In a daytime exclusive, Gypsy Willis, the former mistress of Dr. Martin MacNeill — who was recently convicted in the 2007 murder of his wife, Michele — speaks out about the headline-grabbing case and controversies that surround her. Why does she say she moved into MacNeill’s home just nine days after his wife’s death? Defense attorneys argued that Michele, a mother of eight, died of heart problems, which caused her to fall in the bathtub — but prosecutors accused the Utah doctor of persuading his wife to have plastic surgery so that he could heavily medicate her during recovery and drown her — clearing the way for Gypsy to move into the family’s home. Hear why Gypsy, who says she was blinded by love and still cares deeply for her former lover, thinks MacNeill was wrongfully convicted. When Dr. Phil and former FBI Profiler Clint Van Zandt provide their analysis, will she change her mind? Plus, Gypsy was convicted of fraud in 2009 for stealing MacNeill’s daughter’s identity — how does she explain her actions?
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Love Affair Turned Nightmare
Gypsy admits to Dr. Phil she had a 15-month relationship with Martin MacNeill, but insists she wasn’t involved in any way with his wife, Michele’s, death. She says she’s a real person who made mistakes, and she’s sorry for them and has learned some hard lessons.
“The truth is, even the most naïve observer would have to consider that you were potentially an incentive for him to kill his wife,” Dr. Phil says.
“The idea that I am an incentive is very appalling to me. It’s very hard to swallow,” she says.
“If his mind was demented enough that he needed her out of the way to have full time with you, then you were an incentive to him, in his world. It could’ve been the case,” he says.
“Yes,” she agrees.
Gypsy says when MacNeill texted her the news of Michele’s passing, she responded that she was so sorry for his loss.
“Hindsight is 20/20. Did he ever give you any warning signs that he wanted to get rid of his wife, Michele?” Dr. Phil asks.
“No, nothing like that, even in retrospect. That’s why it’s been so hard this past week to hear the verdict, and to have known him then,” Gypsy says. “I never imagined at all. Not in my wildest dreams.”
“Do you believe he is guilty or do you believe he is innocent?”
Why did Gypsy go to Michele’s funeral? And, why did she send seductive photos to MacNeill the day after the funeral?
Gypsy explains why she landed behind bars on fraud charges.
Dr. Phil points out that on falsified documents, she represented that she was MacNeill’s wife, and the wedding date used on the document was the day of Michele’s funeral.
Gypsy explains that she was uncomfortable with MacNeill’s idea of falsifying documents, using his daughter’s social security number, in order for her to access his bank accounts, but she followed his lead despite her hesitation. She says he filled out the wedding date on the documents. “Martin had been battling with his children, and it was unlikely anyone would see [the documents], but if they did, it would hurt their feelings, and that’s why he put it the way he did,” she says.
Gypsy says about three or four months after Michele’s death, MacNeill proposed, and she was planning to marry him.
“Did you have any doubts about marrying him?” Dr. Phil asks.
“Not about marrying him
. I had doubts about marriage in general,” she says.
“Did it ever occur to you, ‘I might be getting into a situation here that has a real bad end’?”
“I never felt that my life was in danger at all. The facts around Michele’s death and the autopsy were natural,” Gypsy says. “In hindsight especially, I can’t believe I did the things I did. Martin was an attorney. He was appointed by the governor to work in the position he had been. He had his law degree. I knew he liked bending the rules. I thought he knew how to navigate however he wanted to, and so I deferred my better judgment to what he said we should do, and it’s been disastrous. It’s been disastrous in everyone’s life.”
Dr. Phil notes that the prosecution called another mistress to testify. “Did you know about her?” he asks.
“He told me about her,” Gypsy says. “I knew I wasn’t the only one. I assumed he probably had many.”
“Is there any such thing as discontinuation criteria for you?” Dr. Phil asks.
“Is there any point at which you would’ve said, ‘This is too much. I’m out of here’?”
“Are you still in love with him?” Dr. Phil asks Gypsy.
“No. There’s a part of me that will always care for Martin. We had a deep connection, but I’m not in love with him now. I care for him. I hope he’s all right. I have thoughts of him, but I’m not in love with him now.”
“You realize there’s more than just a possibility that he killed his wife — and he has been convicted of it,” Dr. Phil says.
“He has been convicted, yes,” she acknowledges.
Fitting the Profile of a Murderer?
Former FBI profiler and NBC criminal analyst Clint Van Zandt joins the discussion. He highlights a famous case that may give Gypsy some thought about MacNeill’s conviction.
“How in your fondest mind did you ever think this man would be loyal to you when he’s cheated on everybody else who’s ever been in his life?”
“A lot of people are suspicious that you know more about this than you’re telling.”