John says he was always fascinated by serial killers but only the ones that collected body parts. He claims he became friendly with the convicted serial killer, Arthur Shawcross (also known as the Genesee River Killer) when the murderer contacted him after John sold some of Shawcross’s prison artwork online.

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“It became a very close friendship,” claims John, who refers to his association with Shawcross as a “brotherhood of ghouls.”

“We had a bond,” he claims.

When Dr. Phil says, “Shawcross is not a role model,” how does John respond?

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