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Posted by: torielay
Posted on: 2004-11-20 09:53:44
I just cam across that this topic is going to be discussed again on a t.v talk show. Come on people how many times do you need to discuss the same subject? I just wanted to note that you people focuse in on childrens beauty pageants and turn them into some god awful thing and they are not. Everything that you do with your children is what you and your family make it out to be. My daughter has been competing since she was nine months old and she just turned seven. We turn them into a positive time and a funtime that me, her grandma, great-grandma and even her aunts go away for a girls weekend and she loves to go and have fun and play with the girls that she has meet and not all of the parents are wacko (but yes there are some out there that are very crazed about their child and thinking that they should win everytime they go out) but I also want to state that is not a trait that is only in pageants, I also have a nine year old son who plays travel hockey and let me tell you about some crazed parents, the competition in any sport or activity is unreal. All parents want the best for their children! Its just that some take it to far and that is something that will continue as long as there are people on this earth, but due to that fact you can't punish or look down on everyone because some people try to make the most out of what they do with their children. My daughter also takes dance and let me tell you, the mothers doll up the girls with make-up and little funky hair pieces and that has been going on for years, I took dance when I was little and can remember getting all ready for the recital. Pageants are a positive thing for children (girls and boys)if you make them that way. My daughters teachers since she started pre-school have always stated how confident she is in what she does, that she was always willing to try things and it was ok if she failed at them but she was willing to try and her speaking abilities were wonderful for her age and she has learned that from competing. She has always been told to try and do her best and that you can't win every time you do something and she is ok with that. When a pageant is coming up, she is always asked if she wants to go, if she says no then we don't and when she says that she does not want to do them anymore then we will stop but until then she enjoys them. As far as the make-up, well I have to say you people have never been to a dance recital, cheerleading comp., etc. Also, Dr. phil you should now the best that when you are under stage lighting (which these girls are) that you have to have make up on or you would look like a ghost white sheet that had died. Let me ask Dr. Phil do you wear make up while you are on stage for your T.V shows???? Why don't you try doing a show with out any and see how you look on the screen. I bet you would have major talk going on about how you looked for that show. (just a challange. Just remember that most people want their children to be good well rounded people in life and how you achieve that it different in every household. Sorry to say that again as long as there are people on the earth, society will always have an impact on the way things are and that means that girls are suppose to present themselves in a positive manner. I want my daughter to think about how she looks and be confident in that. Every women out there can be beautiful if they have the confidence to be. That takes poise and being taught not to be afraid to take chances in what you do!!!!
Posted by: torielay
Posted on: 2004-11-20 09:53:44
I just cam across that this topic is going to be discussed again on a t.v talk show. Come on people how many times do you need to discuss the same subject? I just wanted to note that you people focuse in on childrens beauty pageants and turn them into some god awful thing and they are not. Everything that you do with your children is what you and your family make it out to be. My daughter has been competing since she was nine months old and she just turned seven. We turn them into a positive time and a funtime that me, her grandma, great-grandma and even her aunts go away for a girls weekend and she loves to go and have fun and play with the girls that she has meet and not all of the parents are wacko (but yes there are some out there that are very crazed about their child and thinking that they should win everytime they go out) but I also want to state that is not a trait that is only in pageants, I also have a nine year old son who plays travel hockey and let me tell you about some crazed parents, the competition in any sport or activity is unreal. All parents want the best for their children! Its just that some take it to far and that is something that will continue as long as there are people on this earth, but due to that fact you can't punish or look down on everyone because some people try to make the most out of what they do with their children. My daughter also takes dance and let me tell you, the mothers doll up the girls with make-up and little funky hair pieces and that has been going on for years, I took dance when I was little and can remember getting all ready for the recital. Pageants are a positive thing for children (girls and boys)if you make them that way. My daughters teachers since she started pre-school have always stated how confident she is in what she does, that she was always willing to try things and it was ok if she failed at them but she was willing to try and her speaking abilities were wonderful for her age and she has learned that from competing. She has always been told to try and do her best and that you can't win every time you do something and she is ok with that. When a pageant is coming up, she is always asked if she wants to go, if she says no then we don't and when she says that she does not want to do them anymore then we will stop but until then she enjoys them. As far as the make-up, well I have to say you people have never been to a dance recital, cheerleading comp., etc. Also, Dr. phil you should now the best that when you are under stage lighting (which these girls are) that you have to have make up on or you would look like a ghost white sheet that had died. Let me ask Dr. Phil do you wear make up while you are on stage for your T.V shows???? Why don't you try doing a show with out any and see how you look on the screen. I bet you would have major talk going on about how you looked for that show. (just a challange. Just remember that most people want their children to be good well rounded people in life and how you achieve that it different in every household. Sorry to say that again as long as there are people on the earth, society will always have an impact on the way things are and that means that girls are suppose to present themselves in a positive manner. I want my daughter to think about how she looks and be confident in that. Every women out there can be beautiful if they have the confidence to be. That takes poise and being taught not to be afraid to take chances in what you do!!!!
Let them be kids
Posted by: nativetex
Posted on: 2004-11-20 14:22:35
I must say, I've never tuned into Dr.Phil and made a judgement on his advice based on the stage make-up he is or isn't wearing.
I feel for your daughter. You said in addition to the beauty pageants, she also takes dance and again is subjected to being dolled up and put on display. Dance is suppose to be about dance, not how you look. Again, I've never attended a ballet and judged the performance based on the dancers choice of eye shadow! We are all aware of the downside of those highly competitive traveling sports teams and you have your son involved in that?! My gosh! I think I see a pattern here. They are your kids and you will witness the consequences of what you are doing, but please do not try and convince the rest of us that this is in anyway right or a positive investment in their future.
Posted by: nativetex
Posted on: 2004-11-20 14:22:35
I must say, I've never tuned into Dr.Phil and made a judgement on his advice based on the stage make-up he is or isn't wearing.
I feel for your daughter. You said in addition to the beauty pageants, she also takes dance and again is subjected to being dolled up and put on display. Dance is suppose to be about dance, not how you look. Again, I've never attended a ballet and judged the performance based on the dancers choice of eye shadow! We are all aware of the downside of those highly competitive traveling sports teams and you have your son involved in that?! My gosh! I think I see a pattern here. They are your kids and you will witness the consequences of what you are doing, but please do not try and convince the rest of us that this is in anyway right or a positive investment in their future.
reply to let them be kids
Posted by: torielay
Posted on: 2004-11-21 00:34:53
Just to answer your reply to my comments.My daughter does dance because she loves it and she doesn't wear make up at the recital because she doesn't need to, the lighting is not harsh bright stage lights, I was making a statement that the other little girls want to put the make up and the parents do it. My son plays travel hockey because he loves it and he came to us and asked to play, also there are different levels in hockey (house, travel, AAA,etc.) he plays travel because of his skill level, what's the sense on playing something at a level that you just skate circles around the other members. Yes, I have three children and they are all involved in sporting activities and they each love what they do. I am always told that I have the most polite and well rounded children that they have met. Plus just a note, all three of them are all 4.0 students and are involved in student council and numerous things for school also. Two of them were named Great Lake Scholars (third one not old enough yet)last year. Also, when my daughter holds a title to a pageant system I always have her represent that title by doing charity work. The one year she rang for the salvation army, adopted a family for christmas and got donations from people and companies to purchase them gifts and food, she has done things for the american kidney foundation and I could go on and on. Also, my sons travel hockey team just took money that they earned for scoring goals, shut outs,hat tricks,etc.(you have to know hockey to know these things)and donated it to an orphange in Russia. Their coach adopted a little boy from there last year and he was going back to help fix up the building that they live in. This idea to give the money to them came from the little boys on this team (8 and 9 year olds)now I don't know what you people think but I think that takes a lot of class for those kids to do that. Good competition is healthy for children it teaches them how to deal with everyday life. You are judged in everything you do and have to prove yourself to a wide variety of people on a daily basis. If you try to shelter your children from this then they are the ones who have a hard time coping with everyday life because god knows it can be rough and if your not prepared to handle this then you will struggle. My kids are very much just normal kids who run, play, ride bikes, swim,play with their dog and cat and just have fun with life. If this world had more parents who took the time to really focus on their kids it would be a much better place! And Yes, me and my husband both work full-time jobs(middle class) and still find the time to make our children the main focus in what we do. Is that not the reason you had them in the first place? Again, you get out of something what you put into it (life, school, pageants, sports, etc., the list can go on and on).
Posted by: torielay
Posted on: 2004-11-21 00:34:53
Just to answer your reply to my comments.My daughter does dance because she loves it and she doesn't wear make up at the recital because she doesn't need to, the lighting is not harsh bright stage lights, I was making a statement that the other little girls want to put the make up and the parents do it. My son plays travel hockey because he loves it and he came to us and asked to play, also there are different levels in hockey (house, travel, AAA,etc.) he plays travel because of his skill level, what's the sense on playing something at a level that you just skate circles around the other members. Yes, I have three children and they are all involved in sporting activities and they each love what they do. I am always told that I have the most polite and well rounded children that they have met. Plus just a note, all three of them are all 4.0 students and are involved in student council and numerous things for school also. Two of them were named Great Lake Scholars (third one not old enough yet)last year. Also, when my daughter holds a title to a pageant system I always have her represent that title by doing charity work. The one year she rang for the salvation army, adopted a family for christmas and got donations from people and companies to purchase them gifts and food, she has done things for the american kidney foundation and I could go on and on. Also, my sons travel hockey team just took money that they earned for scoring goals, shut outs,hat tricks,etc.(you have to know hockey to know these things)and donated it to an orphange in Russia. Their coach adopted a little boy from there last year and he was going back to help fix up the building that they live in. This idea to give the money to them came from the little boys on this team (8 and 9 year olds)now I don't know what you people think but I think that takes a lot of class for those kids to do that. Good competition is healthy for children it teaches them how to deal with everyday life. You are judged in everything you do and have to prove yourself to a wide variety of people on a daily basis. If you try to shelter your children from this then they are the ones who have a hard time coping with everyday life because god knows it can be rough and if your not prepared to handle this then you will struggle. My kids are very much just normal kids who run, play, ride bikes, swim,play with their dog and cat and just have fun with life. If this world had more parents who took the time to really focus on their kids it would be a much better place! And Yes, me and my husband both work full-time jobs(middle class) and still find the time to make our children the main focus in what we do. Is that not the reason you had them in the first place? Again, you get out of something what you put into it (life, school, pageants, sports, etc., the list can go on and on).
Commendation!
Posted by: positive00
Posted on: 2004-11-21 09:13:41
WTG to your kids and to you as a wonderful parent! I think every child in this day and age needs to be challenged. If they are idle, they will find things to do and not all of the things that they CAN do will be positive!
Keep up the good work! Keep challenging them and keep supporting them in the things that they want to do!
Posted by: positive00
Posted on: 2004-11-21 09:13:41
WTG to your kids and to you as a wonderful parent! I think every child in this day and age needs to be challenged. If they are idle, they will find things to do and not all of the things that they CAN do will be positive!
Keep up the good work! Keep challenging them and keep supporting them in the things that they want to do!
Posted by: kmaqueen
Posted on: 2004-11-23 09:24:10
she's got you brainwashed too! Not good parenting at all, I'd call it child abuse before parenting.
Urgh
Posted by: gbaby2504
Posted on: 2004-11-29 17:37:58
I agree! There is a line between challenging your child and abusing your child. Challenging them is putting them on a soccer team, letting them be in the church or school choir, signing them up for individual music lessons, not pushing them every week onto the stage or into some life that most adults don't have the strenght for. I think the parents get into it as a fun activity for mom and daughter but then the mom wants it more and more and more until the poor child suffers. Then the mom is so obsessed they can't stop!
Posted by: gbaby2504
Posted on: 2004-11-29 17:37:58
I agree! There is a line between challenging your child and abusing your child. Challenging them is putting them on a soccer team, letting them be in the church or school choir, signing them up for individual music lessons, not pushing them every week onto the stage or into some life that most adults don't have the strenght for. I think the parents get into it as a fun activity for mom and daughter but then the mom wants it more and more and more until the poor child suffers. Then the mom is so obsessed they can't stop!
well heres somethin to think about
Posted by: casmom1
Posted on: 2004-11-30 02:00:42
my daughter is homeschooled and autistic and she LIKES beauty pageants she doesnt always win and to her thats ok she gets trophies anyway it has been an incredibly positive experience for her in all respects and she always comes away with the attitude that she has done her very best, the makeup if thats your concern is to her just fun and mind you i am a hippie with dredlocks, pageants are definitly not my thing, and a soccer team would freak my daughter out beyond measure (we tried that) she at the most goes to one pageant a month and her sport is figure skating she loves that as well mabye some kids are just cut out for such things and who are you to judge wich ones are?
Posted by: casmom1
Posted on: 2004-11-30 02:00:42
my daughter is homeschooled and autistic and she LIKES beauty pageants she doesnt always win and to her thats ok she gets trophies anyway it has been an incredibly positive experience for her in all respects and she always comes away with the attitude that she has done her very best, the makeup if thats your concern is to her just fun and mind you i am a hippie with dredlocks, pageants are definitly not my thing, and a soccer team would freak my daughter out beyond measure (we tried that) she at the most goes to one pageant a month and her sport is figure skating she loves that as well mabye some kids are just cut out for such things and who are you to judge wich ones are?
Good Point
Posted by: gbaby2504
Posted on: 2004-11-30 14:06:15
You do have a very good point. I guess I wasn't clear...I was talking about parents that push & push & push their children, just like the one lady on the show that drives 16 hours a day for her child to have one 3 minute audition. Her marriage is on the rocks, they are broke but she continues to push her daughter into showbusiness and claims it is all up to her daughter. I wasn't referring to all pageants, I was referring to the extreme that many parents take it to. That's wonderful that your daughter enjoys her pageants and it is wonderful that you found something she can be comfortable doing. I am glad that you have her involved in something even though it is not your thing and that you don't push her so hard that she gets frusterated and dislikes it.
Posted by: gbaby2504
Posted on: 2004-11-30 14:06:15
You do have a very good point. I guess I wasn't clear...I was talking about parents that push & push & push their children, just like the one lady on the show that drives 16 hours a day for her child to have one 3 minute audition. Her marriage is on the rocks, they are broke but she continues to push her daughter into showbusiness and claims it is all up to her daughter. I wasn't referring to all pageants, I was referring to the extreme that many parents take it to. That's wonderful that your daughter enjoys her pageants and it is wonderful that you found something she can be comfortable doing. I am glad that you have her involved in something even though it is not your thing and that you don't push her so hard that she gets frusterated and dislikes it.
pressure
Posted by: cecelynn
Posted on: 2005-04-10 17:48:57
Yes, children need to be in activities.However, the parent needs to assess if that activity is too demanding or puts too much pressure on the child.
Posted by: cecelynn
Posted on: 2005-04-10 17:48:57
Yes, children need to be in activities.However, the parent needs to assess if that activity is too demanding or puts too much pressure on the child.
Are you Kidding Me?
Posted by: sdtina
Posted on: 2005-04-13 20:04:01
Oh PUHLEEEEEEEEZZZZE! My children (boy-8, girl-5) ARE challenged - by school, by friends, by everyday life experiences - team sports, play dates, etc. I don't need to doll them up and parade them around the neighborhood to feel a sense of self worth. A child's self-esteem comes from watching his/her parents' in social situations and gleening knowldge from that - not from some silly contest that has to do with materialistic bravado and insecure parents. I bet all those mom's work outside the home to keep up with their "habit". Stay home with your children, raise them to make intelligent choices, to learn from their mistakes, and to be respectful of others....the rest will follow - I see it everyday in my children.
Posted by: sdtina
Posted on: 2005-04-13 20:04:01
Oh PUHLEEEEEEEEZZZZE! My children (boy-8, girl-5) ARE challenged - by school, by friends, by everyday life experiences - team sports, play dates, etc. I don't need to doll them up and parade them around the neighborhood to feel a sense of self worth. A child's self-esteem comes from watching his/her parents' in social situations and gleening knowldge from that - not from some silly contest that has to do with materialistic bravado and insecure parents. I bet all those mom's work outside the home to keep up with their "habit". Stay home with your children, raise them to make intelligent choices, to learn from their mistakes, and to be respectful of others....the rest will follow - I see it everyday in my children.
To torielay about pageants, etc.
Posted by: jayspin
Posted on: 2004-11-22 14:54:36
Do you know what is probably more sinful than the pageants? It is the blatant bragging...tell what 'charitable' things your child does after she wins or whatever. Many millions of people do good things for others in the name of our Lord God. Beauty pageants aren't what make children good speakers, or good students, or good athletes, or whatever they excel in. By living the way that your letter describes, it sounds to me as if you have started worhipping 'idolatry', instead of our Creator. What is that teaching your children? Please explore what I have said. Please ask yourself what you really value, and who is getting the credit for the good things that you have in life. jayspin
Posted by: jayspin
Posted on: 2004-11-22 14:54:36
Do you know what is probably more sinful than the pageants? It is the blatant bragging...tell what 'charitable' things your child does after she wins or whatever. Many millions of people do good things for others in the name of our Lord God. Beauty pageants aren't what make children good speakers, or good students, or good athletes, or whatever they excel in. By living the way that your letter describes, it sounds to me as if you have started worhipping 'idolatry', instead of our Creator. What is that teaching your children? Please explore what I have said. Please ask yourself what you really value, and who is getting the credit for the good things that you have in life. jayspin
Well Said
Posted by: sam_sam_
Posted on: 2004-11-22 19:16:02
It's nice to see that someone else beleives in God's view on all of these things and not just man's view. I agree with what you say,it was well said.
Posted by: sam_sam_
Posted on: 2004-11-22 19:16:02
It's nice to see that someone else beleives in God's view on all of these things and not just man's view. I agree with what you say,it was well said.
good job jayspin
Posted by: kmaqueen
Posted on: 2004-11-23 09:24:10
youv'e planted your feet firmly on the ground! keep up the great work!
Posted by: kmaqueen
Posted on: 2004-11-23 09:24:10
youv'e planted your feet firmly on the ground! keep up the great work!
Message to jayspin
Posted by: sadieshell
Posted on: 2004-11-29 11:19:03
I don't think torielay was bragging, she did not talk about what her children did until she responded to another poster.
I think it is great that she introduces her children to charitible functions and community service.
I think you are wrong to say she does not do things in the name of the Lord, because you don't know what her spiritual beliefs are.
Plenty of Christian children participate in pageants, not these sex shows which many of them are now (well you will probably find some Christian children in those as well because we can all fall short at times). However, it is the foundation of the home life that has more bearing than anything else. Pageants, sports, hobbies, are fine when kept in proper perspective.
Pageants, when kept appropriate are fun for little girls. I happen to have been in pageants in my early 20's and I don't regret it at all. I got the opportunity to travel my state, meet other young women from around my state and it helped me to come out of my shell. It can be very helpful in developing self worth, when appropriately handling. The downfall in my life came from my home life in general, which took a toll on me in my adult life. My pageant days are wonderful memories.
You are way too judgemental for someone who is a Christian.
Posted by: sadieshell
Posted on: 2004-11-29 11:19:03
I don't think torielay was bragging, she did not talk about what her children did until she responded to another poster.
I think it is great that she introduces her children to charitible functions and community service.
I think you are wrong to say she does not do things in the name of the Lord, because you don't know what her spiritual beliefs are.
Plenty of Christian children participate in pageants, not these sex shows which many of them are now (well you will probably find some Christian children in those as well because we can all fall short at times). However, it is the foundation of the home life that has more bearing than anything else. Pageants, sports, hobbies, are fine when kept in proper perspective.
Pageants, when kept appropriate are fun for little girls. I happen to have been in pageants in my early 20's and I don't regret it at all. I got the opportunity to travel my state, meet other young women from around my state and it helped me to come out of my shell. It can be very helpful in developing self worth, when appropriately handling. The downfall in my life came from my home life in general, which took a toll on me in my adult life. My pageant days are wonderful memories.
You are way too judgemental for someone who is a Christian.
Blatant Bragging
Posted by: pmanne
Posted on: 2005-04-10 14:38:21
Thank you Jayspin! You're right; it's the bragging, often long-winded, that makes stage mothers intolerable. For twenty years I've had to sit still and watch my nieces perform song and dance routines at family get-togethers while my own learning disabled daughter and I sat in silence. Long ago my sister-in-law laughingly informed me that her daughter would be a cheerleader and mine would be the class clown. Her prophecy did not come true. My nieces are terrific girls; but neither of them became a cheerleader, valadictorian, student counsel president or merit scholar.
Our admiration should go to those who struggle each day to overcome adversity and strive to acheive their personal best. To foster a caring community in this world we need to focus on helping each other rather than competing with each other.
Posted by: pmanne
Posted on: 2005-04-10 14:38:21
Thank you Jayspin! You're right; it's the bragging, often long-winded, that makes stage mothers intolerable. For twenty years I've had to sit still and watch my nieces perform song and dance routines at family get-togethers while my own learning disabled daughter and I sat in silence. Long ago my sister-in-law laughingly informed me that her daughter would be a cheerleader and mine would be the class clown. Her prophecy did not come true. My nieces are terrific girls; but neither of them became a cheerleader, valadictorian, student counsel president or merit scholar.
Our admiration should go to those who struggle each day to overcome adversity and strive to acheive their personal best. To foster a caring community in this world we need to focus on helping each other rather than competing with each other.
don't justify
Posted by: dying4love
Posted on: 2004-11-22 19:04:01
It sounds like you are just keeping up with the Jones. I hope your kids don't hate you when they get older.
Posted by: dying4love
Posted on: 2004-11-22 19:04:01
It sounds like you are just keeping up with the Jones. I hope your kids don't hate you when they get older.
Posted by: bbastienne
Posted on: 2004-11-29 13:29:09
i can't even think about the fact that people are using their own children for making their dream come true. I absolutely believe that this is a kind of child abuse. I live in the Netherlands and we don't have all those child-workers around here. because thats what it is. why don't we let children be what they want to be? i don't need to win a beautycontest to know that my son is wonderful. he knows that i and his father love him and that's all he needs.
greetz,
bastienne
Reply to Torielay and Todays Show
Posted by: sam_sam_
Posted on: 2004-11-22 19:15:46
It upsets me what i saw on that show too. I think that it is fine until you take it too far. I disagreed with this part of your message-... "I was making a statement that the other little girls want to put the make up and the parents do it." I totally disagree on that. Like Dr.Phil said, "since when do the children make the decisions." When saying," The other little girls want to put the make up and the parents do it." You're saying that since the other little girls do it then your little girl should do it. What does that teach your child then, To base her life on what other people say! That shouldn't be one of the concerns at all!
Now Based on Todays Show....
I've never talked on this message post b4, but to see the show today made me feel sick. When i saw that little girls picture up there i first thought i saw a barbie.The mother said that her little girl enjoys it? Well has she tried something else? What she started at like 2yrs old? That's all she knows is to do beauty pageants! Of course she'll say she likes it. She doesnt know what else to like. Children dont have the same type of knowledge as older and more experienced people do. They shouldn't be allowed to take control of the parents and get what they want all the time. If they say, "I want to go into modeling" and it's going to be lots of money that you cant afford, you shouldnt put your marriage ahead of it. If you give your children everything they want then they will turn out to be spoiled bratz and take control of the parents. Of some of Dr.Phils shows that i have seen, some kids already have taken control. You have to teach your child that they can't have everything in life, sure you want to give the best for your child. But giving them everything they want is not helping them. By giving them everything when theyre a child, they will expect the same from you when they are older too. This results in more money coming from you. How do you expect a child to learn to have so much at one point and then go backwards and get less. It will cause more confusion in your childs life. It is not the childs fault, The parents taught them to do these things on the show. It seems to me that some of the parents on the show seemed like they were trying to live their dream through their own children. You have to let your child become their own idividual. I hope that the parents that have been doing this will take my message to concern.
Posted by: sam_sam_
Posted on: 2004-11-22 19:15:46
It upsets me what i saw on that show too. I think that it is fine until you take it too far. I disagreed with this part of your message-... "I was making a statement that the other little girls want to put the make up and the parents do it." I totally disagree on that. Like Dr.Phil said, "since when do the children make the decisions." When saying," The other little girls want to put the make up and the parents do it." You're saying that since the other little girls do it then your little girl should do it. What does that teach your child then, To base her life on what other people say! That shouldn't be one of the concerns at all!
Now Based on Todays Show....
I've never talked on this message post b4, but to see the show today made me feel sick. When i saw that little girls picture up there i first thought i saw a barbie.The mother said that her little girl enjoys it? Well has she tried something else? What she started at like 2yrs old? That's all she knows is to do beauty pageants! Of course she'll say she likes it. She doesnt know what else to like. Children dont have the same type of knowledge as older and more experienced people do. They shouldn't be allowed to take control of the parents and get what they want all the time. If they say, "I want to go into modeling" and it's going to be lots of money that you cant afford, you shouldnt put your marriage ahead of it. If you give your children everything they want then they will turn out to be spoiled bratz and take control of the parents. Of some of Dr.Phils shows that i have seen, some kids already have taken control. You have to teach your child that they can't have everything in life, sure you want to give the best for your child. But giving them everything they want is not helping them. By giving them everything when theyre a child, they will expect the same from you when they are older too. This results in more money coming from you. How do you expect a child to learn to have so much at one point and then go backwards and get less. It will cause more confusion in your childs life. It is not the childs fault, The parents taught them to do these things on the show. It seems to me that some of the parents on the show seemed like they were trying to live their dream through their own children. You have to let your child become their own idividual. I hope that the parents that have been doing this will take my message to concern.
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Posted by: jusdre
Posted on: 2004-11-22 21:16:51
I agree with you totally, that little girl didn't look like a little girl, she looked like she should be on a shelf in the toy department. There is a huge difference between putting on make up so you aren't washed out by the lights and looking like that. Don't get me wrong, Reagan is a cutie but come on. Does regans mother know that her baby teeht are going to fall out anyway? Braces for a 2 year old is insane and i'd hate to meet the money hungry dentist who agreed to put them on. My daughter was offered a modeling contract when she was about 5. I never gave her a choice on doing it or not. Kids need to be kids and if my daughter decides when she is old enough she would like to try modeling that is her perogative but right now it is my job to make sure that she has the experience of just being a worry free child and gets a good educationand the right guidence to grrowing up happy and healthy.
Posted by: jusdre
Posted on: 2004-11-22 21:16:51
I agree with you totally, that little girl didn't look like a little girl, she looked like she should be on a shelf in the toy department. There is a huge difference between putting on make up so you aren't washed out by the lights and looking like that. Don't get me wrong, Reagan is a cutie but come on. Does regans mother know that her baby teeht are going to fall out anyway? Braces for a 2 year old is insane and i'd hate to meet the money hungry dentist who agreed to put them on. My daughter was offered a modeling contract when she was about 5. I never gave her a choice on doing it or not. Kids need to be kids and if my daughter decides when she is old enough she would like to try modeling that is her perogative but right now it is my job to make sure that she has the experience of just being a worry free child and gets a good educationand the right guidence to grrowing up happy and healthy.
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Posted by: lesmarrs
Posted on: 2004-11-26 11:20:37
Bonnie said her DAUGHTER asked for the braces at 18 months. Thats BS. At that age they are just beginning to start putting sentences together and don't even know what braces are. Its all about the mom and getting exposure for her daughter. That was clear when she said she wanted her picture on the big screen. My daughter didn't start pageants until she was 12 and it was her
choice. We do the stage make up and have the pictures and she has won many pageants at all levels but she knows what she is doing but Regan does as she is told. She does what any child would do -- what mommy tells her to do. I'll never forget one pageant we went to and the girls had an on stage question, the little girl was about 5 or 6 and the emcee asked her "what she liked about doing pageants". Kids are so honest and she was. Her reply was "my mommy makes me do them". I didn't know this child or her mother but everyone quickly knew whos child she was b/c mommy was trying to crawl under her chair ! Parents listen to your children. Let them make some of their decision and let them be kids b/c they don't stay little forever.
Posted by: lesmarrs
Posted on: 2004-11-26 11:20:37
Bonnie said her DAUGHTER asked for the braces at 18 months. Thats BS. At that age they are just beginning to start putting sentences together and don't even know what braces are. Its all about the mom and getting exposure for her daughter. That was clear when she said she wanted her picture on the big screen. My daughter didn't start pageants until she was 12 and it was her
choice. We do the stage make up and have the pictures and she has won many pageants at all levels but she knows what she is doing but Regan does as she is told. She does what any child would do -- what mommy tells her to do. I'll never forget one pageant we went to and the girls had an on stage question, the little girl was about 5 or 6 and the emcee asked her "what she liked about doing pageants". Kids are so honest and she was. Her reply was "my mommy makes me do them". I didn't know this child or her mother but everyone quickly knew whos child she was b/c mommy was trying to crawl under her chair ! Parents listen to your children. Let them make some of their decision and let them be kids b/c they don't stay little forever.
