Behind Closed Doors: John

The Molester Speaks

"The only reason that I have more respect for my stepfather than I do my mother is the fact that he owned up to what he did, and he is remorseful for it. My mother has never admitted to doing anything wrong," Heidi says.

"I cannot figure out why Heidi would have a relationship with my ex-husband," says Susan. "When she was 18, she made a special trip to go visit him. I don't know if anything happened when she went on that visit."


Heidi denies having a relationship with John. "I've never gone to visit him. I don't remember the last time I saw my stepfather," she says.


"I asked my ex-husband, ‘Did you ever love me? Did you marry me for my daughter, or did you marry me for me?' He told me that because I was gone all the time at night, he turned to Heidi for companionship," Susan reveals. "It made me sick to my stomach. I wanted to throw up."

Dr. Phil joins John in a room backstage. "I'm trying to heal a family, and I'm trying to heal a relationship, and you have been a big problem in this situation because you sexually molested this innocent child for a number of years, correct?" Dr. Phil asks John. "You admit to that, right?"

"Yes," John replies.

Dr. Phil asks John if he was caught by Susan while he was molesting Heidi at age 9.

"To the best of my knowledge, she assumed more than she actually saw," he says. "My memory is very, very faded."

"But you're not equivocating?" Dr. Phil asks.

"No," he says.

"You were molesting the child," Dr. Phil says. "And you continued to after that."

"Correct," John says.

"Did it ever occur to you that you were destroying a child's life?" Dr. Phil asks.


"At that time, not really. No," he says.

"How many victims have you had in your life?" Dr. Phil probes.

"She's the only one," John says.

"She's the only one?" Dr. Phil asks in disbelief.

"There was a girlfriend of hers, and I don't know if it was her self-defense mechanism, but she brought a friend in to, I guess, take the pressure off her," John says.


"We're shooting you from behind. You're in disguise, and I have reluctantly agreed not to use your name, so you have nothing to hide here but the truth," Dr. Phil tells John. "You and I know she's not your only victim, and I know of other circumstances." He adds that he has hired private investigators to check out John's background. "I don't want to make trouble for you, but I don't want you lying, either."

"I'm not lying, to the best of my knowledge," John maintains.

"That's not true," Dr. Phil says. "You admitted to one other, and that's not the only other."

"It's assumptions on the other parts," John says. "It's the best I can remember. Like I said, my memory is very, very faded on it."


Dr. Phil doesn't believe what he's hearing. "That's a convenient fading. John, come on," he says. 

Dr. Phil points out that John has never been charged or convicted, and he's not a registered sex offender. "Do you consider yourself a pedophile?" he asks.


"Do you consider yourself a child molester?"


"But you're asking me to believe, just this one child, Heidi, and her friend?"

"Yes," he says, explaining that he didn't start the molestation with Heidi's friend. "She was curious, and she pushed it, but I didn't stop it."


"I wonder what Heidi will say about this," Dr. Phil says.

John says he's talked with Heidi about it several times. "I visited her. She's visited me, and I've tried to be as open as I possibly can to let her know it wasn't her fault," he says.

"You said at the time, you went this direction because you needed companionship, and Susan was never there," Dr. Phil says.

"From what I remember, that's the feeling I had," he says.

"Why did you not get charged and put in jail at the time?" Dr. Phil asks.

"I believe my ex-wife was trying to do the best thing for the family, as far as me being the breadwinner," he says. "I could help the fam

ily more from that position than from behind bars."

"Because you were able to have the power of the dollar and the power of the medical, you were able to continue to have a victim in the home, and that's what you call helping the family?" Dr. Phil asks in disbelief. "Did you and Susan talk about that?"

"No," he says. "She just never pressed charges."


"You knew you had been caught, but you kept doing it anyway," Dr. Phil says.


"Yes," John replies.

"You realize that, so you wouldn't feel lonely, you basically destroyed a young person's life. You just took it away from her," Dr. Phil tells him. "Do you get that? I'm trying to find somebody who gets what's going on here."

"I understand that," John says.

Dr. Phil asks if John has any comments for Heidi or Susan.

"If they need a common enemy, somebody that they need to hate, hate me," he says.

"I hope you're telling me the truth about what's happening in your life right now," Dr. Phil says. "I hope I'm not sending you back to wherever you go putting children in jeopardy."

When Dr. Phil leaves the room, he says, "I'm sorry. I don't believe it. I don't believe a word of it. I don't believe those are the only victims. I've got information about others. I don't think, for a second, that this is a safe situation."