Jamey joins Michelle on stage. Despite Jamey standing up for his daughters and fighting with Michelle about how she treats them, it's not enough.
Dr. Phil says, "God bless you for going as far as you're going and trying to put up a stop sign here and protect those girls. But it isn't working, is it?"
"No. Not at all," says Jamey.
"Your family is on fire. And you my friend, must be the fireman here. What are you thinking allowing this to go on?" asks Dr. Phil.
Jamey says it's been like that since they married 11 years ago.
"Do you think she's bullying those children?"
"In most cases, yes."
Dr. Phil turns to Michelle. "The truth is, you've never really told him or told anybody else how bad you think this could really get, have you? Because there are times in your mind " and I know this because I've known you for 30 years " I've been doing this a long time and the movie in your mind gets really ugly, doesn't it?"
Michelle nods, wiping a tear.
"How bad can this get?" he presses.
"If I don't get it under control, I'm not going to have my kids anymore. They could be taken from me," says Michelle, wiping tears.
"And you know you could go off in a major way. You could do physical damage to those children. You've played that in your mind, haven't you?"
"Absolutely," she says. "Especially with my youngest. My oldest, I look at her a certain way and she'll cower. But my youngest, she fights back and that pisses me off even more."
Dr. Phil wants Michelle to hear her little girls explain how it feels to be on the receiving end of her rage.
"I am 7 years old. My mom gets angry at me. I cry. I can't tell you what words she uses, because it's really bad. I do get in trouble almost every day. If I could wish for one thing, I'd wish for the family not to fight."
"I am 11 years old. My mom does yell a lot. She calls me â€˜stupid idiot' and â€˜retard.' I just sit up in my room, don't come out for the rest of the night. I just pretend it never happened. It just hurts. I don't think those things should be said to me. When I get in trouble, I have to exercise. Within 20 seconds we have to get down on our stomachs and do pushups. Then we have to roll over and keep our feet two inches off of the ground. I like the exercise punishment because we're not being hurt mentally, just physically. I just wish it all would stop. We've got to live in this house a couple more years together. And if we can just make it through, then it would be awesome. I'll be out when I'm 18 and it'll probably be better for them."
Jamey explains, "The exercising, I'll be perfectly honest, I brought into the situation. It's something that stuck with me ever since I was in bootcamp. They used to say, â€˜If you're not going to be smart, you're going to be strong, because you're going to need one or the other to live.'"
"She's 7, Jamey!" says Dr. Phil.
"I understand that they're children, but when I'm at work, if I can keep her hands off of the children by another method of punishment, I need to try and keep that going," says Jamey. "In my mind, it's not abuse." School counselors even told them that this is a good punishment rather than spanking.
"If those are your only two choices, I'd rather run around the block than have the hell beat out of me, yeah," exclaims Dr. Phil. "But are those the only two choices? Look, this is an abusive situation. This is a reportable offense. I understand why you've had conflict with the law. You are out of control."
Dr. Phil explains that in his opinion, Jamey is just as guilty as Michelle because he hasn't stepped in to stop her. "You have a prime directive here. And that is the protection and nuturing of these children. Not your marriage, not your job, nothing else. Your prime directive is the nurturing and protection of these children. And if you aren't doing that, you are failing miserably."
He turns to Michelle, "And you are attacking these children. You are attacking them mentally, emotionally, sometimes physically, certainly psychologically. That is abuse. Look it up. That is abuse â€¦ This has to stop now."