“Once you’re in the crosshairs of the criminal justice system, it is very hard to emerge unscathed,” says Justin Paperny, federal prison consultant and ethics speaker.

Paperny, who spent time in prison and now prepares others for their time behind bars, visits with Dr. Phil on this week’s Phil in the Blanks podcast to discuss the infamous college admissions cheating scandal involving celebrities and wealthy parents. Watch a preview in the video above, and tune in Tuesday, when Paperny, author of Lessons From Prison and Ethics in Motion, reveals what he believes is the motivation that caused these parents to cheat – and why he believes the defendants in the headline-making scandal are going to prison.

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