06/10 A Family Divided
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Posted by: pszychojoe
Posted on: 2003-09-17 23:24:33
If the hurricane doesn't knock out our power, the show airs here in a couple of hours. But every time I see the ad and the hokey acting job of the mother saying "My baby is having a baby" I think of what the great philospher/WWE wrestler Booker T said..."Save the drama for Your Mama." Looks like this is a family looking for a chance to be on TV.
Posted by: pszychojoe
Posted on: 2003-09-17 23:24:33
If the hurricane doesn't knock out our power, the show airs here in a couple of hours. But every time I see the ad and the hokey acting job of the mother saying "My baby is having a baby" I think of what the great philospher/WWE wrestler Booker T said..."Save the drama for Your Mama." Looks like this is a family looking for a chance to be on TV.
Give MAMA a break
Posted by: scooter_
Posted on: 2003-09-18 01:16:44
Hey they all have camera's on them plus Dr Phil watchin which would make you more nervous, and most people act differently with camera blaring at them we all are not actors. Not to mention they are opening there lives too you critic's and they have one confused family. I sure hope Dr Phil helps them organize their lives because you people will just drag them down.
Posted by: scooter_
Posted on: 2003-09-18 01:16:44
Hey they all have camera's on them plus Dr Phil watchin which would make you more nervous, and most people act differently with camera blaring at them we all are not actors. Not to mention they are opening there lives too you critic's and they have one confused family. I sure hope Dr Phil helps them organize their lives because you people will just drag them down.
*smack*
Posted by: nobagels
Posted on: 2003-09-18 09:08:52
I wanted to smack that father, if the way he behaved on the first show is any indication of "how he is".
I can't believe he'd state he had a favorite daughter out loud. I can't imagine how I would feel if I was twelve and my father made it known to me I was the "least favored".
Seems to me like he wants to raise this baby because the baby is going to be a boy..oh, GEE, great reason!!
It saddens me that the 15 year old girl has to make such a hard decision, because it seems that she isn't going to be fully capable of comprehending how either decision will impact her.
Posted by: nobagels
Posted on: 2003-09-18 09:08:52
I wanted to smack that father, if the way he behaved on the first show is any indication of "how he is".
I can't believe he'd state he had a favorite daughter out loud. I can't imagine how I would feel if I was twelve and my father made it known to me I was the "least favored".
Seems to me like he wants to raise this baby because the baby is going to be a boy..oh, GEE, great reason!!
It saddens me that the 15 year old girl has to make such a hard decision, because it seems that she isn't going to be fully capable of comprehending how either decision will impact her.
with ya 100%!
Posted by: joboxer555
Posted on: 2003-09-18 16:51:18
Hey NB,
I felt Exactly the same--this man has NO committment to anyone, other than his own desires! I put Money on the fact that he will Never change a single diaper or take this child to a doctor's appt! People like that do Not change--he was not there for the girls or his wife!
I feel it would be best to save the girls' thinking this is how a real marriage should be, and divorce this 'man'--then get on with their lives--the mom can empower them to be happy as women just fine.
There are SO many loving couples who can give a child a Great home--That, I could live with. The girl is still a child and too selfish to be a parent; worried about never wearing a bikini again? As it should be, she is a child herself and they need to face that.
Also, did not for ONE second believe that man when he said he was not involved in an affair right now, did y'all?
Mahalo,
Jo
Posted by: joboxer555
Posted on: 2003-09-18 16:51:18
Hey NB,
I felt Exactly the same--this man has NO committment to anyone, other than his own desires! I put Money on the fact that he will Never change a single diaper or take this child to a doctor's appt! People like that do Not change--he was not there for the girls or his wife!
I feel it would be best to save the girls' thinking this is how a real marriage should be, and divorce this 'man'--then get on with their lives--the mom can empower them to be happy as women just fine.
There are SO many loving couples who can give a child a Great home--That, I could live with. The girl is still a child and too selfish to be a parent; worried about never wearing a bikini again? As it should be, she is a child herself and they need to face that.
Also, did not for ONE second believe that man when he said he was not involved in an affair right now, did y'all?
Mahalo,
Jo
Family Divided
Posted by: coleenhelm
Posted on: 2003-09-19 15:26:09
I agree with you Mahalo, Jo. The whole family seems quite selfish to me. Even the youngest girl. I don't believe the father is not having an affair for one minute. It's written all over his face. Having been a teen mother myself, I could certainly offer Alex some advice. Giving up your adolescence is HUGE. It is something that cannot be replaced. It would be best for that baby to go to a couple who WANTS to raise a baby, not someone who feels OBLIGATED to because they made a mistake and got pregnant. It will be a disaster if that family brings up the baby. There are enough selfish, screwed up kids in the world today. We don't need another one.
Posted by: coleenhelm
Posted on: 2003-09-19 15:26:09
I agree with you Mahalo, Jo. The whole family seems quite selfish to me. Even the youngest girl. I don't believe the father is not having an affair for one minute. It's written all over his face. Having been a teen mother myself, I could certainly offer Alex some advice. Giving up your adolescence is HUGE. It is something that cannot be replaced. It would be best for that baby to go to a couple who WANTS to raise a baby, not someone who feels OBLIGATED to because they made a mistake and got pregnant. It will be a disaster if that family brings up the baby. There are enough selfish, screwed up kids in the world today. We don't need another one.
The 12 yr old
Posted by: ckendall49
Posted on: 2003-09-20 22:22:51
I agree that the father is having an affair, or something is going on he's not talking about; you can see it in his face. I was impresed with the 12 year old's unusually perceptive insight about her family relationships. She's not selfish though, she's just 12. She is inadvertently being punished for her sister's pregnancy. Good for her for sticking up for herself.
Posted by: ckendall49
Posted on: 2003-09-20 22:22:51
I agree that the father is having an affair, or something is going on he's not talking about; you can see it in his face. I was impresed with the 12 year old's unusually perceptive insight about her family relationships. She's not selfish though, she's just 12. She is inadvertently being punished for her sister's pregnancy. Good for her for sticking up for herself.
The 12 yr old in me
Posted by: msdg99
Posted on: 2003-09-21 14:16:17
Despite the dysfunction in the family, the 12-year-old seemed to have a strong sense of self. She knew in her heart that she was not being seen or heard and that that was wrong. When Dr Phil stood next to her, put his arm around her, and firmly told her parents to SEE her, LISTEN to her, sobs wracked my body. I'm filled with emotion writing about it now. How different would life be if children really were seen, heard, and believed? My reality is that my parents will never see me and the pain of my childhood cannot be erased, but I am re-committed to seeing, hearing, and believing my children.
Posted by: msdg99
Posted on: 2003-09-21 14:16:17
Despite the dysfunction in the family, the 12-year-old seemed to have a strong sense of self. She knew in her heart that she was not being seen or heard and that that was wrong. When Dr Phil stood next to her, put his arm around her, and firmly told her parents to SEE her, LISTEN to her, sobs wracked my body. I'm filled with emotion writing about it now. How different would life be if children really were seen, heard, and believed? My reality is that my parents will never see me and the pain of my childhood cannot be erased, but I am re-committed to seeing, hearing, and believing my children.
12 yr. old
Posted by: cal2nh
Posted on: 2003-09-21 15:24:21
I agree that the father is a jerk. But, his childhood wasn't the greatest and contributes to who he is now...He definately shouldn't play or at least admit that the older girl is his favorite. But, I think that the 12 yr. old is kind of a brat. She thinks that she is better than her sister. What a wonderful opportunity to teach her compassion. Her sister is in trouble. One day she may need that same love and support from her sister. P.S. I love Dr. Phil but, he hasn't raised girls. I've noticed this before. He doesn't always know how they operate.
Posted by: cal2nh
Posted on: 2003-09-21 15:24:21
I agree that the father is a jerk. But, his childhood wasn't the greatest and contributes to who he is now...He definately shouldn't play or at least admit that the older girl is his favorite. But, I think that the 12 yr. old is kind of a brat. She thinks that she is better than her sister. What a wonderful opportunity to teach her compassion. Her sister is in trouble. One day she may need that same love and support from her sister. P.S. I love Dr. Phil but, he hasn't raised girls. I've noticed this before. He doesn't always know how they operate.
I don't think she's a brat. She's just being 12!
Posted by: goldlite
Posted on: 2003-09-26 08:42:55
She may feel that she's better and that may be what keeps her going right now. Think about it! She's the only one in the family doing her job! She's going to school and doing what she's supposed to be doing. Her father isn't being a good husband to his wife or a good dad to his daughters, her mom wasn't tuned in as a mom and her may feel that her sister failed because she had sex. She has to deal with a lot at 12. I think she does love her sister and has compassion but there's so much other stuff out there, that's she's having a hard time. Not only does she have to hear kids at school talk about her sister. She now has to hear them talk about her dad having affairs and how she's the least favored child. What a mess! I have 5 girls. Dr Phil may not have raised girls but he is a doctor, after all. I think he's doing fine.
Posted by: goldlite
Posted on: 2003-09-26 08:42:55
She may feel that she's better and that may be what keeps her going right now. Think about it! She's the only one in the family doing her job! She's going to school and doing what she's supposed to be doing. Her father isn't being a good husband to his wife or a good dad to his daughters, her mom wasn't tuned in as a mom and her may feel that her sister failed because she had sex. She has to deal with a lot at 12. I think she does love her sister and has compassion but there's so much other stuff out there, that's she's having a hard time. Not only does she have to hear kids at school talk about her sister. She now has to hear them talk about her dad having affairs and how she's the least favored child. What a mess! I have 5 girls. Dr Phil may not have raised girls but he is a doctor, after all. I think he's doing fine.
12 yr.old
Posted by: cbs338
Posted on: 2003-09-27 16:31:49
I love Dr. Phil but this time I think he is not seeing what is right before his eyes. That younger sister is a brat! Maybe your right that not hving girls, Dr. Phil doesn't really see it or know how to deal with it.
Posted by: cbs338
Posted on: 2003-09-27 16:31:49
I love Dr. Phil but this time I think he is not seeing what is right before his eyes. That younger sister is a brat! Maybe your right that not hving girls, Dr. Phil doesn't really see it or know how to deal with it.
This 12 year old is NOT a brat!
Posted by: betsysuer
Posted on: 2003-10-09 15:12:59
How could you say that this kid is a brat!?!? It is the only intelligent one in the family! I agree with everything she says! She's very smart.
Posted by: betsysuer
Posted on: 2003-10-09 15:12:59
How could you say that this kid is a brat!?!? It is the only intelligent one in the family! I agree with everything she says! She's very smart.
Posted by: lisa1987
Posted on: 2004-06-10 14:52:48
I think she is a brat. She is only thinking of how this affects her wehn in actuality it barely affects her. It is not her child, it is not her life, it is her sister's, she should get over herself.
Posted by: fishinup10
Posted on: 2004-06-10 15:37:21
I totally disagree with thinking shes a brat she is anything but a brat and she is greatly affected by all of this its her family after all she can't just sit there and watch it
Posted by: simplifi
Posted on: 2004-06-15 15:20:50
Kathryn is only 12! At her age everything is upsetting. It does affect her she lives in the middle of the whole thing. That baby will affect everyone in the family. It causes arguing and fighting daily so it really does hit home for her...
shes not a brat
Posted by: fishinup10
Posted on: 2004-06-10 15:33:56
How could anyone say this girl is a brat, she is 12 years old and has to deal with this chaotic family. She has to go to school and listen to these people talk about her sister and then go home and watch her dad play favorites and she definately has every right to be angry with her father and sister her father is a jerk and her sister is selfish.
Posted by: fishinup10
Posted on: 2004-06-10 15:33:56
How could anyone say this girl is a brat, she is 12 years old and has to deal with this chaotic family. She has to go to school and listen to these people talk about her sister and then go home and watch her dad play favorites and she definately has every right to be angry with her father and sister her father is a jerk and her sister is selfish.
Selfish Family
Posted by: dpferguson
Posted on: 2004-06-10 16:12:16
I may change my mind after seeing the follow-up show, but for now I find this entire family to be selfish. The younger sister obviously had a problem with this pregnant sister even BEFORE she was pregnant. Their is jealousy and self-centerness throughout each and every one of them. I have the type of family that could participate in each and every Dr. Phil episode at one time or another, however, we are supportive of each other and our love is apparent. I don't see love or support in this family and that is sad. The 15-year old girl is being told that ths baby will destroy their lives (what choice does she have?)
Posted by: dpferguson
Posted on: 2004-06-10 16:12:16
I may change my mind after seeing the follow-up show, but for now I find this entire family to be selfish. The younger sister obviously had a problem with this pregnant sister even BEFORE she was pregnant. Their is jealousy and self-centerness throughout each and every one of them. I have the type of family that could participate in each and every Dr. Phil episode at one time or another, however, we are supportive of each other and our love is apparent. I don't see love or support in this family and that is sad. The 15-year old girl is being told that ths baby will destroy their lives (what choice does she have?)
Father should not blame his childhood
Posted by: tinki1974
Posted on: 2003-10-02 00:29:13
THE FATHER HAD A BAD CHILDHOOD!!!He needs to get over it already & save his daughters. Most people don't have Ozzie & Harriet lives but they still manage a good life.He should want better for his kids than what he had.He is emotionally detached from his whole family.There is only so far that you can take blaming your behavior on your childhood. He needs to act like a man & take responsibility for his actions!!!Also, the 12 year old should not be considered a brat. She is a hurt,confused little girl headed to her teen years.Her parents are fighting, her sister is pregnant at 15, & her dad said her sister was his favorite child! Of course she has said mean things lashing back at them but I am sure she loves her family.
Posted by: tinki1974
Posted on: 2003-10-02 00:29:13
THE FATHER HAD A BAD CHILDHOOD!!!He needs to get over it already & save his daughters. Most people don't have Ozzie & Harriet lives but they still manage a good life.He should want better for his kids than what he had.He is emotionally detached from his whole family.There is only so far that you can take blaming your behavior on your childhood. He needs to act like a man & take responsibility for his actions!!!Also, the 12 year old should not be considered a brat. She is a hurt,confused little girl headed to her teen years.Her parents are fighting, her sister is pregnant at 15, & her dad said her sister was his favorite child! Of course she has said mean things lashing back at them but I am sure she loves her family.
The father has problems and the mother is bitter
Posted by: moontine
Posted on: 2003-11-20 12:12:42
The father has problems. I'm sorry about his childhood, but he does need to get over that. It seems like he wants a son, and this is the son he never had. What a shame to say you have a favorite child. Sometimes, it's not good to "tell the truth!"
The youngest child will never get over the fact that he said that.
The mother is bitter, because she had herself settled in the fact that she was getting divorced. I think she's bitter toward the girls for holding this up. They will end up in divorce court.
They ALL need lots of counseling.
Posted by: moontine
Posted on: 2003-11-20 12:12:42
The father has problems. I'm sorry about his childhood, but he does need to get over that. It seems like he wants a son, and this is the son he never had. What a shame to say you have a favorite child. Sometimes, it's not good to "tell the truth!"
The youngest child will never get over the fact that he said that.
The mother is bitter, because she had herself settled in the fact that she was getting divorced. I think she's bitter toward the girls for holding this up. They will end up in divorce court.
They ALL need lots of counseling.
Not as easy as some think
Posted by: spbanks
Posted on: 2003-11-21 00:30:51
I think people do not understand that growing up without being shown affection and love is sometimes hard to overcome. You have a desire to make sure that your kids are not treated that way but you do not have the skills to show the love you want to. This is not like not knowing how to repair a car and just going out to get training on becoming a mechanic. Then everyone says show your true feelings, and as soon as you do you get beat up. So I guess show your true feelings but only if it doesnt hurt anyone for instance how dare he be truthful and say he favors his oldest because she was his first born. I guess you feel he should have suppressed that feeling? So which feelings do you express and which do you suppress? I do not say this to excuse him of his behavior but some of the statements have to apply across the board not just to who you like. He is also reacting to actions by his family. For instance if his wife is aware he has trouble showing his emotions then she is about the only one that can help him to develop that ability. To say just do it is not being realistic. The more she beats him up for not being able to show his emotions the harder it is for him to trust and develop that ability!
Posted by: spbanks
Posted on: 2003-11-21 00:30:51
I think people do not understand that growing up without being shown affection and love is sometimes hard to overcome. You have a desire to make sure that your kids are not treated that way but you do not have the skills to show the love you want to. This is not like not knowing how to repair a car and just going out to get training on becoming a mechanic. Then everyone says show your true feelings, and as soon as you do you get beat up. So I guess show your true feelings but only if it doesnt hurt anyone for instance how dare he be truthful and say he favors his oldest because she was his first born. I guess you feel he should have suppressed that feeling? So which feelings do you express and which do you suppress? I do not say this to excuse him of his behavior but some of the statements have to apply across the board not just to who you like. He is also reacting to actions by his family. For instance if his wife is aware he has trouble showing his emotions then she is about the only one that can help him to develop that ability. To say just do it is not being realistic. The more she beats him up for not being able to show his emotions the harder it is for him to trust and develop that ability!
re: Ozzie & Harriet
Posted by: simplifi
Posted on: 2004-06-10 14:46:47
You are so right!!!!!!!!! I couldn't of said it better myself. It's amazing how some people will lay the blame at their parents feet for their short comings!!! Suck it up MARTY!!!!
Posted by: simplifi
Posted on: 2004-06-10 14:46:47
You are so right!!!!!!!!! I couldn't of said it better myself. It's amazing how some people will lay the blame at their parents feet for their short comings!!! Suck it up MARTY!!!!
