'Am I Cursed?': Holly

'Am I Cursed?': Holly

"For the past seven years, I've been having nightmares of evil spirits. I dream about evil, fighting evil," Holly reveals. "The nightmares always start in a home. It will be like a black cloud, but with specks in it, like a presence. The mass is either over my head or surrounding me. In one of my episodes, a sword appeared. There's a lot of overwhelming fear. I believe the good in me fights this fear. When I wake up from an episode. I am completely drained."

Her husband, David, says, "I think Holly is possessed. The very first instance, I was lying on my side, and Holly yelled out, 'God is good!' It reminds me of the movie The Exorcist. It scared the s**t out of me," he admits.

He says that Holly often speaks in another language which reminds him of Latin. "In one incident, she started barking like a dog. A lot of times she doesn't remember the episodes," he says. "Can I really trust her like I used to trust her? That's my concern. My plans with her are to grow old in rocking chairs with lots of grandchildren. I want her to be there, that's all."

Dr. Phil points out that though Holly has said her dreams were coming less frequently, her husband disagrees. 

"When we talked to the show, and they were going to start filming at our house on Wednesday, she had one Monday night," David reveals. "It wasn't talking in tongues, it was this cry ... like she's scared to death."

"You say that she's speaking in tongues at night?" Dr. Phil asks.


"I don't know exactly what 'tongues' is," David admits. "To me, it sounds like Latin or something."


"You don't strike me as a linguist," Dr. Phil says. "If I were hearing some obscure Arabic tongue or Latin in the night, I don't think I would know it. In most circumstances where people supposedly are speaking in tongues and that's been recorded and evaluated, there's not a language structure to it. It's kind of a gibberish. It's kind of a release of anxiety."

Dr. Phil turns to Dr. Frank Lawlis, chairman of the Dr. Phil advisory board, and author of Transpersonal Medicine. "I think we often symbolize the negative forces that are impinging on us that make us feel like victims, so we begin to feel these kinds of battles between ourselves and this other kind of force," Dr. Lawlis explains. "I think we're hearing a lot about the symbology of what's going on in your mind."


Dr. Phil elaborates. "What happens when there's conflict and emotion and tension, [is that] your mind creates a story to frame around that. You have this push-pull that goes in internally — whether it's guilt, shame, fear, anxiety — whatever the negative emotional experience is that you have. At night when you're asleep, your brain is less able, less engaged, in suppressing those thoughts and feelings."


Turning to Dr. Lawlis, he says, "This is actually maintainable and eliminatible almost 100 percent of the time, correct?"


"That's correct," Dr. Lawlis assures him. "Just as you have negative symbols, you can also have positive symbols. A very positive symbol has to do with love. The most positive symbol has to do with empowerment of who you are ... if you can begin to create your own positive symbols that aid you in terms of dealing with the negative symbols, then you create more power within yourself."


Dr. Phil says, "I don't want to sound cosmic here, but the research has shown us over the years that mirrors, candles and concrete symbols — such as a crucifix or whatever — surrounding the place that you sleep gives your brain, and perhaps your spirit, a positioning that can help you maintain that organization while you're sleeping."