately not all love stories have a happy ending. Pity.
Posted by: mikalunas
Posted on: 2004-08-06 09:36:43
Love conquers all.......is about as big a fantasy as "Prince Charming on a white horse". In real life love alone is not sufficient guarantee for a "happily ever after", and to me this is obvious in this family. I'm sure Erin & Marty love each other even though the hurt and pain on both sides is so evident. Everybody seems to judge the women very harshly but until one experiences the total devastation of an affair and the subsequent loss of trust and havock it causes, it is impossible to "walk" in these women's shoes. The saying "it's easier to forgive than forget" holds very true. All can be well until that one moment (episode at gas station)when everything floods back and whether Marty instigated the conversation or not, the mistrust raises it's ugly head especially when he hides the fact.
Personally I don't think this family will ever be whole again, mainly because Marty doesn't get it: He doesn't think there's anything wrong with behaving this way. To me he seems sorry only when he's caught.
I don't think the girls will benefit from living in this atmosphere and Erin is still young enough to start a new life.
Unfortunately not all love stories have a happy ending. Pity.
