Judy admits: "I have a problem with shoplifting. If we walked around my house, everything is stolen. I've stolen eyeglasses, toys, clocks, watches, sunglasses, pillows, phones, VCRs, DVD players and everything from the grocery store. I've stolen toasters, coffeemakers, cooking utensils.
Demonstrating how she'd steal something by putting it up her sleeve, she explains that she's been shoplifting since she was a teenager. "The problem kept growing. Shoplifting once a day and then twice a day. And then four times a day. It consumed my life. I think I really want to get caught. The next time I do it, I will go to jail."
"No," she answers. "I haven't gone to any malls since I've been here."
"If you did, would you shoplift?"
"I would be very tempted."
She explains that she has the money to buy what she steals. "I'm not doing this to survive. I came for help. If anybody can help me, you can."
Dr. Phil presses, "Do you really, really, really think it's wrong?"
"No. I justify everything. I got arrested two weeks ago," Judy says matter of factly.
"How'd you feel when they handcuffed you?"
"Nothing. I felt numb," she responds. "I forced myself to look in the mirror to try to make it real. But I was just disconnected."
"Do you think you're going to jail?"
"I know if I keep doing this I definitely will go to jail."
"Are you doing this in reaction to your father?" Dr. Phil asks.
Judy shares more of her history: "My dad was physically and emotionally abusive. I had to make my father love me but I never did to this day. He's still alive. He doesn't even talk to me. I know I'm not what he wanted because he didn't want another kid. I wasn't smart enough. I'm not good looking enough."
Dr. Phil affirms her pain. "He didn't help you at all — just filmed you."
Judy's eyes fill with tears. "He didn't care. And I don't know why it's still important to me because he's not worth it. I still haven't gotten over it," she says.
"Is he right to throw you aside?"
"He's controlling your life. And you understand the police won't give a damn about any of that. Do you want to go to jail?"
"Is there a part of you that wants to be punished like that?"
"I'm going to fight to stay out," she says.
Dr. Phil asks the other women, "Have you all noticed that she has two personalities? She has one when she talks about shoplifting, and then she has the other one." To Judy: "Why is that?"
"The shoplifting part depresses me and I'm not really that person," she explains.
"So who's controlling you?"
"My father. I've been disconnecting because I had to as a kid, from the abuse. He just beat the hell out of me all the time. What little kid needs to have the s**t beat out of them when they come home from school?"
"Did he hit you with his hand? Did he hit you with a belt? What did he hit you with?" Dr. Phil presses.
"Hands. He threw me downstairs, dragged me around by my hair. In front of people."
"How do you know?"
"Because nobody deserves that."
"If you could go back in time, and talk to little Judy, what would you say to her?"
"You're not bad. You're not ugly."
"Would you comfort her and care about her?"
"I'd pick her up and get her the hell out of there."
"What would you say when you were carrying her away?"
"'I love you, and I care about you, and I'm not going to let anybody hurt you.'"
"Why don't you give it to yourself now instead of trying to self-destruct by going to jail?"
"I didn't know how to."
"You'll never stop that until you decide you're taking your power back."
She tells them: "I'm taking my power back. I'm not going to let him rule me anymore. I'm a good friend, a good mother, a good grandma."
"Tell them what you need."
Dr. Phil continues: "Tell them: 'I don't want to go to jail.' ... Tell them why you're not going to steal anymore."
"I'm not going to jail," she says. "Because I'm worth everything I want to buy." Dr. Phil asks Judy about her upcoming court date, and if she's the same person now as she was when she stole. When she says she's changed, Dr. Phil asks, "How's that judge going to know? I've worked in the legal system for a long time. You need a lawyer and you need to stand up and fight for who you are. Justice will be served by your accountability. It won't be served by you sitting in a jail cell on the sidelines. If you believe you are worth having a life, if you believe that your father was wrong and you are not some piece of crap, you've got
"I will do that. I'm going to fight."
"Because I guarantee you, everyone here standing with you will show up there and testify on your behalf," Dr. Phil tells her.