As a civil rights leader, Rachel Dolezal says she was widely disparaged as a “race-faker,” in 2015 when the world learned she was a genetically Caucasian woman of (mostly) European descent who many felt had been passing for Black.

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“Some White people say I’m creating White genocide. Other people accuse me of cultural appropriation,” she says when asked how her life has been affected since the news broke.

“This blew up into a big scandal. What is your ownership in it?” asks Dr. Phil during his one-on-one interview with Dolezal airing Monday.

“Well I think that as much as I’d like to take ownership for everything, I can’t because I didn’t actually start the narrative of, ‘she’s a liar. She’s a con. She’s a fraud..’ You know – I mean – I think that really is what blew it up,” responds Dolezal.

She says she hasn’t been able to find work since losing her job as an instructor of African Studies at a University in the aftermath of the scandal.