Octuplets' Mom Talk to Dr. Phil, Part 2: Post Interview thoughts, phone call

A Phone Call from Nadya

"I know a lot of you out there are curious what diagnosis I would give Nadya Suleman. And I know a lot of talking-head experts have thrown a lot of terms around: psychotic, OCD. The truth is, before any diagnosis can be assigned, you have to go through a complete process, so I can't do that," Dr. Phil says. "What I can talk about are the behaviors that I have observed firsthand, what I hear in the thinking process, and toward that end, I say there is a real lack of maturity, clearly. There is an inability to appreciate the consequences of the choices that are being made, and that comes with maturity. With maturity, you get where you can see around corners. You understand the gravity of the choices you make for somebody other than yourself. You recognize that you don't fill your void by bringing another human being into the world. Children should not be born with a job of fixing you, and so that, to me, is wrong thinking. And I think clearly there is a failure to embrace reality in favor of a more fantasy-based view of the world. There's a lack of focus. There's a lack of planning. Now, why? That would be a whole ‘nother question that would be born from the procedure of diagnosis. But I tell you what is going to happen: We are going to follow this closely. We are going to be your eyes and ears to make sure these 14 children are getting the best option that they can possibly get."

Dr. Phil describes a recent phone call he received from Nadya. "Just before I walked onto the stage to do this show, Nadya called me from the hospital," he says. "She sounded panicked. She admitted that she is a procrastinator and said, and I quote, ‘Reality is hitting me.' She said because the babies have been cared for by the Neonatal Intensive Care Unit (NICU), she feels like she's kind of been on a temporary vacation because all these nurses were doing such wonderful work. She said something that I found, actually, to be a positive. After the interview with me, she said, ‘I realized something. I realized that I hadn't cried in months, and that night, I couldn't stop crying.' She said, ‘I know I made a mistake, but I need people to know I'm human, and humans make mistakes. I need people to understand that I'm going to do everything I possibly can, including admitting that I need help and to become more real to people.'

"Now, here is what she was panicked about: She faxed me a list from the hospital that is several pages long, and it is labeled A Nursing Care Plan. And basically what she's saying is very soon, within a week, at least one of these babies is ready to come home and probably two or three. She said three of them are bottle feeding at this point. But this is a list of requirements that have to be met before they're willing to release these babies into her care."


The extensive list concerns housing and safety. "So basically I asked her, 'Is the hospital saying they will not release these babies until you can demonstrate that you have a safe, secure environment to take them home?' And she said, ‘That's exactly right. That's what they're saying.' And clearly, they don't have that at this point. She said their plan is to redo the home that they're in and try to bring it up to a standard that will meet the requirements," Dr. Phil says.