Tim is a former business associate of Phillip Garrido and had known him for years. He explains that Garrido once came to his store with a homemade device that he claimed could allow a person to hear someone else's thoughts. Tim says he tried out the box to humor Garrido. "I put the ear phones on, I listened very carefully, and I heard the ocean. I really couldn't hear anything," he says. Tim also says Garrido sometimes brought the two young girls with him, and they always stayed right by his side.
Ralph is a private investigator who was hired by Garrido in 2008 to contact six people who apparently signed declarations regarding his telepathic device. "He said what he wanted was to get these declarations independently verified," he says. Ralph says he seems to remember a declaration signed by Tim, but Tim says although his name is on one the declarations, it is not his signature.
Police are investigating whether Garrido was involved with some murders. Reporter Kate Thompson from KRON-TV in San Francisco gives an update on this story: "They just announced that they had been searching that property for four days, the police, FBI, the sheriff, and they say they haven't found any evidence that connects Garrido to those unsolved murders that they had been looking into. But there is a small bone fragment that they are still checking on," she says.
"You've been inside this compound?" Dr. Phil asks Kate.
"I've looked into this compound. I haven't gone on the property, but I have looked over the fence and seen the tent," she says. "You could see inside the tents: small beds, little crystals or crafts that the girls had been hanging on the side of the tents, hairspray, lotion " [signs] that people had been living in there for quite some time."
[AD]"You said it made your stomach drop when you saw it," Dr. Phil says.
"It did make my stomach drop. When I got over that fence, and you could see the property and see the tents, there's a lot of trash and debris all over the property. This wasn't a clean facility that they were living in. There are leaves, and empty pipes and things scattered all over, rust and dirt," she says. Kate says there is an old rusty swing set on the property as well, which clearly looks unsafe for children.
"What are the attitudes of the neighbors around there now? I hear that neighbors are getting death threats, people mad at them because they didn't turn this in, and they didn't see it?" Dr. Phil asks.
Kate says the small neighborhood of Antioch, California, has been thrown in the spotlight. Although some people are demanding money to speak with media, she says there's also a lot of guilt in the neighborhood. "Because they didn't recognize this, that this was going on right where they lived, they were driving past this home every day, they could peer into this person's yard, things are starting to go off, that they heard things, saw things that could've tipped them off but nobody picked up the phone and made a phone call."