Dr. Phil reiterates to Marty that it's important for him to be honest, so his relationship with his daughters can be positive and move forward. He encourages Marty, "They love you every day, including today."
"I don't think there's any question about it," Dr. Phil replies.
"Then why wouldn't my daughter tell me what you found out?" Marty asks, referring to the details of Alex's life that she didn't share with her father.
"She's afraid of you!" Erin says. Exasperated, Dr. Phil says to Marty, "You answer that. Why would she tell me something she didn't tell you? ... I'm 3000 miles away and I know more about her than you do!"
"She has to want to work with me too, as much as I do her. I mean it's give and take," Marty explains.
"I think they love me," Marty replies. "Alexandra is mad at me because I am just fighting her tooth and nail on this boyfriend thing. And she's doing everything in the world that she can come up with to push my buttons. I truly believe that." As for his relationship with his younger daughter, he says, "I thought Katherine and I were going
"She's told me that when you're better and plugged in, you're better than you've ever been. But that it's not always that way," Dr. Phil says, referring to Katherine.
"I'll buy into that," Marty says.
Katherine confirms that at times, things are "very bad."
Marty disagrees saying, "I'm thinking they should have just told me to my face rather than come on television and have to tell somebody."
"From what?" Marty asks.
"You," Dr. Phil explains. "From blowing up and being verbally abusive with them."
Dr. Phil tells Marty that it is very important for him to make the girls feel safe at home so they will want to express themselves to him. If they fear his reaction to what they tell him, they won't be open and honest with him.
"You are the one, that I have said, is the lynchpin in getting [Alex] to understand, 'I don't have to be sexual to be valued and accepted by men.'
"And I keep telling her that day in and day out," Marty tells him.
"Well you know how long you need to tell her that?" Dr. Phil asks.
"For the rest of her life," Marty says.
"You need to tell her that until it sinks in. If it's every day for the next year, then it's every day for the next year," Dr. Phil exclaims.
"Well, maybe I'm not strong enough to do that," Marty says.
Dr. Phil asks Alex and Katherine what kind of relationship they want with their dad.
"If you're not, then you need to get strong, because you can divorce your wife, but you can't divorce those girls. They're yours and you've got to plug in," Dr. Phil stresses.
Alex angrily replies, "I want trust and understanding. I want to be able to tell you things and not have you jump down my frickin' throat. It pisses me off when you sit there and say, 'That's stupid,' ... That hurts my feelings. The things that you think are stupid mean a lot to me."
"If you're dealing with her in a reasonable way as an adult and as a father, then why are you rewinding the tape and recording over it? What are you ashamed of? What are you hiding? ... If you're proud of the way you're dealing with her, why are you doing that?" Dr. Phil asks Marty.
"You got me," Marty says to Dr. Phil.
"What do you take away from what she just said?"
"You know you're wrong. That's why you're doing it," Dr. Phil tells Marty. "So why are you sitting here defending it now? Do you want to be right or do you want your daughter to be connected?" Marty thinks about what Dr. Phil has said.
"She doesn't think I'm plugged into her basically. She wants me to lighten up on the boy issue, and I can't do that," Marty says.
She continues, saying that she thinks she is going to be in trouble at the end of the show for what she has said. "I know right now you're thinking, 'Boy, when I get out of this show I'm just going to ground her because Mom's not going to be here.' That scares me Dad. When Mom's not there, you're even different. And I just want you to be my dad."
Dr. Phil asks Marty, "What do you hear Katherine saying to you?"
Dr. Phil tells Marty to stop being defensive, and to really search within himself to hear what she has said to him.
"That I'm this mean, evil person. [Although] yesterday she hugs me and kisses me, tells me how much she loves me and how great I'm doing," Marty tells him. "So I don't know. I have mixed feelings."
"I'm not giving her enough love, attention, affection, all that. Yeah, I hear that," Marty replies.
"She says, 'I'm afraid of you. You scare me. You get in my face. You don't respect me.' Is that how you want to be perceived by your daughter?" Dr. Phil asks.
Marty responds to Katherine saying, "I don't understand the whole phone thing. When did I take your phone away from you?"
He asks Katherine what she wants from her dad. "I just want my dad to love me, and I don't want him to yell at me," Katherine says as she cries. "I love my dad a lot, and I just want him to be a part of my life, but I don't want to be with you if you're going to continue to be like this," she tells Marty.
A confused Marty says that he hasn't done that in a long time, and Dr. Phil says to him, "Is that all you hear out of this, is the telephone?" He goes on asking, "Did you miss the part where she said, 'I am terrified that I'm going to be alone with you ... and that's not a safe feeling.' And you want to talk about a cell phone? What the hell's wrong with you Marty?"
A frustrated Dr. Phil explains to Marty what the problem is. "You are managing these girls by intimidation, and in so doing, you are driving them away from you, you're driving them away from the family, and you're driving them right into the arms of predators ... and that's how young girls get in trouble, because their fathers don't make them feel special. Their fathers don't make them feel loved. Their fathers don't make them feel safe ... It's not about the cell phone. It's about the feelings these two young girls are experiencing!"
"I understand," Marty says, but, "I think they're making it sound a lot worse than it is."