John Ludwick first garnered media attention in 2017 when he claimed in a television interview that he’d been friends with Joran Van der Sloot, the primary suspect in the disappearance of Alabama teenager Natalee Holloway. Holloway vanished in 2005 while on a high school graduation trip and was never heard from again. Ludwick claimed Van der Sloot paid him in 2010 to dispose of Natalee Holloway’s remains.

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Emily Heistand says she met Ludwick through a mutual friend and a few months later he began telling her about his claimed role in covering up the missing girl’s disappearance.

“Did he tell you where Natalee’s remains were?” Dr. Phil asks Emily in a daytime exclusive airing Monday.

“He never told me ‘This is exactly it.’ He told me that if we were ever in Aruba and went in the national forest, he would be able to find them,” she replies, adding “But he also did tell me Joran taught him to never be honest – never tell the truth – to always, always lie. So, I feel like everything that ever came out of his mouth was a lie.”

Emily says she kept her distance from Ludwick after that but claims he began stalking her, in the hope of convincing her to become romantically involved with him.

Emily claims that After rejecting him multiple times, Ludwick ambushed her outside her home one morning this past March at knifepoint with the intention of kidnapping her. Moments later, she had broken free and he was mortally wounded.

How does Emily say she was able to wrestle the knife away from him?

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