05/30 Kids Ask Dr. Phil

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    IM 14.I GET IT.WHY CAN YOU?
    Posted by: smile4mi
    Posted on: 2005-05-28 11:25:09


    Dr.Phil,
    This guy shouldn't be asking his parents for money for doing his chours around the house.I know from my own personel experience that money doesn't always work.And another thing,you really need to ask yourself buddy,why should i ask for money if my parents already do so much for me?
    Im sure your parents work,buy you things,and give you money regardless of the work you do around the house.So why should you be asking for money when its already been given to you?This is coming from the heart of a 14yr. old girl.If i can relize it,I'm sure you can too!
    Just do some work around the house without pay first,and see what your parents think.They may decide to pay you,or they may not.All in all it is truly up to them.Once you get a house and a job, from what i have been told,you will eventually understand.
    Not fussing, just letting you know.
    Cant wait to see you on Dr.Phil (cause ur kida cute! lol)
    to here your messege.
    always watching,
    Sarah M.
    ~~~~~~~411~~~~~~~
      Color Me Impressed
      Posted by: vanka_dee
      Posted on: 2005-05-28 23:54:14


      WOW! I wish you could come and talk some sense into my sister! She's the same age as you but not nearly as mature.

      <3 Kristin
      Ashton's Family
      Posted by: donmon1
      Posted on: 2005-05-30 17:35:09


      Hi,
      We are Ashton's parents who appeared on the show today. We appreciate the teenagers who have replied regarding our story. The boys do understand they have more than so many others. We dont care how much we have...we dont believe we should just throw it to the wind. We want them to understand the process of earning the money first. We want them to understand what their responsibilities are. When they are on their own, we want them to be self sufficient, to have a good life. We obviously provide for them...they have no need that is not met. Our hope is to have them look outside themselves, to have a heart for helping others as well as providing for the needs of their family. Melissa was an inspiration to us...we had the pleasure of meeting her before the show. She deserves all the help and support that Dr. Phil provided her. We thank all on the Dr. Phil show for giving us the opportunity to be part of a sweet show. Much success to you Melissa at Berkley.
      Don & Carlynn
        Learning the Value of Money
        Posted by: judbie46
        Posted on: 2005-05-30 20:29:21


        It sounds as if you realize how important it is for your children to learn to use money wisely.
        While my parents were well-to-do compared to other families in my neighborhood, and I never lacked for anything, I learned absolutely nothing about money! I was the youngest of 2 children and I remember my father insisting my sister put a set amount of all the money she earned in a saving account. To this day, many years later, she is still very financially organized and is a saver.
        Me, on the other, got everything I could ever want, but never was taught that same lesson on the need to save. As a result, I have suffered for it with foolish, hasty decisions.
        If Ashton wishes to be paid for doing his chores, then perhaps you could in some way incorporate that into a lesson on how to be financially responsible. And then, of course, instead of giving him money for everything he needs, he could be made responsible to care for a pre-determined number of his financial needs OUT OF his money earned from doing chores around the house.
        :) Judy B.
        Ashton Family.
        Posted by: hpmx590
        Posted on: 2005-05-30 21:42:50


        Ashton Family. I think your son sure make---
        money by geting a real job in your home to--
        wn and of course go to school aswell. As fo-
        r Melissa I hope that she will enjoy colleg-
        e in Berkley, Californa. Well I had better--
        close now. Sincerly Your. Russell
        demanding and recieving
        Posted by: aeallen
        Posted on: 2005-05-31 15:02:43


        It seems to me that the problem your boys are facing are the fact that they think that they can demand money and therefore recieve it. This is not a problem that just pops up when they are 16 but probably started when they were much younger. My children are never given anything when they ask for it or demand it. If they recieve anything it is presented as a gift from my husband and I, when my 5 year old asks for things, he is quickly told no with no reasons given. Our 11 year old hardly asks for anything now but is so appreacitive when she recieves things. Your boys started their demands when they were young and just weren't told no soon enough! It's hard to reteach principles that have already been taught!
          Cold hearted!
          Posted by: clickety
          Posted on: 2005-06-08 08:47:21


          I dont know about anyone else but aeallen seems really cold and I'm so glad that isnt my parent posting such a stuck up message. Tell me, when you're child asks for a drink of water, is he/she told no as well? Perhaps you make them do their own laundry too! Your children are growing up in a world that "things" are more important than love, great teachings!...(not!)
        Growing up with money
        Posted by: clickety
        Posted on: 2005-06-08 08:47:21


        Hi, this message is for Aston's parents, Don and Carlynn. I just wanted you to know that I watched the show, and your boys do seem really sweet and well behaved. You look to be a wonderful family, please keep doing what you're doing...it will all work out in the end. I grew up in the 80's and while most of the other kids around me had nice clothes, beautiful homes and really juicy looking lunches made for them, I lived in poverty and was physically and mentally abused by my father and neglected by my mother. The two of them had no idea or concern for any of us 8 kids, and we looked like hillbillies amongst some very rich, well-off kids. I just wanted you to know that after everything that my parents put me through, (having to go to the bathroom in an outhouse out back in the 80's!)I still love them deeply becasue I know they did their best with me...even if it was way lower then "good enough". They raised us the best way they knew how, (they were abused and neglected as youngsters too), so when your boys grow up, believe me that they will hold the utmost respect for what the two of you are doing right now. I am proud of you all!
      Allowance
      Posted by: wilsomark
      Posted on: 2005-05-30 19:40:32


      While I agree that a child shouldn't be asking his parents for money in exchange for doing normal household chores, I think it is very important for the parent to give the child the opportunity to earn money by doing work around the house. It's called an "allowance". Going out and getting a job may be fine after a certain point, but it's perfectly normal for parents to pay a child an allowance, it helps the child begin learning how to manage their money and teaching them basic work ethics. Getting an outside job before learning some of these basics may be putting the cart before the horse.

      I think that pointing at food on the child's dinner plate and saying "there's your payment" for the chores you do is just not right, and teaches the wrong lesson. Normal household chores, like taking out the trash or doing the dishes, can earn the child privileges (such as being able to go surfing, or things of that nature). Chores are not supposed to earn the child the food they eat. That's one of the parent's basic responsibilities, feeding their children - just try not feeding your kids because they're not taking out the trash and see how understanding child welfare services is. I had to laugh trying to figure out how the kids earned their bottles when they were babies…a “cuteness” allowance…?

      The reason for giving your child an allowance is to teach them the value of money and to set the foundations which will carry them through their adult years.
        Allowance Follow Up
        Posted by: donmon1
        Posted on: 2005-05-30 21:36:26


        Just to clarify, we dont expect the boys to "work" for their meals, but we do expect them to participate in helping with chores, and cutting the grass during the summer month is one of them. I actually enjoy cutting the grass and personally would rather do it myself...I enjoy the exercise and time alone to collect my thoughts. I believe that it's important for children to contribute some time in helping around the house. What was not stated on the show is that we give "rewards" for good grades; something that I believe Dr. Phil has stated he is against. The boys have been on honor rolls at school for years, and instead og "paying " an allowance, we "reward" them for excellence in school. They will be rewarded by their employers later in life for excellence in their performance at work. We also give them money when they want to go to the movies with friends, take them out to dinner all the time, go on nice vacations every year. These children are not needing for anything, but wanting is a different story. We tell them to get a good education (which we will help pay for )get a good job, and they can have it all, if thats what they want. We want to raise self supporting men, not spoiled wimps that woman will have to take care of (nothing against successful woman)
          no Freakin Way
          Posted by: tiacapulet
          Posted on: 2005-05-31 12:26:29


          I'm a 31 year old single female with no children. I think you two have the patience of saints. I was extrememly annoyed by your sons' sense of entitlement....YOU worked for those things and that's why you get them. If he can't afford to keep his gas tank full, perhaps you should take back the car.

          My family was middle class, and my parents sent me to get my first job right before I turned 12. Nothing crazy, maybe 8-10 hours a week. I worked in the kitchen of a local retreat house for about $3/hr and my parents made me put most of it in the bank (I was also a member of the choir and found time for schoolwork and friends it's not that hard).
          I was appalled at the fact that Dr. Phil suggested you pay your sons for ANYTHING. When you're part of a a family you do work; you have responsibilities...you don't get paid for them. Your sons live better than most people and they just have no concept.
          My parents never bought me a car and I never expected them to (plenty of my friends got cars when they turned 17). I bought my first car when I was 27 and it was 5 years old. But I paid for it outright...no loans, and because my parents had taught me the value of a dollar, I didn't even feel the pinch of shelling out $7000. I'm not against parents letting their kids have material things, but the fact that these kids are so unappreciative is simply gross. They don't seem like bad kids, just brats. Plenty of high school kids work at fast food places (I did that too) and your sons shouldn't think that such work is below them. Stand your ground....provide the basics and that's it....why would you pay them for doing exactly what kids are supposed to do?
          Perhaps they need to see how the middle class or perhaps the poor live so they won't be so whiny.
          Work for food
          Posted by: wilsomark
          Posted on: 2005-05-31 22:12:03


          I didn't honestly think that the boys were expected to "work" for their meals. I was commenting on the comment itself. It struck me as unhelpful and unnecessary - more of a "smart" remark than something to learn from. That type of communication problem may be why the boys think they should get paid for doing normal chores, and their feeling that they are "better" than those working for minimum wages. Children learn a lot from their parents, and I saw some signs of elitism from the parents which I believe have translated into the children. I like the whole "volunteering" issue....oh, I did it because mom told me to for college. Not because it's the right thing to do, or that he wants to help those less fortunate than himself....

          I have to disagree with your assessment that the "children are not needing for anything" ... the very fact that your family was on the show tells us otherwise. They apparently need empathy and a further understanding of the real world. Maybe they got a little of that from the others on the show who have had a truly rough time.

          I think you missed the point of paying an allowance. Rewarding them for excellence in school and stating that future employers will reward them for excellence at work, aren't a replacement for the concept of earning an allowance.

          Anyway, they seemed like good kids, smart and clever. I'm sure they'll be happy and successful! Best of luck to your entire family!
            Paying for Good Grades
            Posted by: wilsomark
            Posted on: 2005-05-31 23:54:51


            I'd be interested in Dr. Phil's take on paying for good grades. I would think that a parent paying a child for good grades may send the wrong message to the child. Getting good grades should come from the desire to do well, to show excellence, to have pride in one's accomplishments, not to get a few bucks. You want the child to desire good grades for the right reasons. This is not to say we shouldn't reward a child for getting good grades, but I would think that paying money for grades isn't the best means of reward. Basically, I think that giving money for good grades shifts the child's focus from a personal sense of accomplishment to the reward he will receive.

            Also, an allowance helps show that work=money. Good grades don't always translate into money (although it can help!).
        whats wrong with those kids?
        Posted by: warness
        Posted on: 2005-05-30 22:31:45


        Im 17 and my parents dont pay for nothing. they are teaching me responsibility by making me pay for my insurance and my car. by doing that i had to get a job at $7.50 an hour. its not much but it pays the bills. im student body president of my school and im always needed and use to play football but there is no time know that i have a job so quit your bickering.
      so true
      Posted by: gonnabrich
      Posted on: 2005-06-03 11:38:33


      that is so true i 15 and i get it.
    Just Like My Sister
    Posted by: vanka_dee
    Posted on: 2005-05-28 23:21:20


    My 14-year-old sister, Jamie, is the same way as Ashton. She'll clean her room and wash the plate she eats off of without being asked. But if you want her to put the laundry away or make dinner one night, it'll cost you. It's ridiculous! My mom is in Los Angeles (which is like 2,000 miles away) this weekend and I've been left in charge. I had to PAY Jamie to cut the grass just this afternoon. The fact that my mom is trying to put the house on the market (and let me tell you, the Northeastern Wisconsin market ISN'T booming) so she can move to L.A. doesn't interest Jamie. I guess leaving behind a state with 10 months of winter isn't incentive enough for her.

    <3 Kristin
    She's already on the team!
    Posted by: buddy2005
    Posted on: 2005-05-29 08:42:00


    this post thingy is about the mother who dosen't want her daughter to play foot-ball, and the daughter is already a star on the team. If the daughter is already on the team after the mother said "no", doesn't the mother see that, she's already on the team and is a star player and she ain't gonna listen to you now. The daughter just won't drop everything she has. The mother should be glad that her daughter is doing some kind of sport insead of going on the streets and buying drugs! So what if it's a boy sport, if the daughter enjoys it, that's all what matters!

    -buddy2005
      I agree!!
      Posted by: vgirl02
      Posted on: 2005-06-02 15:24:06


      I thought Dr. Phil was SO wrong with not firmly telling the mother that a girl can play football just fine - in fact, he seemed against it!!! I was shocked!!! Even the gymnaist lady was not firmly for it! I think that getting hurt is a ridiculous excuse - guys get hurt all the time when they play football. Should they stop playing? What about when I got hurt playing softball? Should I have quit for fear of pain? No. I ususally agree with Dr Phil on most things....I could not believe his position here. :(
        Actually
        Posted by: night_1
        Posted on: 2005-06-07 10:11:27


        Actually, I heard Mary Lou said that If one of her daughters ask her If she can play football, she's all for it. Mary Lou said that Gym is the hardest sport to compete, and the injuries are more great than in Football. I don't think I heard Mary Lou discouraging Allie from playing football, if any, I think Mary Lou, Allie, and the rest of the audiences and viewers were shocked with Dr. Phil answer.
    Re: Ashton
    Posted by: dwilladsen
    Posted on: 2005-05-30 08:33:44


    I'm just curious about all the times that your parents "Showed you the money" and you just took it for granted. I am pretty sure that you didn't pay for the clothes on your back, the current roof that you live under, or the last meal that you ate for that matter. Perhaps you should show a little bit more gratitude, be a team player, get off your duff and do a few things around the house to help out.
    The next time you are asked to help remember what has been done for YOU lately. It is your parents responsibility and privilege to raise a well rounded young man--but at 17 it's your responsibility to start showing some respect and giving back a little bit. And always remember-your mother brought you into this world--she can surely take you out!lol just kidding. Seriously though-step up to the plate and show them what a good job they did.