He continues, "In April of 2006 I got a call from Judith Regan, and she said, 'I just heard from O.J. Simpson's people, and they want to make a deal on a book, and he wants to confess, and he wants to do it hypothetically.' I was very curious. I had a history with O.J. I had testified against him a dozen years earlier. At the time of the murders, I lived in a condominium that shared a back alley with Nicole and on the night in question, I heard a dog barking. Marcia Clark, the prosecutor, used that to help establish a timeline.
"I flew down to Miami to meet O.J. We shook hands. He's got this massive hand. It's about the size of a baseball mitt. And he said, 'Thank you for coming.' Before I'd even sat down, he said, 'Now, what is this business about a wailing dog?' I think it was simply his way of telling me, 'I know who you are.'
"We got off to a rocky start. At one point he went on at great length about, 'All these people who just assumed I was guilty,' and I said, 'I'm sorry, O.J., but I thought you were guilty then, and I still think you're guilty,' and the man exploded, and he said, 'I know you do' and added a choice expletive. But a few seconds later he was calm again, and he laughed, and he said, 'Thank you for being honest with me.'"
"The second day got a little trickier because we got into all the allegations of abuse, and you know, he beat Nicole. He insisted repeatedly, 'I only hit her once, and suddenly I've become the poster boy for wife abuse.' I said, 'You know, that's just not believable and it doesn't jibe with the evidence.' He was adamant. 'I hit her once. That's it.' Then he went on to describe Nicole in these horribly unflattering terms. It's not enough that O.J. murdered Nicole. He now has to murder her character. The most fascinating thing about it is this is the classic language of the wife abuser. 'I did everything for this woman. I was the greatest guy.''"
Pablo and the Goldmans meet for the first time ever on Dr. Phil's stage.
Turning to the Goldman's, Dr. Phil asks, "How do y'all feel about the fact that he did this project and that he spent this time and wrote this story?"
"I did have a moment of, 'Really? Isn't anything sacred?'" says Kim. "He was on our team. He was a prosecutorial witness, 'Really?' and then I thought OK, he's an author, he's a writer, it's a business, and I moved away from it."
He answers, "Well, Judith Regan called me in April of last year and she mentioned this project in complete confidence, and I thought, wow, this is a very squirrelly project. And when she mentioned it she had also said it was a hypothetical confession, and I said to her, 'I really don't understand what that means.' She said, 'I've been assured he wants to confess, but this is the only way he'll do it, and I said my big concern was going into business with this man."
"Judith represented to you that this was a confession, correct?" Dr. Phil probes.
"That's correct," says Pablo, "and that's what she had been told. And when I actually sat down a week later with the lawyer who had brought the project to Judith, he assured me that I would be hearing details that only the killer could know, so this basically clinched it for me. 'OK, I'm going to be hearing things that only O.J. could know.'"
"When you met him," asks Dr. Phil, "were you ever afraid? Were you scared? Because I know a couple times you told him, 'I thought you did it then, and I think you did it now.'"
"Yeah. It wasn't an act of courage," says Pablo. "It's not that I'm some big, brave writer, because what really happened was that " the tenor of our conversations until then " he knew that I thought he was guilty, so for me to have said, 'Oh no, no, I always thought you were a great guy, O.J.,' it would have just been counterproductive. I had to be honest with him."
"O.J. didn't like the chapter on the murders. When we got to that chapter, it was like pulling teeth. At one point, he said to me, 'What do you want from me? I'm not going to tell you that I sliced my wife's neck and watched her eyes roll up into her head.' He was very upset, and when we got to the actual murders he said, 'Look, I'm not talking about that. I don't care. I blacked out. Whatever. I just don't remember any of that " hypothetically speaking.'"
Pablo says he found several details revolving around the night of the murders compelling. "He mentioned that he had pulled into the alley behind Nicole's and he went up to the gate and he said that the back gate was broken. He added, 'I told her a thousand times to get that thing fixed,' and there was a lot of attitude in tone. The other detail that I thought was incredibly telling is when he and Ron were arguing in the courtyard, he said their raised voices brought Nicole to the door. He said when the akita saw Ron Goldman, he wagged his tail, and I thought, wow, that is a really rich detail. Later, however, he made me take that detail out of the book.
"At no time do I remember him expressing sadness about the death of Nicole," says Pablo, "at no time, which I found incredibly unusual. What's scary is that he is capable of doing this horrendous thing and moving on with absolutely no remorse."