03/23 'Help Me Get My Kids Back!' Follow-up
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Posted by: kcleslie
Posted on: 2005-03-24 00:23:32
...is to explore more of the reasons WHY Lisa would want to hide the information. Not only is she afraid of going to jail, but I wonder if it could be also that the missing children's father has threatened her life in some way. Perhaps he told her (didn't he used to be involved in selling drugs?) that he has "friends" who could harm her or her family if she tells? I think Dr. Phil and the authorities should investigate that possibility. I don't think it's just a case of her being afraid of her husband finding out she's had a relationship with this man. It seems to be something more serious to me, to allow her to remain silent for this long.
Thoughts and prayers are with Tina and the children, whereever they are, that they can be reunited soon.
Posted by: kcleslie
Posted on: 2005-03-24 00:23:32
...is to explore more of the reasons WHY Lisa would want to hide the information. Not only is she afraid of going to jail, but I wonder if it could be also that the missing children's father has threatened her life in some way. Perhaps he told her (didn't he used to be involved in selling drugs?) that he has "friends" who could harm her or her family if she tells? I think Dr. Phil and the authorities should investigate that possibility. I don't think it's just a case of her being afraid of her husband finding out she's had a relationship with this man. It seems to be something more serious to me, to allow her to remain silent for this long.
Thoughts and prayers are with Tina and the children, whereever they are, that they can be reunited soon.
Lisa
Posted by: chakakansc
Posted on: 2005-05-08 11:36:21
Don't give her so much credit. She is obviously jealous of Tina and hates her. She is sick. I don't think someone needs to threaten her to behave like this. She is pathological, and unfortunately these people exist all around us. I know, I've encountered one five years ago. You can't believe it because you and I wouldn't do something like this.
Posted by: chakakansc
Posted on: 2005-05-08 11:36:21
Don't give her so much credit. She is obviously jealous of Tina and hates her. She is sick. I don't think someone needs to threaten her to behave like this. She is pathological, and unfortunately these people exist all around us. I know, I've encountered one five years ago. You can't believe it because you and I wouldn't do something like this.
Posted by: itsmenancy
Posted on: 2005-03-23 19:16:14
I'm just not getting why they are handling Lisa with kid gloves. Why was Dr. Phil so careful? Almost like the more nuts they are, the more he holds back - when those are the ones who could use a few good words. ...I may be a nut though... I was yelling all the questions that have been on my mind from the 1st show. "How would you feel if they took your kids? Would you like to play hide & go seek w/ your daughter?"
Really you are right - but I think putting her in a jail cell right next to him now, may be better then later. Wonder how long it would take for her to change her mind & want to talk.
TINA IS NOT BAD!
Posted by: nellyandje
Posted on: 2005-03-23 19:49:38
To everyone treating Tina like crap, you guys are uncareing jerks. How can you accuse someone like that? The way Dr.Phil snapped on her was wrong and she didnt do anything wrong. When everyone is attacking you it is a natural reaction to close up. If Dr.Phil and everyone really wants Tinas help maybe they should treat her with respect. You should remember you catch more bees with honey then with vinegar.
Posted by: nellyandje
Posted on: 2005-03-23 19:49:38
To everyone treating Tina like crap, you guys are uncareing jerks. How can you accuse someone like that? The way Dr.Phil snapped on her was wrong and she didnt do anything wrong. When everyone is attacking you it is a natural reaction to close up. If Dr.Phil and everyone really wants Tinas help maybe they should treat her with respect. You should remember you catch more bees with honey then with vinegar.
You mean Lisa
Posted by: mares63
Posted on: 2005-03-23 19:55:10
I think you mean Lisa and the phrase is "you catch more flies with honey than vinegar." Lisa is defensive for a reason - she's covering up the truth.
Posted by: mares63
Posted on: 2005-03-23 19:55:10
I think you mean Lisa and the phrase is "you catch more flies with honey than vinegar." Lisa is defensive for a reason - she's covering up the truth.
U UNDERSTOOD ME!
Posted by: nellyandje
Posted on: 2005-03-23 20:16:10
NO matter what i said wrong, you obviosly still understood me and by doing what Dr.Phil is doing they are not going to get as much information as they possibly can. And that is just a FACT!
Posted by: nellyandje
Posted on: 2005-03-23 20:16:10
NO matter what i said wrong, you obviosly still understood me and by doing what Dr.Phil is doing they are not going to get as much information as they possibly can. And that is just a FACT!
Humanity
Posted by: cocasmiles
Posted on: 2005-03-24 00:13:04
Nelly... When it comes to children missing or worse it is a very scary feeling. When this woman talks to Dan because they are the best of friends and he confined in her and she knows where these children are and she isn't saying anything that is a crime on her part and also this person does not care what this mother is going thru worring and wondering what or where or kids are. From watching this show I can see this person's nervousness and the look in her eyes tells it all... She is quilty and she knows where the children are... She is a mother to and if this happened to her she would fill the same way as this mother is.. So how can someone say not to judge her or down her when the polygraph and her own actions tell it all... She knows more then what she saying and in the end justice will prevail.... and she will get what is coming to her in the end... And I hope to God that the children are returned safely to there mother where they belong...
Posted by: cocasmiles
Posted on: 2005-03-24 00:13:04
Nelly... When it comes to children missing or worse it is a very scary feeling. When this woman talks to Dan because they are the best of friends and he confined in her and she knows where these children are and she isn't saying anything that is a crime on her part and also this person does not care what this mother is going thru worring and wondering what or where or kids are. From watching this show I can see this person's nervousness and the look in her eyes tells it all... She is quilty and she knows where the children are... She is a mother to and if this happened to her she would fill the same way as this mother is.. So how can someone say not to judge her or down her when the polygraph and her own actions tell it all... She knows more then what she saying and in the end justice will prevail.... and she will get what is coming to her in the end... And I hope to God that the children are returned safely to there mother where they belong...
Posted by: lenaza
Posted on: 2005-03-24 01:35:27
Maybe you're not a mother... I think jail is too good for Lisa...I think she should be turned over to a group of real mothers...maybe she would start telling the truth. I do not understand how anyone could defend someone as utterly deceitful as Lisa. Tina needs to be commended...if it were me on that stage today I'm sure I could not have controlled my anger with this lying
woman. Her lies have been blatant from the beginning
To nellyandje
Posted by: ekendall
Posted on: 2005-03-24 08:47:22
I agree with you and I supported one other directly with my comments under my title of ekendall. That was "caudlmk" 79. I cannot find my initial comments, in which I took a strong stand for Lisa being so put on the defensive. I believe she is doing all she can, and that the polygraph in this case is wrong. I am a huge fan of Dr. Phil but here, I don't like the way the program went. He mellowed a bit toward the end of the show. I don't think the police should be there, but could use the information later.
Posted by: ekendall
Posted on: 2005-03-24 08:47:22
I agree with you and I supported one other directly with my comments under my title of ekendall. That was "caudlmk" 79. I cannot find my initial comments, in which I took a strong stand for Lisa being so put on the defensive. I believe she is doing all she can, and that the polygraph in this case is wrong. I am a huge fan of Dr. Phil but here, I don't like the way the program went. He mellowed a bit toward the end of the show. I don't think the police should be there, but could use the information later.
She's doing everything she can
Posted by: ronina
Posted on: 2005-03-24 10:50:31
I don't know what everybody's raving about. Like you said, Lisa is doing everything she can to help. When I first saw her she did not come off as a lying person or someone who had something to hide, and she still doesn't appear that way. I can understand why Tina would be frantic and angry, but she is putting her anger in the wrong places. Lisa has got nothing to hide! Tina just wants to believe that somebody can just give her all the answers and solve all her problems in a heartbeat. In my opinion, a polygraph test doesn't prove anything in this case, the fact that it merely indicated deception proves nothing, it's not a mind reader, it probably just indicated deception because she was nervous or upset like Dr. Phil suggested. Tina has a right to be frustrated and angry but she doesn't have a right to go taking her anger out on Lisa who is simply defending herself from Tina's poor judgment.I know I'm going to get greif for saying this but Tina needs to stop lashing out and pointing fingers and start thinking rationally.
Posted by: ronina
Posted on: 2005-03-24 10:50:31
I don't know what everybody's raving about. Like you said, Lisa is doing everything she can to help. When I first saw her she did not come off as a lying person or someone who had something to hide, and she still doesn't appear that way. I can understand why Tina would be frantic and angry, but she is putting her anger in the wrong places. Lisa has got nothing to hide! Tina just wants to believe that somebody can just give her all the answers and solve all her problems in a heartbeat. In my opinion, a polygraph test doesn't prove anything in this case, the fact that it merely indicated deception proves nothing, it's not a mind reader, it probably just indicated deception because she was nervous or upset like Dr. Phil suggested. Tina has a right to be frustrated and angry but she doesn't have a right to go taking her anger out on Lisa who is simply defending herself from Tina's poor judgment.I know I'm going to get greif for saying this but Tina needs to stop lashing out and pointing fingers and start thinking rationally.
Ronina
Posted by: ksdlg1
Posted on: 2005-03-24 12:42:38
What show were you watching?!! How can you honestly sit there and say that Lisa is doing everything she can to help? Are you a friend of Lisa's perhaps, or Lisa herself? Maybe even her daughter?
Look, Lisa was not forthcoming with the information and only gave up information when directly asked specific questions. Her whole body language and tone of voice showed that she wasn't going to "give up" anything unless it was specifically asked....don't ask, don't tell. Very pertenant info came out only under the direct questioning of Dr. Phil and then from the prosecutor later. She failed the lie detector, for heaven's sake. There is an area on that test that classifies as a grey area or "non conclusive", but she couldn't even fall into that area. Dr. Phil was being politically correct. Being nervous or upset does not cause the lie detector to place a person into the "deception" area. Whether you know something, very little, or nothing at all, I don't care who's "friend" you are, it is your job and duty to come forward, not wait to be asked the "right" questions, or sit there and whine about how "you" are being victimized. Two precious children's lives and well-beings are at stake!
In my opinion, Lisa should be held as an accomplice after the fact. She even stated that Dan had called her and said that he was taking the kids. The mere fact that she didn't call Tina right away and/or the authorities makes her an accomplice, that and the fact that she is withholding info until specifically asked. She's playing a dangerous game and don't think that the authorities won't be looking extra closely at what she's now doing.
As for Tina's behavior, well I think that Tina showed great restraint. If it had been me, they would have had to pull me off of Lisa and haul me away and that is putting it nicely. And, according to the information that has just come out, Tina's suspicions have been well placed.
Posted by: ksdlg1
Posted on: 2005-03-24 12:42:38
What show were you watching?!! How can you honestly sit there and say that Lisa is doing everything she can to help? Are you a friend of Lisa's perhaps, or Lisa herself? Maybe even her daughter?
Look, Lisa was not forthcoming with the information and only gave up information when directly asked specific questions. Her whole body language and tone of voice showed that she wasn't going to "give up" anything unless it was specifically asked....don't ask, don't tell. Very pertenant info came out only under the direct questioning of Dr. Phil and then from the prosecutor later. She failed the lie detector, for heaven's sake. There is an area on that test that classifies as a grey area or "non conclusive", but she couldn't even fall into that area. Dr. Phil was being politically correct. Being nervous or upset does not cause the lie detector to place a person into the "deception" area. Whether you know something, very little, or nothing at all, I don't care who's "friend" you are, it is your job and duty to come forward, not wait to be asked the "right" questions, or sit there and whine about how "you" are being victimized. Two precious children's lives and well-beings are at stake!
In my opinion, Lisa should be held as an accomplice after the fact. She even stated that Dan had called her and said that he was taking the kids. The mere fact that she didn't call Tina right away and/or the authorities makes her an accomplice, that and the fact that she is withholding info until specifically asked. She's playing a dangerous game and don't think that the authorities won't be looking extra closely at what she's now doing.
As for Tina's behavior, well I think that Tina showed great restraint. If it had been me, they would have had to pull me off of Lisa and haul me away and that is putting it nicely. And, according to the information that has just come out, Tina's suspicions have been well placed.
If you want to know
Posted by: ronina
Posted on: 2005-03-24 18:34:41
To answer your question, if you really want to know, no, I am not related to Lisa and do not know her personally in any way.
Posted by: ronina
Posted on: 2005-03-24 18:34:41
To answer your question, if you really want to know, no, I am not related to Lisa and do not know her personally in any way.
And another thing...
Posted by: ronina
Posted on: 2005-03-25 10:44:28
Since you seem to know so much about polygraph tests, you must also know I am not questioning the validity of the results simply because Dr. Phil did. It happens frequently in criminal investigations, both the guilty and the innocent will pass and fail lie detector tests and later hard, physical, conclusive evidence is found contridicting the results. You are entitled to your own opinion, but I stand by what I said before, the results of the polygraph test do NOT prove that Lisa was involved in the kidnapping or that she is covering up for Dan.
Posted by: ronina
Posted on: 2005-03-25 10:44:28
Since you seem to know so much about polygraph tests, you must also know I am not questioning the validity of the results simply because Dr. Phil did. It happens frequently in criminal investigations, both the guilty and the innocent will pass and fail lie detector tests and later hard, physical, conclusive evidence is found contridicting the results. You are entitled to your own opinion, but I stand by what I said before, the results of the polygraph test do NOT prove that Lisa was involved in the kidnapping or that she is covering up for Dan.
no?
Posted by: kusanagi
Posted on: 2005-04-30 21:27:31
But her reaction that the polygraph showed clear deception on her part DOES indicate that it was right on. The polygrapher who conducted this interview is no lightweight. The woman didn't want her husband to find out how deeply involved she was with the childthief. The whold first show she had the demeanor of a mistress and her posture indicated that she knew a lot more than she was giving up.
Posted by: kusanagi
Posted on: 2005-04-30 21:27:31
But her reaction that the polygraph showed clear deception on her part DOES indicate that it was right on. The polygrapher who conducted this interview is no lightweight. The woman didn't want her husband to find out how deeply involved she was with the childthief. The whold first show she had the demeanor of a mistress and her posture indicated that she knew a lot more than she was giving up.
New News?
Posted by: 11sad11
Posted on: 2005-05-01 07:34:14
My husband said there was something new regarding the missing children on the news tonight (we live in Kansas, & have been watching the case from the beginning) while I was at work, but missed the story... does anyone here know if there's any new breaks in the story?
Posted by: 11sad11
Posted on: 2005-05-01 07:34:14
My husband said there was something new regarding the missing children on the news tonight (we live in Kansas, & have been watching the case from the beginning) while I was at work, but missed the story... does anyone here know if there's any new breaks in the story?
Please!
Posted by: shrimpsey
Posted on: 2005-04-30 15:17:35
If Lisa has nothing to hide, then why has it taken coming to the Dr.Phil show, and pressure to get her to give out the information she has. If she truly had nothing to hide, she would have come forward long ago, and when she did, tell everything, not a little hear and there. I think she knows exactly where those kids are, and is just afraid of consequence. Also, how selfish of a person is she to try and turn things around and make it about her and her feelings. The children are most important, and Lisa needs to step up and end this. Furthermore, I commend Tina on her incredible restraint with Lisa, because if it was me and my son, I would not be so kind. I truly hope Karma comes back and bites Lisa in the but LARGE!
Posted by: shrimpsey
Posted on: 2005-04-30 15:17:35
If Lisa has nothing to hide, then why has it taken coming to the Dr.Phil show, and pressure to get her to give out the information she has. If she truly had nothing to hide, she would have come forward long ago, and when she did, tell everything, not a little hear and there. I think she knows exactly where those kids are, and is just afraid of consequence. Also, how selfish of a person is she to try and turn things around and make it about her and her feelings. The children are most important, and Lisa needs to step up and end this. Furthermore, I commend Tina on her incredible restraint with Lisa, because if it was me and my son, I would not be so kind. I truly hope Karma comes back and bites Lisa in the but LARGE!
U UNDERSTOOD ME!
Posted by: sm2b22
Posted on: 2005-03-24 21:44:09
But they are getting information out of her that she was not giving before Dr Phil came into the picture..Anyone that takes up for that woman is no better of a person than she is..Did it ever occur to you that maybe they have been nice to her and that didn't work so now they are having to resort to harsher more drastic measures..Lisa would save herself and everyone else alot of heartache if she would stop thinking about herself and start thinking about those kids..Even if her life was threatened in any way shape or form, if she were to cooperate with authorities,there's a thing called protective custody, and I'm sure they would be more than willing to place her and her family in it until this is all over with.
Posted by: sm2b22
Posted on: 2005-03-24 21:44:09
But they are getting information out of her that she was not giving before Dr Phil came into the picture..Anyone that takes up for that woman is no better of a person than she is..Did it ever occur to you that maybe they have been nice to her and that didn't work so now they are having to resort to harsher more drastic measures..Lisa would save herself and everyone else alot of heartache if she would stop thinking about herself and start thinking about those kids..Even if her life was threatened in any way shape or form, if she were to cooperate with authorities,there's a thing called protective custody, and I'm sure they would be more than willing to place her and her family in it until this is all over with.
Reply for Nellyandje
Posted by: olivertup
Posted on: 2005-03-23 21:59:42
What Dr. Phil is doing isn't hindering the investigation- it's getting it moving forward. By putting Lisa in the "hot seat", they've finally gotten answers to questions that up until now, were left un-answered. If it wasn't for Dr. Phil questioning her, she probably would have never come forward with all that was uncovered on the show. And yes, Lisa is doing something wrong. She is maintaining a friendship with someone who has violated his own children. She allows her own daughter to have phone conversations with this man. She is putting her entire family at risk for this friendship... which leads me to wonder- What is she getting out of this realtionship with Dan that makes it all worth it? mmmmmmm. And another thing, Lisa wasn't at any point treated disrespectfully by Dr. Phil or anyone. In fact, I could tell that they were being very "careful" with her, always giving her alternative reasons, almost an "out", to explain why she has withheld info. in this investigation. She has been petty in her reasons for doing so, displaying her lack of understanding of how serious this situation is. The truth will come out, sooner or later and believe me, Dr. Phil is going to seem like a teddy-bear compared to the "Detective Sipowicz" that will be questioning her. Another way to look at it is- what if that was you? What if it was your kids that were missing, and there was one person in contact with the known perpetrator.. and that one person withheld info as to their where-abouts and gave the excuse, "I'm a private person"... or, "Tina was rude to me"- Do you see what I mean by "petty". It's her duty as a citizen, a mother and a human being to come forward with anything she knows. She sure doesn't behave like a person with nothing to hide. Her evasiveness is disturbing, which leads me to believe exactly what that polygraph confirmed- she's involved. And one last thing- we all knew she was goign to question the accuracy & integrity of the test- but if the test had come out in her favor, she'd be using that very test as a way to exonorate herself from any and all guilt in this crime. She'd be giving that test her 100% stamp of approval.
Posted by: olivertup
Posted on: 2005-03-23 21:59:42
What Dr. Phil is doing isn't hindering the investigation- it's getting it moving forward. By putting Lisa in the "hot seat", they've finally gotten answers to questions that up until now, were left un-answered. If it wasn't for Dr. Phil questioning her, she probably would have never come forward with all that was uncovered on the show. And yes, Lisa is doing something wrong. She is maintaining a friendship with someone who has violated his own children. She allows her own daughter to have phone conversations with this man. She is putting her entire family at risk for this friendship... which leads me to wonder- What is she getting out of this realtionship with Dan that makes it all worth it? mmmmmmm. And another thing, Lisa wasn't at any point treated disrespectfully by Dr. Phil or anyone. In fact, I could tell that they were being very "careful" with her, always giving her alternative reasons, almost an "out", to explain why she has withheld info. in this investigation. She has been petty in her reasons for doing so, displaying her lack of understanding of how serious this situation is. The truth will come out, sooner or later and believe me, Dr. Phil is going to seem like a teddy-bear compared to the "Detective Sipowicz" that will be questioning her. Another way to look at it is- what if that was you? What if it was your kids that were missing, and there was one person in contact with the known perpetrator.. and that one person withheld info as to their where-abouts and gave the excuse, "I'm a private person"... or, "Tina was rude to me"- Do you see what I mean by "petty". It's her duty as a citizen, a mother and a human being to come forward with anything she knows. She sure doesn't behave like a person with nothing to hide. Her evasiveness is disturbing, which leads me to believe exactly what that polygraph confirmed- she's involved. And one last thing- we all knew she was goign to question the accuracy & integrity of the test- but if the test had come out in her favor, she'd be using that very test as a way to exonorate herself from any and all guilt in this crime. She'd be giving that test her 100% stamp of approval.
Posted by: jodycrn9
Posted on: 2005-03-23 22:30:14
Obviously you do not have kids. If you do, you are obviously cold hearted and not a good parent. How in the hell would you feel if your two beautiful babies were kidnapped and some lady knew information and was with holding it? You would be nice and make the witch feel comfortable? YOU AREN'T FOOLING ME NOR ANYONE ELSE. IF ANYONE IS A VITIM HERE IT IS THE 2 KIDS AND TINA. DUH.
TINA IS NOT BAD!
Posted by: sm2b22
Posted on: 2005-03-24 21:44:09
I'm assuming that you are refering to Lisa instead of Tina, the mother. Everyone knows Tina is not bad. Personally, Lisa deserves everything she's getting and more..People might not be so hard on her if she would realize that she is fooling no one with this 'Boo hoo! Woe is me!' attitude. I'm wondering if she has watched this herself and saw how transparent she is!! I mean, come on!! She contradicts herself with every comment she makes. If she weren't guilty and if she didn't really know anything, she would take the time she's using to defend herself and talk that man into confessing. Those of you who think that everyone is being too hard on Lisa are the one's who are uncaring. I don't have children, but it puts knots in my stomach and brings tears to my eyes to even think about something like that happening the children I haven't even had yet. So call me what you will, but Tina is alot better of a person than I am because Lisa would be laying in a hospital bed right now if I were Tina. It disgusts me to even think that anyone in their right mind and that has a heart would try and make excuses for someone as selfish and inconsiderate as Lisa is!!!
Posted by: sm2b22
Posted on: 2005-03-24 21:44:09
I'm assuming that you are refering to Lisa instead of Tina, the mother. Everyone knows Tina is not bad. Personally, Lisa deserves everything she's getting and more..People might not be so hard on her if she would realize that she is fooling no one with this 'Boo hoo! Woe is me!' attitude. I'm wondering if she has watched this herself and saw how transparent she is!! I mean, come on!! She contradicts herself with every comment she makes. If she weren't guilty and if she didn't really know anything, she would take the time she's using to defend herself and talk that man into confessing. Those of you who think that everyone is being too hard on Lisa are the one's who are uncaring. I don't have children, but it puts knots in my stomach and brings tears to my eyes to even think about something like that happening the children I haven't even had yet. So call me what you will, but Tina is alot better of a person than I am because Lisa would be laying in a hospital bed right now if I were Tina. It disgusts me to even think that anyone in their right mind and that has a heart would try and make excuses for someone as selfish and inconsiderate as Lisa is!!!
