Inside the FLDS: Willie, Sam, Joni, Brent

Facing His Critics
Sam, who's been investigating the FLDS for the past seven years, agrees with Willie Jessop's claim that although Warren Jeffs is in prison, not much has changed in the FLDS community. "In fact, it's maybe even getting worse," Sam says. "Now, Warren is establishing himself as a martyr." The FLDS community reportedly still believes Jeffs is a prophet, and they don't watch or listen to any news that reports the contrary.

"So, they're even more threatened by the outside world," Dr. Phil surmises.

Sam agrees.

[AD]Dr. Phil gives Joni a chance to address Jessop.

"You knew. You knew more than what you're saying up here, and you hurt families. You did. When you put these men out, you hurt their families," she says to Jessop, regarding his alleged involvement with kicking men out of the FLDS community. "How could a man of God do that?"

Jessop at first wants Joni to give him specifics to what she's referring to but does admit, "It was wrong, and I'm sorry."
Fawn says she escaped her fate of being forced to marry an older man when she fled the compound in 2004 at 16 years old. When Dr. Phil first met her in 2005, she only had a fourth grade education and was believed as she was taught that dinosaurs never existed and that there had never been a man on the moon. Now, Fawn gives an update:

"Ever since Warren was arrested and going through all these trials, it feels to me like my family has become more scared of their salvation. Recently, my father has cut off communication with me and my brothers. It's fear, because he still believes that Warren is a true prophet," she says, growing tearful. "I'm really worried about my little sisters. November 13 was the last time I saw my family. My father asked me to meet him at the gas station. My little sisters got out of the car and come running around, and the 16-year-old, she gave me a hug, and she wouldn't let go, like there was something wrong. She couldn't say anything to me. It was like she was screaming ‘Help,' and I couldn't do anything. They all hugged me like that, and nobody said anything. And I just told her, I will always be here for her if she ever needs anything." She wipes away her tears.

Dr. Phil welcomes Fawn back to the show. She says she's doing well, except for being worried about her family.

Dr. Phil turns back to Jessop. "What was your understanding about why the girls weren't educated more?"

[AD]"Doctor, you're going to have to forgive me on that, because there again, it's a broad statement," he says. Jessop says there are a lot of girls who are very smart and are going to college. "It's a general statement that I don't think really fits. I think it varies greatly family to family, and circumstances, and resources to resources. But I don't think there's anyone who intentionally educates their daughter less than their son."

Dr. Phil turns back to Fawn. "Tell me what you're doing now, as far as schooling and job," he says.

"I'm a proud single parent of a 3-year-old little girl. I finished high school. Now I'm working for a gas station where I live, and I'm a second assistant manager there. I absolutely love it," she says.
Warren Jeffs' nephew, Brent, shares his story of alleged abuse at the hands of his uncle:

"Warren Jeffs is a very deep, secretive, dark pedophile to the fullest," Brent says. "Warren Jeffs molested me when I was 5. Growing up, he was the principal of the school. I remember the day that Warren had taken me down the hall and into a little bathroom. I remember that day like it was yesterday. That day will haunt me for the rest of my life.

"As it was happening, he would say, ‘We're going to do something that is between me and you and God, and this is God's will, and I need you to understand this. You can't say anything to anyone, because if you do, you're going to burn in hell.' He asked me to pull my pants down and kneel down in front of the tub. And then he undid his own pants. The pain felt like someone shoving a kitchen knife inside of you over, and over, and over and over. That pain would not go away " ever.

"From that day forward, God, to me, was someone who liked to hurt people. God is someone who liked to make you angry or sad. And Warren Jeffs, to me, was someone who was evil and dark but in a lot of pain and that he was trying to take his pain away and put it inside of me.

"I think Warren Jeffs molested a few of my family members," Brent says. "That's when something inside of me said, ‘You know what? You have the power inside of you to stand up against this monster.' When I was down in the courtroom on the witness stand, I was able to tell my story to the world, tell my story to the jury, and help everyone kind of understand what kind of monster Warren Jeffs was and still is."

During a press conference, Brent says, "I was a victim of him, but now I can stand 10-feet tall and say, ‘You are where you belong.' And I'm able to let go of all this and move on with my life."

[AD]Dr. Phil welcomes Brent. "You're very courageous to share that at trial and share it here, and it's so good to hear you and see you hold your head up and say, ‘It's out. It's there.'"

Brent says he has a beautiful child and a good job. "My life is great. I'm happy. This thing down in Texas has been absolute closure for me. I finally get to be on the stand, testify against him and show everybody what he was like " that has been absolutely the best thing I've ever done, and to be able to stand in front of him and have him look me in the eyes and say, ‘You got what you deserved,' and have them haul him out of there. That was absolute closure for me."
Dr. Phil asks Brent if he has anything he wants to say to Willie Jessop.

Brent turns to him and says, "I'm confused because, to me, how can you not know what he's doing, to some degree?"

Jessop defends his position.


"What's your point here? Do you think he was not molested by Warren Jeffs?" Dr. Phil asks Jessop.

"I'll put it this way: Their family was severely traumatized. I believe that if the case was legit, it would've been a criminal case. There would've been a trial, and it would've gone to court," he says.

"Willie, there are all kinds of criminal cases that don't go to court," Sam tells him.

Dr. Phil repeats his question. "You believe this man came here and lied? You believe Brent is making this up and is lying?"

"Because of him alleging other people involved in this " "

"He still can't answer the question. Answer the question," Brent urges him.

"I challenge seriously the validity, and that's it. And I don't have enough to say it absolutely didn't [occur], but the evidence I've seen, there were people you accused who weren't even in the church, had not even been there," Jessop says defensively.

"That has nothing to do with it. This is between me and Warren. Do you not get that?" Brent asks.

[AD]"But you accused other people."

"Yes. And they were there. I saw them!" Brent insists.

"If the government would've believed you, they would've filed a case," Jessop says. "That's all I can say. They would've done it; they would not have covered it up."

"They didn't cover it up," Sam argues. "They didn't file a case for many different reasons; that's why we took it civilly."

Dr. Phil disagrees with Jessop.

"I wasn't there; I don't know, but I've got to tell you, given what I do now know, that this seems completely consistent, completely consistent with what we now know is his morals and his practices," Dr. Phil says about Warren Jeffs. "Would you agree that it's consistent with what we now know about his conduct in other situations and circumstances?" he asks Jessop.

"You're trying to make me defend something that's indefensible," he says.

"I'm just asking you to answer the question. Is this inconsistent with what we now know about him?"

"Yeah, it is. Because if he raped this little guy right here," Jessop says, clapping Brent on the back, "we'd have 500 little kids [claiming] rape, and that's what we couldn't do. We couldn't find another one when we opened an investigation. Because if you've got a pedophile that's raping little boys " he's the principal of the school. We would've had a hundred of them. Somebody doesn't stop with one little boy. They just don't."

Dr. Phil plays a clip from the documentary, Banished: The Lost Boys of Polygamy, courtesy of Stacey Butler. In the clip, a young man named Doyle is being interviewed by phone while he's in jail:

"Are you afraid of Warren?" a woman asks.

"Yes, I am," Doyle says.

"Why?"

"He has some ability to just control me. I don't understand it. When I'm in his presence, I feel like a friggin retarded little baby. It reminds me of when I was in school. He'd take me in the classrooms and do whatever he's doing with me, spanking me, pulling my pants down, making me stand there naked in front of him for hours on end," he says.

"What is it exactly, do you think, Warren was afraid that you would tell me?" she asks.

"That he molested me and that he was sexually abusing me," he says. "The first time that it happened, he spanked me with a yardstick in front of the entire classroom, to prove, to give me my discipline or whatever. He'd get real close to me, rubbing himself on me, feeling my ass with his hands, getting himself off, or whatever he was doing. I didn't even understand that at the time. I had no clue what that was or what that meant or anything."

[AD]"What angers you the most?"

"That he has so much power over so many people, that they're willing to do whatever he says at the drop of a hat, because they say he's speaking from God, and that isn't true," Doyle says.