08/12 A Family Divided: After the Confession
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Posted by: ormskirk
Posted on: 2004-05-13 07:46:25
Well, I felt marty could not have been clearer or more open. He sat their dumbfounded cos he seriously did not know what he was supposed to have done. Wisely, given Erins massive over reaction and his vile daughters tantrums, he did not mention that he had briefly spoken to this woman at a gas station. I do not blame him for becoming angry and not wishing to speak to a producer, he's only human and he had just had to sit there listening to his daughters mouth off at him in the appalling disrespectful way they speak to everyone.
The daughters are both THRILLED to have a stick to beat him with on national television. Katherines attitude once her father was back at home would be beyond belief if we hadn't seen her behaviour previously. This child needs dealing with. How about a visit to a childrens home where she can speak to girls her own age who really did have to leave home because they had GENUINESLY abusive fathers, instead of marty who loses his rag occasionally. I would be driven mad by that girl and certainly wouldn't tolerate her behaviour for a second. Katherine would benefit seeing children who come from abusive backgrounds, who have geuninely difficult lives..........either that or send this child to a boot camp.
I hope Erin has learnt that the girls are her daughters not her girlfriends and that they need to be kept OUT of these kind of dramatic over reactions in the future.
Posted by: ormskirk
Posted on: 2004-05-13 07:46:25
Well, I felt marty could not have been clearer or more open. He sat their dumbfounded cos he seriously did not know what he was supposed to have done. Wisely, given Erins massive over reaction and his vile daughters tantrums, he did not mention that he had briefly spoken to this woman at a gas station. I do not blame him for becoming angry and not wishing to speak to a producer, he's only human and he had just had to sit there listening to his daughters mouth off at him in the appalling disrespectful way they speak to everyone.
The daughters are both THRILLED to have a stick to beat him with on national television. Katherines attitude once her father was back at home would be beyond belief if we hadn't seen her behaviour previously. This child needs dealing with. How about a visit to a childrens home where she can speak to girls her own age who really did have to leave home because they had GENUINESLY abusive fathers, instead of marty who loses his rag occasionally. I would be driven mad by that girl and certainly wouldn't tolerate her behaviour for a second. Katherine would benefit seeing children who come from abusive backgrounds, who have geuninely difficult lives..........either that or send this child to a boot camp.
I hope Erin has learnt that the girls are her daughters not her girlfriends and that they need to be kept OUT of these kind of dramatic over reactions in the future.
WELL SAID!!
Posted by: dina31g
Posted on: 2004-05-13 07:52:36
I COULD NOT OF SAID IT BETTER.
THE MOTHER IS THE QUEEN OF ALL DRAMA IF YOU ASK ME..AND HER DAUGHTERS, WELL MAINLY KATHERINE JUST FOLLOW SUITE
if i were marty i would just pack my bags and leave them all..they are all nuts
Posted by: dina31g
Posted on: 2004-05-13 07:52:36
I COULD NOT OF SAID IT BETTER.
THE MOTHER IS THE QUEEN OF ALL DRAMA IF YOU ASK ME..AND HER DAUGHTERS, WELL MAINLY KATHERINE JUST FOLLOW SUITE
if i were marty i would just pack my bags and leave them all..they are all nuts
The Marty & Erin Show
Posted by: sammeee
Posted on: 2004-05-13 08:35:44
Dina31q - agree with much of what you wrote, but do not want to see them get a divorce. They are made for each other, all of them. I think they invented DISFUNCTIONAL. I also think they just love the limelight of being on National TV every week or so, this is probably the only way they get any attention; after all what normal person would want to associate with this very unpleasant family? I just hope neither of those girls get within a million miles of my two sons!
Posted by: sammeee
Posted on: 2004-05-13 08:35:44
Dina31q - agree with much of what you wrote, but do not want to see them get a divorce. They are made for each other, all of them. I think they invented DISFUNCTIONAL. I also think they just love the limelight of being on National TV every week or so, this is probably the only way they get any attention; after all what normal person would want to associate with this very unpleasant family? I just hope neither of those girls get within a million miles of my two sons!
YEAH!
Posted by: jerrycarol
Posted on: 2004-05-13 11:58:44
I have three grown wonderful married sons and one 21 year old grandson. I wouldn't want any of my sons or grandson to marry or even go with one of these girls.
Posted by: jerrycarol
Posted on: 2004-05-13 11:58:44
I have three grown wonderful married sons and one 21 year old grandson. I wouldn't want any of my sons or grandson to marry or even go with one of these girls.
yes, but...
Posted by: unome19
Posted on: 2004-05-13 16:11:48
I also have three grown sons, two nearly grown grandsons and even a great-grandson and wouldn't want any of them married to the three women in this family. But....I definitely would not want either of my three granddaughters to marry a man like Marty who can't speak the truth if his life depends on it! Lying is what he does best, always has, and I'm sorry always will.
Posted by: unome19
Posted on: 2004-05-13 16:11:48
I also have three grown sons, two nearly grown grandsons and even a great-grandson and wouldn't want any of them married to the three women in this family. But....I definitely would not want either of my three granddaughters to marry a man like Marty who can't speak the truth if his life depends on it! Lying is what he does best, always has, and I'm sorry always will.
Erin & Marty
Posted by: paddymom
Posted on: 2004-05-14 08:54:53
I agree. The whole family is divided, and disfunctional. While Marty crawled under a rock to escape his problems, Erin has herself on a pedestal. She didn't have an affair, but she isn't without guilt herself..and my heart aches for both parents when I see the way those girls "act out." I see Marty admitting that he has a lying problem, but haven't heard a word from Erin about her failures.
Catherine needs a muzzle, while Alexandra needs a chastity belt.
Posted by: paddymom
Posted on: 2004-05-14 08:54:53
I agree. The whole family is divided, and disfunctional. While Marty crawled under a rock to escape his problems, Erin has herself on a pedestal. She didn't have an affair, but she isn't without guilt herself..and my heart aches for both parents when I see the way those girls "act out." I see Marty admitting that he has a lying problem, but haven't heard a word from Erin about her failures.
Catherine needs a muzzle, while Alexandra needs a chastity belt.
Erin & Marty
Posted by: bethumms
Posted on: 2004-08-10 19:20:08
I have to say, I am a little surprised at the reactions I'm seeing on this message board. I think they are a disfunctional family, but I think every family has its problems. I commend them for coming on TV and to Dr. Phil to help them fix their problems. I think people need to be a little more supportive of this family who are being corageous and trying to fix their problems. I don't think it is fair for anyone to judge them for trying. They have all made mistakes (maybe some more than others) and they are working through the process. I can't imagine that its easy to change habits over night. I can't imagine that its easy to put the bitterness behind you and just embrace each other.
Furthermore, here are my thoughts. I think Erin has been glowing since the baby has come into their lives. I see her really embracing the process and I commend her for trying. Alex and Katherine are two teenage girls in the middle of a large problem. TEENAGE GIRLS- cut them some slack (although, I think Katherine is a little unforgiving). Marty, I think has just had a reality check. I don't think he has been honest in the process but I'm rooting for him. I hope they can get past their problems and move forward in happiness. They deserve that. We all deserve that.
Erin, Marty, Alex, and Katherine- be strong! Keep fighting for your family, its worth saving :)
Posted by: bethumms
Posted on: 2004-08-10 19:20:08
I have to say, I am a little surprised at the reactions I'm seeing on this message board. I think they are a disfunctional family, but I think every family has its problems. I commend them for coming on TV and to Dr. Phil to help them fix their problems. I think people need to be a little more supportive of this family who are being corageous and trying to fix their problems. I don't think it is fair for anyone to judge them for trying. They have all made mistakes (maybe some more than others) and they are working through the process. I can't imagine that its easy to change habits over night. I can't imagine that its easy to put the bitterness behind you and just embrace each other.
Furthermore, here are my thoughts. I think Erin has been glowing since the baby has come into their lives. I see her really embracing the process and I commend her for trying. Alex and Katherine are two teenage girls in the middle of a large problem. TEENAGE GIRLS- cut them some slack (although, I think Katherine is a little unforgiving). Marty, I think has just had a reality check. I don't think he has been honest in the process but I'm rooting for him. I hope they can get past their problems and move forward in happiness. They deserve that. We all deserve that.
Erin, Marty, Alex, and Katherine- be strong! Keep fighting for your family, its worth saving :)
Ditto
Posted by: pama55
Posted on: 2004-05-13 16:36:40
If I was Marty, I wouldn't have said anything either. Just because of the reaction he received from those 3. Silence is golden. If he just saw the other woman & nothing happened, so what! If they go off the deep end everytime he soes something, I'd keep my mouth shut too.
Posted by: pama55
Posted on: 2004-05-13 16:36:40
If I was Marty, I wouldn't have said anything either. Just because of the reaction he received from those 3. Silence is golden. If he just saw the other woman & nothing happened, so what! If they go off the deep end everytime he soes something, I'd keep my mouth shut too.
Ditto II
Posted by: pc8hundred
Posted on: 2004-05-15 16:49:28
Is Dr. Phil trying to make his show into a soap opera? Marty runs into the woman he had an affair with in a public place, speaks to her and that's it. Dr. Phil categorizes it as "Marty's Shocking Confession"! I don't get it. What's the big deal? In hindsight, perhaps he should have told Erin, but hindsight is 20-20. He could well have thought that telling her would serve no useful purpose, only upset her and perhaps make her angry. Running into the woman was NOT wrong-doing on Marty's part. He had no control over that. I just don't get the big deal that Dr. Phil and this family is making out of it.
PC800
Posted by: pc8hundred
Posted on: 2004-05-15 16:49:28
Is Dr. Phil trying to make his show into a soap opera? Marty runs into the woman he had an affair with in a public place, speaks to her and that's it. Dr. Phil categorizes it as "Marty's Shocking Confession"! I don't get it. What's the big deal? In hindsight, perhaps he should have told Erin, but hindsight is 20-20. He could well have thought that telling her would serve no useful purpose, only upset her and perhaps make her angry. Running into the woman was NOT wrong-doing on Marty's part. He had no control over that. I just don't get the big deal that Dr. Phil and this family is making out of it.
PC800
Marty should run!
Posted by: middlee
Posted on: 2004-08-17 19:05:53
Katherine and Erin are not entitled to own Marty's space. Everyone deserves to have some privacy. In this case, Erin and Katherine will take any excuse to "lord" over Marty. I believe that Dr. Phil is facilitating this. While it is one thing for Erin to be disrespectful, Katherine has no business being like this at all to her father. Katherine is very comfortable being desrespectful; I'm glad I'm not her teacher.
Posted by: middlee
Posted on: 2004-08-17 19:05:53
Katherine and Erin are not entitled to own Marty's space. Everyone deserves to have some privacy. In this case, Erin and Katherine will take any excuse to "lord" over Marty. I believe that Dr. Phil is facilitating this. While it is one thing for Erin to be disrespectful, Katherine has no business being like this at all to her father. Katherine is very comfortable being desrespectful; I'm glad I'm not her teacher.
Sorry, I think you're missing something here...
Posted by: shawbehan
Posted on: 2004-08-13 19:46:53
As a wife of 12 years who has been subjected to so-called omissions on a regular basis, I can tell you that it is beyond hurtful. By not telling his family the whole truth, Marty is not giving them a chance. He robs them of an opportunity to rise to the occasion and offer support- you never know- and not only does he prove himself untrustworthy, he also gives them the message that he doesn't trust in them. Both sides lose in this vicious cycle.
And I don't buy into this crap about him being afraid of the reaction; he is a grown man after all. What are they going to do? If they are being abusive, he needs to tell them-especially his daughters who need to respect their elders- that he will not get into any dialogue until they have control of themselves and can avoid being abusive. It's called setting up boundaries so everyone has a safe place to air their issues.
It isn't talking-albeit heatedly- that destroys families and marriages. It is the lack of communication; things just fester and then one day the problem has become so huge that it is now overwhelming.
Choose to trust.
Sincerely,
SB
Posted by: shawbehan
Posted on: 2004-08-13 19:46:53
As a wife of 12 years who has been subjected to so-called omissions on a regular basis, I can tell you that it is beyond hurtful. By not telling his family the whole truth, Marty is not giving them a chance. He robs them of an opportunity to rise to the occasion and offer support- you never know- and not only does he prove himself untrustworthy, he also gives them the message that he doesn't trust in them. Both sides lose in this vicious cycle.
And I don't buy into this crap about him being afraid of the reaction; he is a grown man after all. What are they going to do? If they are being abusive, he needs to tell them-especially his daughters who need to respect their elders- that he will not get into any dialogue until they have control of themselves and can avoid being abusive. It's called setting up boundaries so everyone has a safe place to air their issues.
It isn't talking-albeit heatedly- that destroys families and marriages. It is the lack of communication; things just fester and then one day the problem has become so huge that it is now overwhelming.
Choose to trust.
Sincerely,
SB
Ditto 2
Posted by: ddebeer
Posted on: 2005-06-14 10:14:57
If marty had said anything it would have been more of a problem to me, because that would have shown that there was something there to be worried about. But since there was nothing in it he just let it be. Now I see in his video diary he saw her pulling into a parking as he pulled out and he ran of to the bank to first go and report to the commander. There is a reason why he hide things from the family, and I think I can see why, they blow everything out of proportion and then have a lets bash Daddy day. I have only one daughter and if she even try to pull stunts like that Katherine she would meet the wrong end of the world. It is clear that she has never been taught to repect her parents.
Posted by: ddebeer
Posted on: 2005-06-14 10:14:57
If marty had said anything it would have been more of a problem to me, because that would have shown that there was something there to be worried about. But since there was nothing in it he just let it be. Now I see in his video diary he saw her pulling into a parking as he pulled out and he ran of to the bank to first go and report to the commander. There is a reason why he hide things from the family, and I think I can see why, they blow everything out of proportion and then have a lets bash Daddy day. I have only one daughter and if she even try to pull stunts like that Katherine she would meet the wrong end of the world. It is clear that she has never been taught to repect her parents.
but...
Posted by: forwhyiask
Posted on: 2004-05-13 22:12:50
i see what you are saying but would you want your boys to be like marty? would you rather not have them married to those girls or would you want him to turn out like marty and hide things so they wont cry?
Posted by: forwhyiask
Posted on: 2004-05-13 22:12:50
i see what you are saying but would you want your boys to be like marty? would you rather not have them married to those girls or would you want him to turn out like marty and hide things so they wont cry?
Posted by: mlamaya
Posted on: 2004-08-12 17:41:43
Everyone keeps secrets in one way or another. Marty knew how his wife and girls would react and didn't want to deal with it, neither would I. Marital problems should be handled by the parents, not the kids.
Right on!
Posted by: shawbehan
Posted on: 2004-08-13 19:47:03
You are soooo right! Children should not be subjected to such issues between the adults, this being one of them.
I think it's horrifying that these two young girls are being subjected to a blow-by-blow account of their father's indiscretion(s). That is so damaging to a young person. (I know this first hand, by the way) Haven't studies shown that infidelities by the parents make the children much more likely to commit adultery when they are grown up?
I am starting to think that this whole thing has gone far enough. Maybe it's time for the parents to just sit with a Counselor behind closed doors and not air their dirty laundry to those young girls. It may prove helpful- or titillating in some cases, lets be honest!- to the audience, but the welfare of these girls suggests that it's time for the adult issues to be resolved in private now. Their needs should start to come first.
Sincerely,
SB
Posted by: shawbehan
Posted on: 2004-08-13 19:47:03
You are soooo right! Children should not be subjected to such issues between the adults, this being one of them.
I think it's horrifying that these two young girls are being subjected to a blow-by-blow account of their father's indiscretion(s). That is so damaging to a young person. (I know this first hand, by the way) Haven't studies shown that infidelities by the parents make the children much more likely to commit adultery when they are grown up?
I am starting to think that this whole thing has gone far enough. Maybe it's time for the parents to just sit with a Counselor behind closed doors and not air their dirty laundry to those young girls. It may prove helpful- or titillating in some cases, lets be honest!- to the audience, but the welfare of these girls suggests that it's time for the adult issues to be resolved in private now. Their needs should start to come first.
Sincerely,
SB
The parents only
Posted by: monaghanl
Posted on: 2004-08-14 08:00:35
I agree that these marital problems should be the parents only. These kids are way too involved in what is going on with the marriage.
Posted by: monaghanl
Posted on: 2004-08-14 08:00:35
I agree that these marital problems should be the parents only. These kids are way too involved in what is going on with the marriage.
Amen to that
Posted by: pettyonce
Posted on: 2004-05-14 08:45:35
A few months ago Katherine wanted to be "put up for adoption". I personally wouldn't have her. She is a spoiled brat and as Dr. Phil says "Doesn't have a clue". She is going to have a lonely life or will be back on Dr. Phil show in a few years discussing why her marriage is on the rocks.
Posted by: pettyonce
Posted on: 2004-05-14 08:45:35
A few months ago Katherine wanted to be "put up for adoption". I personally wouldn't have her. She is a spoiled brat and as Dr. Phil says "Doesn't have a clue". She is going to have a lonely life or will be back on Dr. Phil show in a few years discussing why her marriage is on the rocks.
surprise
Posted by: bbrinsky
Posted on: 2004-05-14 10:14:39
Is it any surprise that Katherine talks disrespectful to her parents. Where do you think she learned it from. It sounds like to me Marty is just as guilty from calling his kids names. I bet Marty does act differently at home. I grew up with a Dad that all the people at church thought he was so sweet, but at home he would flip out if the ketchup was not on the table. People outside our house did not see that behavior. I don't think Marty will ever really get it.
Posted by: bbrinsky
Posted on: 2004-05-14 10:14:39
Is it any surprise that Katherine talks disrespectful to her parents. Where do you think she learned it from. It sounds like to me Marty is just as guilty from calling his kids names. I bet Marty does act differently at home. I grew up with a Dad that all the people at church thought he was so sweet, but at home he would flip out if the ketchup was not on the table. People outside our house did not see that behavior. I don't think Marty will ever really get it.
quick to judge
Posted by: giasmom1
Posted on: 2004-05-17 20:51:32
Don't be so quick to say that about the girls, they are growing up and they are just in a bad situation right now. How would you feel if that was about your sons and grandson. You should get to know people before being so quick to judge.
Posted by: giasmom1
Posted on: 2004-05-17 20:51:32
Don't be so quick to say that about the girls, they are growing up and they are just in a bad situation right now. How would you feel if that was about your sons and grandson. You should get to know people before being so quick to judge.
Invented Dysfunctional?
Posted by: snowstorm1
Posted on: 2004-05-13 15:01:38
Most people are over exagerating when they describe this family in negative terms. This family did not invent dysfunction. To me, most of their problems are typical & the same reasons why so many couples get divorced. Cheating, being bad parents & financial issues - are all typical. They are not these horrible people. They need help yes, but I wish people would stop over dramatizing their problems when most everyone knows atleast one couple going through similar problems. What do people think goes on behind closed doors in regular families? Are people that niave that they would think everything is fine all the time & no one yells or argues or has problems with their kids. Certainly, Alex's situation is no exception in this country. How do you think that happens to so many young girls.
I'm not a Marty fan, but atleast he provides for his family & he is there trying to make it work. He may be doing a bad job of trying right now but trying is something many men don't bother to do.
His children need a big attitude check. They are not perfect parents, but it is obvious that they love their children & want the best for them even if they're still trying to figure out how to do that. Once again, atleast they are trying. My parents sucked, & never tried to be better. I agree that Katherine doesn't have the slightest clue what a bad father is. & she has alot of nerve judging her father for things that are between him & his wife. Her mother could use some support & instead all she can do is add to the tense environment.
I also grew up poor & being poor in a real dysfunctional family just makes things even worse. Her parents are providing a standard of living that is above average. Given the environment that her parents grew up in, they turned out damn good - both self sufficient, educated & professionally accomplished. They are doing some things right & they have no business tolerating the disrespect from their children (especially Katherine) just because they aren't perfect.
& quite honestly, even though it's wrong, I can totally understand why Marty said Alex was his favorite. Hey, there are some children that you just get along better with - it doesn't mean you love them any more or less. & if Dr. Phil really expects these girls to turn out good, he needs to stop encouraging these girls to be so involved in their parents issues. Katherine's attitude proves that they are too young for this type of involvement in adult issues. I be
Posted by: snowstorm1
Posted on: 2004-05-13 15:01:38
Most people are over exagerating when they describe this family in negative terms. This family did not invent dysfunction. To me, most of their problems are typical & the same reasons why so many couples get divorced. Cheating, being bad parents & financial issues - are all typical. They are not these horrible people. They need help yes, but I wish people would stop over dramatizing their problems when most everyone knows atleast one couple going through similar problems. What do people think goes on behind closed doors in regular families? Are people that niave that they would think everything is fine all the time & no one yells or argues or has problems with their kids. Certainly, Alex's situation is no exception in this country. How do you think that happens to so many young girls.
I'm not a Marty fan, but atleast he provides for his family & he is there trying to make it work. He may be doing a bad job of trying right now but trying is something many men don't bother to do.
His children need a big attitude check. They are not perfect parents, but it is obvious that they love their children & want the best for them even if they're still trying to figure out how to do that. Once again, atleast they are trying. My parents sucked, & never tried to be better. I agree that Katherine doesn't have the slightest clue what a bad father is. & she has alot of nerve judging her father for things that are between him & his wife. Her mother could use some support & instead all she can do is add to the tense environment.
I also grew up poor & being poor in a real dysfunctional family just makes things even worse. Her parents are providing a standard of living that is above average. Given the environment that her parents grew up in, they turned out damn good - both self sufficient, educated & professionally accomplished. They are doing some things right & they have no business tolerating the disrespect from their children (especially Katherine) just because they aren't perfect.
& quite honestly, even though it's wrong, I can totally understand why Marty said Alex was his favorite. Hey, there are some children that you just get along better with - it doesn't mean you love them any more or less. & if Dr. Phil really expects these girls to turn out good, he needs to stop encouraging these girls to be so involved in their parents issues. Katherine's attitude proves that they are too young for this type of involvement in adult issues. I be
