Katherine didn't come to Los Angeles for the show taping, because her college semester started, and she didn't want to miss classes. She joins the show via satellite, and Dr. Phil says, "The last time I saw you, it was the back of your head going out the door. What did you want to say?"
"I needed to get out of there, and I apologize for walking out on you. It wasn't the right thing to do, but at the time, it felt like that was what I needed to do," she says. "I was stressed out, I had gotten two hours of sleep, I had just been poked and prodded with needles, and I was basically on edge." She continues, "I felt like you were believing everything that everybody said, and you had made up your own mind. You made your decision, and you just wanted to hear what I had to say."
[AD]"These are things about which reasonable folks can differ," Dr. Phil says. "Let's switch roles for a minute here ... If you're trying to help me make better choices, are you going to ask me about all of that stuff?"
"Yes, I would. I just felt like I didn't have any time to give you the answers. I kind of wish you had been a little bit nicer about it," the teen says.
"My sense is that you didn't like the questions, and you liked your answers even less, so you decided to end the interview at that point," Dr. Phil says. "If you don't want to talk to me, that's an easy adjustment that we can make. I don't know that you're going to find anybody working harder to create what you want in your life than my staff and I are doing."
"I asked you the other day, on an insight scale with 10 being the most insightful, and a one would be not so much, you said you put yourself at an eight," Dr. Phil says. "Is that still your position, or do you think that's a little optimistic?"
"That's being a little optimistic, but I just felt like at the time, I had to be my own backbone and had to seem a little bit stronger for myself because nobody is going to be there to defend me," Katherine says. "You're right, I'm at a three, or four or five."
Dr. Phil reminds Katherine she can't change what she doesn't acknowledge. "What I'm wanting to do is get you to recognize that your life isn't working the way it can work. You're getting in your own way. Your family is getting in your way, your history is getting in your way," he tells her. He reminds her that to get different results, she must act differently. He asks her if she truly believes her mom planted the bong in her bedroom.
"No. I know at the time I said that, because it's embarrassing to me," she explains. "That was what Sean and I used to use together when we would smoke. I have his shoes that my dog chewed, I have a bunch of his pajamas and stuff, and I held onto those things. In my heart, I still care. I'm not going to lie."
[AD]"Do you understand that what you just said was, 'I admit that I still care about this person some, and in my sentimentality, I just held on to his illicit drug paraphernalia?'" Dr. Phil asks.
"Yes. It's stupid, yeah. I know," Katherine says.
"That's why I don't put you at eight on the scale, because when you hear it back, I can see it makes perfect sense to you that that's irrational," Dr. Phil says. "That's not the kind of person I want you hanging around with. You're better than that. You can do better than that. You are better than that, and I want better than that for you."