Time Out

Dr. Phil takes Jeremy backstage to the greenroom. He gets right down to business. "What's going on here?" he asks. 

"The only thing I know is, is that I have never, in my life, ever touched anyone of that age in a questionable sexual manner, not even to begin with my own daughter. I could never do that," he


Dr. Phil emphasizes that he has no prejudgment about Jeremy or Krista. "You know that you have had a lot of emotional challenges in your life. You say that you have a problem with rage. You say you have a problem with anxiety. You work in a highly stressful situation. You have trouble with boundaries. You get angry. You hit things," Dr. Phil points out. "If you've crossed a boundary without understanding the gravity of what you were doing at the time, tell me so we can fix the problem."

"Dr. Phil, to be very honest with you, the only thing that I can tell you is there is one crime that I have committed: I love my daughter. There's nothing that I've done," Jeremy says. "The only thing that I have that I should be knocked over the head for is the fact that while Kaylee was born, that was probably the biggest drug time of my life." At that time he was smoking marijuana.

"I believe that people who have nothing to hide, hide nothing," Dr. Phil says to Jeremy. "You're willing to be totally transparent here?"

"That's right," Jeremy says. "If I have ever done anything to her that in anyone's eyes is construed to be unacceptable, I need to go to jail, because I have a problem."

"Were you in a locked room with your daughter with her pants down?" Dr. Phil asks.

"Yes, I was," Jeremy replies.

"Were you doing anything inappropriate at that point?"

"No, I was not."

"Why was her vaginal area red?" Dr. Phil probes.

"'Cause she had a yeast infection because she wasn't properly cared for by her mother."

"Did you put birthday cake in her mouth with your tongue at that birthday party?"

After a long pause, Jeremy says, "I'm trying to think. Tongue, no. I'm not going to stick my tongue in my daughter's mouth. The only thing I can think of is I may have had cake on the side of my mouth and she may have tried to lick it off or something. That's the only thing that I can think of."

"Why did it take you so long to answer that question?" Dr. Phil inquires.

"I was trying to think," Jeremy answers.

"That doesn't seem to me like something that you would have to replay the event. You either did it or you didn't!" Dr. Phil says.

"I wish they had it on tape. Show me what I did," Jeremy says. "Not that I want videotapes everywhere, but if I did something that's inappropriate, damn it, tell me."

"You know whether you did or not," Dr. Phil points out. "Sticking you tongue in your daughter's mouth is not something you forget."

"Do you think that you have good judgment?" Dr. Phil asks.

"That's difficult to answer," Jeremy says.

When Jeremy started dating Krista, she was 14, and he was 21. He was convicted of contributing to the delinquency of a minor. "Is that good judgment?" Dr. Phil asks.

"No," Jeremy admits.

"If I set up an independent polygraph for you to take, will you take it?" Dr. Phil asks.

"I think, at this point, I would," Jeremy says. "I get nervous about that kind of stuff, but you know, hey. I passed it up before and the simple reason why is because a lie detector test is not permissible in court. If a lie detector test came back saying that I never touched Kaylee inappropriately in any way, shape or form, that's not going to change their opinion one bit."

"It might change mine," Dr. Phil says. "Will you take it, or will you not?"

"I'll do it for you," Jeremy says.

"It is not perfect, but I think it is in your best interest to do it if you are innocent," Dr. Phil says. "I don't think it's in your best interest to do it if you've got something to hide."

When Jeremy says that he needs to get back to work the next day, Dr. Phil says, "I'll get it done in your town."

"Oh, shoot, bring it on," Jeremy says. "I'm at the point that I'm not going to sit here and tell you a load of lies."

Dr. Phil asks Jeremy some final questions. "Were you molested as a child?"

"No," Jeremy replies.

"Have you been around anybody who has?"

Jeremy whispers the word "molested" as he ponders the question. "I don't think so," he finally says.

"If you have been inappropriate with her in any way, every day you let go by where she doesn't get the proper help, is costing her quality in her life, because if she needs that help, I will arrange it for her. I will get her top quality help as long as she needs it," Dr. Phil tells Jeremy.

Jeremy maintains his innocence. "The only thing I've done is I've loved her," he says through tears.

Dr. Phil visits with Krista. "Do you really believe he's molesting your daughter?" he asks.

"I really do. I didn't for a long time. I didn't know why Kaylee was saying those things and it made me suspicious," she says. "When CPS came to my house at 4:00 a.m. and told me that her labia was torn, and I knew she was there for 48 hours, I knew."

"I have a credibility problem with you," Dr. Phil tells her, noting her complaint that Child Protective Services was just blowing them off. "They assume the child is being victimized unt

il they can prove otherwise, because they'd rather have 10 false/positives, then leave one child unprotected who needed the protection. If they're telling you, ‘You need to quit calling here,' it's because they can't substantiate anything you're saying." Another credibility problem Dr. Phil has with Krista is that she denies knowing that she is reinforcing Kaylee's separation anxiety. "I don't know whether he has molested her or not, but you've got to know that you are reinforcing her saying you're doing it."

"I know you don't want him to have custody, but you are playing with fire here if you are falsely reporting this," Dr. Phil warns her. "If you get caught up in a parent alienation charge, they can terminate your parental rights like that."

Krista says she's aware of that. "I'm risking it because when we were in mediation, I told Jeremy I will happily give him 50 percent custody, where we'll split her. That's fine with me, if he could pass a lie detector test that we would pay for. He wouldn't take one, and that just proved to me even more," she explains. 

"You know what the worst tragedy in this would be? Is if she's being molested and we do not protect her," Dr. Phil says. "The second worst thing that could happen would be for her to be dragged through this, and you wind up losing your parental rights because of false allegations to try to get back at him."

"I don't have any reason to get back at him. We broke up on good terms," Krista says.

Dr. Phil informs Krista that Jeremy has agreed to take a lie detector test. "If he passes the lie detector test, what are you going to do?"

"I will apologize to him, definitely. I would still have questions as to why Kaylee says what she says. But I don't think he's going to pass," Krista says.

Dr. Phil turns to Jeremy and asks him to agree to one more thing. "It is not because I have made a conclusion on anything that's gone on here, it's because I have Kaylee's best interest at heart," he tells him. "I want you to agree to supervision when you are with her, until we get to the bottom of this, which will be very quickly. And if you're an open book, transparent, have nothing to hide, you'll tolerate this for at least a short period of time. Will you do that for me?"


"OK," Jeremy says.

He turns to Krista and says, "This is not an admission of guilt on his part. It is not a step back in his rights as a parent. It's just something he's doing with me as a favor. You cannot and will not use this in a legal proceeding going forward. Will you agree with that?"

"I agree," Krista says.

All parties agree to take a polygraph.