"I definitely have a phobia of giving birth," she explains. "Dave would have a better chance of having all eight kids himself than me having them."
She remembers being in the delivery room with a friend as a teenager. "When I think about the pains of childbirth, I think it's something that I'm not going to be able to handle once I get there," she says.
If they're watching a TV show with a childbirth scene, Dave says, "She turns her head or hides her eyes. It's not something she can even watch." He would like Jennifer, who's 29, to be pregnant by their first anniversary.
"Dave feels it's important that we have this huge family so they can take care of us when we're elderly. What 32-year-old man thinks like this?" Jennifer wonders. "Dr. Phil, do I have a real phobia about the pain of childbirth, or am I just not ready yet?"
"I want to have them, but I don't want to have them," she tries to explain.
"I do," Dave says. "Like she said, she really wants to have children. It's just this issue of the actual delivery that's holding her back."
Dr. Phil explains that there actually is a phobia of childbirth. "It's called 'lockiophobia,' he says, "and it sounds like for you it's like 'lock-yo-knees-together,'" he teases, drawing laughter from the audience.
He tells Jennifer that according to research, anxiety, fear and expectations increase the pain of childbirth dramatically.
Jennifer wants clarification. "So you're saying that the actual anxiety that I have, if I learn to control that and lessen that, it will actually lessen the effect of the pain?" she asks.
"Dramatically," Dr. Phil assures her. "Pain is a very subjective thing." He gives an example of "panic button" research, where participants were jolted with electrical shocks to see how much pain they could tolerate. "If you gave them a panic button where they could stop it at any time and they knew that, they could handle two, three, four, 500 percent more pain than if they couldn't stop it, because they were afraid of being trapped," he points out.
"That's what I need," Jennifer insists.
"When you're in the delivery process, you control how much medication you have in the epidural," he explains. "If you'll learn anxiety control ... and go into the delivery process where you have direct, hands-on control, then you would feel much less scared and panicked about the situation, right?" he asks.
Jennifer is reassured, and Dave agrees with Dr. Phil that they're making progress.