Tracey claims that microdosing Psilocybin, aka “magic mushrooms,” reduces anxiety and depression and is helping her to “rewire” her neural pathways, allowing her to change bad habits into better ones. She says she started the digital platform Moms on Mushrooms (M.O.M), so she could help mothers like herself experience the same happiness and creativity she feels while micro-dosing.

Debi, who co-founded Moms Against Drugs (M.A.D.) and Drug Epidemic Awareness Walk Across America, says she is “completely against psychedelics” like Psilocybin and argues that it isn’t a good idea for mothers to self-medicate in front of their kids.

“Any parent who uses any kind of drug, especially psychedelics, in front of their children is sending a message to their children, ‘This is OK,’” she says. Her son, Brett, died in 2018 at age 28 after she says he struggled with addiction for over a decade.

Hear more from both Tracey and Debi in the video above.

This episode of Dr. Phil, “‘Moms on Mushrooms’: A Growing Trend?” airs Thursday. And later, Dr. Phil talks with a former school teacher turned psychedelic educator who says microdosing has helped her to manage physical pain and other symptoms associated with fibromyalgia.

Check your local listing for airtimes.

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