Maia Szalavitz is a former drug user who says it took her several years of living with addiction before she was able to get clean. “I was very lucky in that I tried to kick by myself – failed multiple times – and then sought help,” she says.

Szalavitz, who is the author of “Undoing Drugs: The Untold Story of Harm Reduction and the Future of Addiction,” says she supports harm reduction programs and safe consumption sites that are aimed at helping individuals with drug dependency by reducing the number of drug-related deaths and connecting them to treatment.

On Wednesday’s episode of “Harm Reduction: Safe Space for Addicts to Use,” hear more from the author as well as California State Senator Scott Wiener (D), who says he has been working for several years to pass a bill to make harm reduction programs legal in the state.

And, Dr. Phil talks with an opponent of the harm reduction model, Michael Shellenberger, author of the book “San Fransicko: Why Progressives Ruin Cities,” who says harm reduction programs in the United States enable people to keep using illicit drugs while offering no meaningful consequences for the negative behaviors associated with addiction. Plus, hear from members of the Dr. Phil audience about their thoughts on harm reduction.

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